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164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - joan (3rd Jul 2013 - 16:35:43) I understand that a notice has just gone up to say that 164 houses have planning permission at the Chicken Farm due to 'accelerated planning'. Does anyone know more about this as it is news to me

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - A. Ryan (3rd Jul 2013 - 19:48:36) There has been a lot of tree clearing on the chicken farm, and I did wonder what was going on.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - bdavies (4th Jul 2013 - 09:08:49) There is nothing on the EHDC planning application website. If it's not on there it surely cannot have been given any legal go ahead.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - A. Ryan (4th Jul 2013 - 09:33:06) Walked past the farm this morning but can not see any notice there. Where supposedly was the notice?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - bdavies (4th Jul 2013 - 09:35:36) It is on the SHLAA Included Sites list (LIP014 – Land at Chiltley Farm, 63 Chiltley Lane). www.easthants.gov.uk/.../Liphook+SHLAA+Sites LIP014 Land at Chiltley Farm, 63 Chiltley Lane, Liphook Greenfield Site 4.46 Hectares 164 Potential Housing Capacity Access may require improvements; existing buildings to be removed; surface water flood risk on part of site.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Jaybee (4th Jul 2013 - 12:18:30) Has far as I can understand this in not an application for development at this stage. The local authority is obliged to list sites for future development and the Chiltley lane site is one that could be developed. It has been listed as such for a number of years

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - bdavies (4th Jul 2013 - 13:20:02) seems to be a bit at odd with what Joan reported. If they are clearing trees without planning permission then they could be violating tree preservation orders. And who is they anyway?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Tim Laker (29th Dec 2013 - 18:24:46) Hello I used to live here with my mother and father from when I was born in 1966 until 1971 when we moved to East Hoathly in East Sussex. Dad used to play Hockey for Haselmere and Cricket for the local team. They both want to visit Chiltley Lane and the village so I am going to take them back there this Spring for a day out.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - H (30th Dec 2013 - 14:25:27) Do not think that any of the trees that have been cleared were under a tree protection?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Tim (12th Jan 2014 - 13:48:35) Given that the proposed site for development sits on an area at high risk of surface water flooding watermaps.environment-agency.gov.uk/... surely this development would mean there would be a risk of the railway line, houses to the north of the railway line and Haslemere Road all flooding? Is EHDC going to give the go ahead knowing this risk? Have they consulted South West Trains/Network Rail on the proposed development? There is a forthcoming consultation event on this (Saturday 18 January) but I don't know whether opposition to the proposed development will actually make any difference. It just seems like a case of paving over another greenfield site in Liphook and to hell with the consequences, be it risk of flooding or greater pressure still on local infrastructure/roads.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Karen (12th Jan 2014 - 14:30:30) Do you have more information on the meeting on 18th? Karen 18th Jan 11am to 4pm, Scout & Guide HQ, Millennium Hall

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Jeanette Kirby (18th Jan 2014 - 09:49:12) A reminder of the exhibition today starting at 11.00 in the Scouts Hall. Comments please about access routes, drainage, flooding issues, density and type of housing etc.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - joan (20th Jan 2014 - 12:34:31) Did anyone go to the exhibition put on by these developers on Saturday?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Jane Ives (20th Jan 2014 - 13:03:31) Joan I went along on Saturday. The plan is to build approximately 110 houses on the chicken farm site with access via the Berg estate through Willow Gardens. The developers are putting a website up, I think from tomorrow, which can be found at www.chiltleyfarmliphook.info This will contain all the info from the exhibition for anyone who couldn't attend.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - joan (20th Jan 2014 - 13:34:49) Thanks Jane I lookeded at their website but it does not appear to be active yet. It worries me that their cars will mostly have to go over the bridge crossing the railway line by the station to get into town. This is extremely concerning as I and number of others have found this bridge, which is constricted with bad visibility, to be quite a hazard, having had my wing mirror knocked off TWICE by cars coming the other way having move into the middle of the road. This bridge is almost a humped back bridge and you do not see cars approaching until the very last moment and then they are right on top of you and veering towards the middle of the bridge because it is so narrow. At the very least they should widen the bridge, as this is the shortest way into town. I do. however, pity the people living on the Berg estate as their tranquility will be lost.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Jane Ives (20th Jan 2014 - 14:33:12) Joan There was an interesting statistic on display at the exhibition with regards to traffic. The developers estimate that the housing will lead to an additional 60 traffic movements per hour in peak time heading north over the railway line and out of the village. Now this can only mean that this traffic will be heading through the Square. Not a good prospect! Add that to the Bohunt Manor housing which would also involve more cars through the Square....doesn't bear thinking about! Jane

