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car verses horse and carriage - wendy (7th Jun 2013 - 19:14:16) Have just been told, by my son who witnessed it, about an accident involving the horse and carriage that drive through the village on a regular bases. If anybody knows how the boys and the horse are I would be most grateful if you could let me know. Many thanks

Re: car verses horse and carriage - (11th Jun 2013 - 12:09:16) Hi They are in the houses at the end of griggs green end of longmoor road that leads up the hill queens Road

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Jay W (11th Jun 2013 - 13:00:51) I think Wendy was asking for confirmation that the boys and the horse were ok after the incident.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - laura (11th Jun 2013 - 13:33:17) I heard it was a girl streering the horse. Apparently they scratched the side a car but thats all.. Not sure how true that is

Re: car verses horse and carriage - liz (11th Jun 2013 - 13:33:35) Let's certainly hope all are OK - but this has been an accident waiting to happen.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - sb (11th Jun 2013 - 18:05:44) I seen this happen whilst driving back into liphook on friday. the car the horse crashed into looked like a total write off. it was very scary having a horse running down the london road a full speed. (just missing my car!) the kids looked fine the car looked a total mess the lady owner of the car looked quite shook up and distressed. not a pleasant thing to see.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - mary (11th Jun 2013 - 18:46:17) FYI the boys are fine

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Lizzy (11th Jun 2013 - 18:59:42) This was always going to end in a disaster, the pony and trap go at such speed. I have seen it at peak times on the roundabout, very scary. It also seems to travel around Station Road, Why ?Some one will end up being killed. I would assume that the trap is also not covered by insurance, so that could be prove to be expensive. It also seems to ridden by children, they would not be allowed behind a car at that age and also to expect a horse to deal with the horrendous traffic seems unfair. As to why they should be in the centre of the village seems odd, not the sort of place to see a pony and trap.There are lovely places to take a pony and trap but around Liphook is not one. Glad nobody was hurt. Hope the horse was okay.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Jay W (11th Jun 2013 - 19:30:41) Thanks mary, glad the boys are ok, hope the horse is as well and the car driver too of course, those are the really important things.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Jan Roles (11th Jun 2013 - 19:52:06) I understand the horse was taken to LEH and apart from badly lacerated legs was not seriously hurt.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - wendy (11th Jun 2013 - 21:26:49) Thanks for all the comments. Am hoping that the boys/girls and horse are ok as suggested.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - irene (12th Jun 2013 - 08:47:42) while i am glad no one was hurt the horse and trap races up headley road at a dangerous speed not stopping for traffic

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Richard (12th Jun 2013 - 18:59:43) I have cycled behind this horse and trap on more than one occasion, and its speed did not exceed more than 13 miles an hour, apart from a brief moment when it got to 15 mph. Hardly fast (except perhaps for a horse). By comparison, cars do 30+ mph through their while the drivers talk on their phones/ignore traffic signs/etc. Which one is worse? I think it helps to remind us that Liphook is still a village and perhaps we could all do with slowing down a bit and appreciate life more.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Gilly (12th Jun 2013 - 19:33:49) I have witnessed the pony and trap on a number of occasions and believe me it does get up to greater speeds than that!. The centre of Liphook is not designed for horses anymore. The traffic should be going 20 mph or less through the centre of the village and I think most would be foolhardy talking on their phones while trying to navigate through the roundabouts. Most of the time I crawl through, with the volume of traffic. Gone are the days of Liphook being a small village I am afraid ,and with the possibility of the new development at Bohunt Manor traffic can only get worse. I feel sorry for the ponies as it cannot be pleasant for them . Let's hope if it happens again it's not one of the large lorries that blight our village.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - tony (12th Jun 2013 - 19:54:25) It's a bit unusual, but that doesn't make it wrong. I think it's nice, I always give the lads a wave, but I suspect maybe it wouldn't upset 'some people' so much if it was a couple of higher social class kids riding expensive thoroughbreds! Hope they're insured and ok.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Rob (14th Jun 2013 - 22:14:16) Its nothing to do with the class of the children! It's a bit different when people are riding horses on the road as opposed to a horse and trap which is far more like a car. The point is these children are much too young to be driving a car so a horse and trap should be treated much the same. They do move pretty quick at times and with children with little driving sense or knowledge of the rules of the road that can be pretty dangerous for the children, horse and other people on the road or even people on the pavement! I've seen these children before and thought (clearly like other people) that someone is going to get hurt. It's good nobody did but hopefully they will take this as a lesson and leave driving to people with licenses.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - David (17th Jun 2013 - 22:37:43) These horses are well trained and behaved, but what scares these animals is careless drivers which speed past, been horns and sware out the window, liphook is an old village which horses were there before cars, you will start to see alot more horses on the roads of liphook in the near future, so be patient otherwise there will be alot more accidents. Get your noses out of your arses and moan about the drunks & druggies in the village.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Janet (17th Jun 2013 - 22:42:45) For all the people who disagree, I think it's lovely to see children driving horses around the village, who I have spoken to an couple of times and are very polite. If these children where hanging around in a park causing trouble then I could understand for negative comments. I have witnessed an coupe of occasions were cars have beeped and shouted abuse at the children what is wrong they would not do if it was a horse and rider. And as for the horse going over 20 mph it might get up to that going down hill! Hope they were all ok.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Valerie (2nd Jul 2013 - 13:42:24) To all those who wrote in support of this very dangerous pastime, namely Richard, Tony, David and Janet, all I would say is this. Your comments are ill advised, at best naive and at worst downright stupid. I have just returned from Station Road. I was parked opposite the Cancer Research shop, stationery, about to indicate in order to pull out, when a pony and trap came trotting up behind me, fast, out of control and swerved as it reached my car. How it missed me I don’t know. The pony looked terrified, the youngsters driving it shouted at it and it careered off down the road. Had it hit me there would have been nothing I could have done and I am still shaking. I feel so sorry for the pony as it was obviously frightened and spooked and it rather begs the question – do they have insurance? although this would not lessen the seriousness if an accident had occurred. One day there will be another serious accident and this has nothing to do with cars driving fast. My car was stationery!! Think on Richard, Tony, David and Janet. How would you feel if this had happened to you?