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - joan (20th Jan 2014 - 16:33:02) thanks Jane, the thing here is that the bridge will become very unsafe for pedestrians especially ...we can always replace wing mirrors but, God forbid, what if a child is walking across the bridge at the same time as two cars colliding from different directions in the middle of the bridge, even though there is an alternative footpath for pedestrian, I have often seen pedestrians walking on the west side.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - A. Ryan (20th Jan 2014 - 19:28:32) The majority of people that I spoke to were opposed to this development. I would think the estimation of 60 cars could be well under the amount that will actually be using the road through the Berg. This area is also low lying and the potential for flooding will be a possibility, but when asked there did not seem to be any answers to that problem. Many felt the chicken farm having been there so long was preferable even with their lorries. There was rather a scaremongering scenario of a multitude of extra lorries if houses were not built . We all know we will have to have more houses built here, we have to accept that. We have the station, and we have the A3 on our doorstep but this development will add nothing to Liphook Many now believe the Bohunt development would be preferable instead of squashing so many houses into such a small area.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - sjenner (21st Jan 2014 - 07:17:36) Liphook already has its allocated quota of housing with Loseley Farm, the Silent Garden and so on. Neither the chicken farm nor Bohunt are required as a result and most people do not support either, especially the Bohunt development which encroaches on the SDNP. Both will just add unnacceptable extra volumes of traffic to what we already have to endure, thus compounding the misery.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - linda (21st Jan 2014 - 13:27:44) Has the person who owns this site actually sold the land to the house development [company]?.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Val Gaskin (22nd Jan 2014 - 12:20:18) A message to Tim Laker. Hi Tim, During your time at the chicken farm you must have seen some changes. We wonder if you have any interesting photographs, documents, records etc. which may be of use to us in our Archive. Our village is changing and we definitely need to continue to record its history. Please contact The Liphook Heritage Centre, 01428 727275 or email liphookheritage@btconnect.org.uk or via our website www.liphookheritage.org.uk

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - dawn (24th Jan 2014 - 17:39:23) I think all residents living in and around Liphook realise that the village is ‘full’. The infrastructure does not cope with the current status quo – so to add hundreds of houses into the mix is going to cause misery on the roads and essential services such as doctors, dentists, schools, sewers and drainage etc. The problem is that we have a settlement boundary drawn up – well..imposed upon really…and any development within the boundary of that red line is automatically looked on favourably. I am sure that may people who have had fabulous views of countryside and relative peace and quiet will be heart broken when their entire aspect is planned to alter dramatically. However, the problem with the planning system is that things such as the loss of view enjoyed for years is not a valid reason to object, neither is the drop in value of your freehold when you no longer live in the middle of the countryside but next to an ugly cheek-to jowl shoe box estate. In addition, one of the travesties is that the horrendous problems caused by car ownership and the lack of storage for said cars within the curtilage of each house leaves a legacy of parking problems and access difficulties for fire engines. If developers would build pretty houses with spaces between, with garages big enough to park cars in, and driveways big enough for the cars of the other family members, and proper double width roads that two lorries can pass in alternate directions I suspect that there would not be such outspoken objection. Instead we get hundreds of shoeboxes with only the width of a wheelie-bin each side with roads only a few metres wide that grind to a halt if a lorry has to manoeuvre around parked cars, with bedrooms smaller than an actual bed, family lounge rooms big enough for two chairs but no sofa, and a garden the length of a couple of sun beds. It is all very well having ‘minimum’ standards – but unfortunately that minimum becomes the industry standard for – how small can we get away with and still be legal. The minimum becomes the lowest denominator to which all developers sink. They don’t care – after all – they’re not going to live there. I know that a number of written objections have been received. Well done. You should continue to do this. However – you can ONLY object for valid ‘planning’ reasons. Nothing else – however emotional and upsetting the build will be for you – can be considered. So if you are going to write, be sure to mention: [where relevant] Overshadowing or Loss of light Overlooking or loss of privacy Visual amenity (but not loss of private view) Adequacy of parking/loading/turning Highway safety Traffic generation Noise and disturbance resulting from use Loss of trees Effect on listed building and conservation area Layout and density of building Design, appearance and materials Landscaping Road access Disabled persons' access Nature conservation Archaeology The bad news of course is that if it is rejected, the appeal goes to the government body that almost 100% of the time approves it – due to lack of housing in the South East.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - A. Ryan (24th Jan 2014 - 21:08:22) Yes Dawn, exactly what we did in Devils Lane, so obviously the NO voters do not stand a chance. Excessive traffic, damaged roads, well even more will use the lanes and cause more damage.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Andrew (26th Jan 2014 - 11:16:26) Perhaps we should write to our local MP quoting the surface water flooding (very visible at this time) as well as the loss of privacy to the houses on the north of the railway (including myself). And we should also remind all councillors that elections following the go ahead of this would be useful for removing them from office. Oh and 110 houses = 220 cars in the south east and that does not include new teenage drivers who will add to that. www.writetothem.com/who

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - dawn (27th Jan 2014 - 11:42:27) Andrew, I assume you mean County and District councillors? Apart from having to give a cursory glance to Parish Councils objections, the upper levels still approve the most monstrous plans without local approval. The Parish have no real power. So yes, write to all the EHDC councillors on the planning committee and write to your County Councillor too.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Tim (27th Jan 2014 - 14:22:12) Following on from comments above re surface water flooding risk, both the Environment Agency and Network Rail can and do object to planning applications where there is a serious risk of flooding. I don't know at what stage of the planning process they would need to be consulted here, but I don't imagine it would be in either of their interests to support this application.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - pete (27th Jan 2014 - 14:35:56) I must say that I find the implicit threat by these developers in their exhibition material appalling and in fact it is the tactic of a bully. They hint at scope for increased chicken breeding etc and the attendant HGV traffic that this would bring - disgusting way to go about things I would say. Lets call their bluff and let them increase their chicken farming. It would save importing most of our chicken meat from Thailand and Romania etc. And what exactly are they offering the community I wonder other than their executive homes

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - dawn (27th Jan 2014 - 16:10:48) Out of interest, are the chickens currently flooded out?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Joan (14th Feb 2014 - 18:40:28) just been told that the boom half of the chicken farm along the rail embankment is like a lake. How on earth could they build here as it will only create more flooding elsewhere

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - A. Ryan (19th Feb 2014 - 19:48:07) Lots of activity over the last few days at Chiltley Farm, with what appears to be ground or soil investigations. I would imagine this has to do with low lying ground and flooding in this area. A company called Hydrock on site. Also passed an Environmental scientist van heading that way today, so things are really hotting up there and its nothing to do with Kentucky.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Christine W (20th Feb 2014 - 15:48:36) It will always be known as the chicken farm so I think Kentucky Drive is a good idea. What about Rhode Island Way? Other suggestions?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Andy (20th Feb 2014 - 17:05:14) Legbar Lane? Coop Crescent?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - dave (21st Feb 2014 - 17:41:08) Leghorn i say! Leghorn way!

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - liz (24th Feb 2014 - 08:22:44) The Battery?

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Michael Farrant (4th Mar 2014 - 21:03:44) might be worth a look planningpublicaccess.easthants.gov.uk/...

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - joan (6th Mar 2014 - 15:48:54) Michael, thank you for this link which is interesting. I think that it is worth everyone clicking on the link Michael has shown just above me. Also, I mentioned the danger of the bridge some time ago in the the very first entry and once again, just this past weekend, i witnessed two cars clipping each other as they passed whilst go over the bridge. One driver stopped and pulled over to the side , but the other sped on. I was walking and was able to witness this and it really emphasises my point about the dangers of extra traffic from the chicken farm coming into the village via this route, which is very likely, as it is the shortest route.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Jaybee (16th Jan 2015 - 14:04:13) NOTICE OF REFUSAL: 22789/006 Proposal: Residential development comprising 100 dwellings and associated public open space following change of use of land and demolition of existing buildings (as amended by additional information received 30/9/2014) Site Address: Poultry Farm, Chiltley Lane, Liphook, GU30 7HY (Bramshott/Liphook Parish)

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Mandy (16th Jan 2015 - 16:05:21) Hooray! Well done! I am so pleased that this decision was made. It is so sensible. The land is too far out of Liphook to make it a practical and viable proposition. Thank you and well done to the local action group who I know put in a lot of work going through all the applications, reading every single document put forward and seeking advice. Your hard work has paid off!

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Kevin Jackson (16th Jan 2015 - 17:05:48) Yes hooray - it never was a suitable site - I cannot think what the Parish Councillors were thinking of when they suggested it as a suitable site. It just demonstrates their complete lack of knowledge of the planning process and its guidelines. I believe there are training courses in planning available.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - stacey (17th Jan 2015 - 00:43:16) I am at a loss to understand why the previous poster thinks that the chiltley lane site is "too far out of Liphook" it borders the hallowed Berg estate, which apparently is a sought after location, so by that premise, the whole estate of houses built on the site of a former farm is in another village is it? The developer will probably appeal as they all do. I do not believe either, that the Parish Councill suggested it as a site for development, they just made comments about the application, they do not determine any applications. The District Council have spent a lot of money on training their Councillors, as they were refusing too many applications for non planning reasons.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Kevin Jackson (17th Jan 2015 - 12:38:33) I think the previous poster who said that the Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm site is too far out of Liphook is correct and it is also on the wrong side of Liphook for access to the village. Neither of the accesses to the site ie The Berg or Chiltley Lane are suitable. The Berg is not suitable because it is an established housing estate and to make it into a main access for 175 houses is unacceptable. If one has bought a house on a main road, near a school or a public house one expects the traffic that will undoubtedly be generated but not if you have bought a house on a quiet housing estate with roads that only serve that estate. Chiltley Lane is not a viable access either for obvious reasons. I said in my post that I could not think what the Parish Councillors were thinking of when they suggested it as a suitable site because when they considered the application their comment was that "it was their preferred site for development". Of course the Parish Council do not decide the outcome of applications, but their comments do count with EHDC if they are constructive and deal only with planning guidelines. Most importantly this application was refused by delegated powers, it was not considered viable enough to come to committee.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Dawn Hoskins (3rd Feb 2015 - 15:57:19) Time and again, I have heard that ‘The Parish Council’ ‘want’ or are ‘in favour’ this site. That is complete nonsense spoken by people who simply do not understand the planning constraints that councillors must work under. In areas which are inside an area of sustainable development (Liphook) there is an automatic presumption to build. This is not something that is dreamed up by Parish Councillors, but a policy from Central Government. The presumption to build is rebuttable only if certain (but few) objections can be matched to the application. If there is no matching objection that can be made to stick – then the Parish council have no choice. They are entirely hamstrung by policy. They can’t object for the sake of objecting. It would be great if there was a box to tick on the objections list that said: Liphook is full; Liphook does not have the infrastructure to cope……etc. It doesn't, it can’t and it won’t. You may not like, or understand these provisions, but to put in simple terms, if the answer is yes (to the questions listed below) -you can’t object. All the Parish Council has the power to do is place ‘Conditions’ on the application to cover the concerns that have. Which they did do. The Conditions placed are that ‘developer contributions’ must pay for the required improvements to the Midhurst Road railway bridge and the safety issues thereon; that ‘Public Open Space’ must be provided in the form of allotments; that the developer remove all the Japanese Knotweed; that the developer must try to provide additional on-site parking spaces. I have looked with great interest at this as it has rolled on with ill-informed allegations being made against the Parish Council that they are not acting in the Parishioners best interests etc – but – please at least try to understand what the rules are before you complain that they have been broken. If you are dealt a hand full of bad cards all you can do is play the best you have – even though it is still a low scorer! We, as parish, and whether we like it or not are going to have hundreds of homes thrust upon us, because central government said so (Not because our Parish Councillors are doing a bad job). So all the Parish can do is look at all the cards in the rubbish hand they have been dealt by the various developers and decide which is the least bad. Is this an area of sustainable settlement? Yes Does the site have adequate access? Yes Does the application provide adequate car parking provision. Yes Have Hampshire County council approved road access? Yes Is the site outside of a registered flood zone? Yes Does the number of affordable homes match the number of private residences? Yes Is the application accord with current housing allocation needs? Yes Is the application high, medium or low density compared to surrounding areas? Low Does the application accord with the National Planning Framework guidelines? Yes Can the Parish Council object to this proposal under the planning rules..........No What can you do about it? Write to your member of Parliament, write to head of EHDC, attend planning meetings at Penns Place. You can campaign against the rules, but slagging off the Parish Council is wrong, misguided, unwarranted and just plain silly. It's like shooting the messenger because you don't like the message! Learn what the rules are - then protest to the rule makers.

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Amanda Beynon (17th Jul 2015 - 06:33:44) So the appeal is in! (No surprise) I just don't understand how, after a refusal for the 164 planned houses this can happen, if this site has already been turned down as unsuitable and unsustainable what changed? Did the lane suddenly become a much larger road? Did the roads and drains on the Berg estate magically become stronger and therefore more able to carry the weight of the hundreds of lorries that will go through it? I hope that this appeal is turned down, I am not against houses being built but the size of this site and the access makes it a poor choice for everyone who lives in Liphook. Amanda Beynon

Re: 164 Houses to be built at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm - Val (17th Jul 2015 - 16:14:46) Any applicant can go to appeal if their application to EHDC has been turned down however robust are the reasons for refusal. Sometimes the appeal succeeds as the decision lie solely with the Inspector. He will make his decision as he sees fit - let's hope he reads all the history and makes a careful study of the reasons for refusal.

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