Re: car verses horse and carriage - liz (2nd Jul 2013 - 14:27:41) It's not the horse and cart that are the problem, it's the speed at which it is driven and the lack of skill of the drivers. Horses may have been there before cars but, like it or not, Liphook is now very busy with traffic and everyone needs to take care.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Gilly (2nd Jul 2013 - 16:49:23) There is no thought given to the ponies as they would not drive them through Liphook if they did. There are many horse owners around the area but all have to behave in a way that does not cause problem to other road users, themselves or their horses. In this day and age long gone are the chances to use animals to get about, I am afraid the motor car is king whether we like it or not. I should imagine there is no insurance so if an accident occurs what would happen? Of course if a car causes the accident I am sure they would want a pay out.... This is bound to end badly I am afraid. If the trap was being ridden by youngsters should they not have been in school? Some of the people replying on here have got a personal motive to want to allow pony and traps on the road, and this also seems to be a problem nationwide.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - tony (2nd Jul 2013 - 18:52:50) Valerie, I have no involvement with these folk, but, whilst you are entitled to your opinions, so am I. If I happen to enjoy seeing a pony and trap being driven around a rural village, then so be it. If anyone thinks it's the biggest risk they face in life, then maybe they shouldn't even get out of bed in the morning, let alone drive a dangerous car (that's over 2000 killed by cars in Britain each year, over 20.000 seriously injured and another 200,000 or so with lesser injuries). I wouldn't mind betting that if I looked up the numbers killed by pony and traps it would be nil. And even in an accident I'd bet the injuries would be lesser. And I'll bet it's better for the environment AND they're having a lot more fun! I'll also bet they don't pay nearly 70% tax on their fuel, fuelling global wars over the black stuff, cause the dear old planet to suffocate or drive at 80mph down our country lanes in Range Rover sports vehicles whilst chatting on the phone to their hairdresser about the next appointment for bleach blonde highlights. (yes ok they look good, but not when everyone has them) In short, if I choose to support them it's because I have given it some thought and decided that I like what I see and there should be space for the quirky as well as the 'in a rush Mr BMW man living on his Barratt's toy town estate, get out of my way I have photocopiers to sell' or my god before we know it, we'll all be like that and we'll all be saying "I saw someone in a pony and trap on our roads, eugh!" That said, I 100% support the insurance requirement. I have no idea whether it's a legal requirement, but I think it would be wise to have.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Richard (2nd Jul 2013 - 20:39:51) Valerie, Thank you for your opinion on my opinion. When I last checked I was authorised to have one. I am sure you are an entirely law abiding car driver who never exceeds the speed limit by 1 mph. Always drives with both hands on the wheel and will only ever remove a hand for necessary control functions. Always drives in suitable shoes, never drives while feeling tired, or unwell, never gets distracted while driving, drives with the radio off and never looks at any passing scenery. For the rest of us though, my view is the pony and trap is not what worries me when cycling through the village with my daughter. It is the idiot on the car phone who won't give her space, or won't respect her right of way, etc.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - liz (3rd Jul 2013 - 08:38:32) Tony I would love to see a pony and trap being driven through the village.... but sensibly, by people who know what they are doing and who give due consideration to their own (and their pony's) safety and that of other road users.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Madge (3rd Jul 2013 - 10:07:01) The issue here is that Liphook is not really pony and trap friendly. We do not have one long high street, to trot around, but a collection of roundabouts that are a problem at the best of times. Both areas, Station Road and the center of Liphook are incredibly busy and also have huge lorries going through . not conducive to ponies. This would not have been a problem fifty years ago, but it is now far too dangerous. To Tony I hate to dispel the myth but most of the families have a string of vehicles including gas guzzlers, and lorries. and seem to change them in rapid succession. As to insurance well that is another matter, and one which I am sure will crop up sooner or later. As was stated by a previous poster, should not the youngsters have been in school then this would not have occurred.

Re: car verses horse and carriage - Valeries (6th Jul 2013 - 15:35:30) To Tony I would say I do not know why he should start his post with “I have no involvement with these folk” because I never implied that he had. I am not criticising his enjoyment of seeing a pony and trap being driven round Liphook, but I presume, maybe erroneously, that he would not enjoy seeing a pony colliding with a car, crushing the bonnet, freeing itself from the cart in its desperation and galloping up the A3, as happened a few weeks ago at the junction of Tower Road and London Road. I wonder if the lady in that car has recovered and whether she has been reimbursed for the considerable damage to her car. To Richard I would say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and detracts from any discussion and I hope for his sake that when he is cycling round the village with his daughter he does not encounter an “out of control” pony and trap being driven far too fast. It is not a pleasant experience even if no accident takes place. The only other point I would make is this. Even if you don’t care about people and property, then spare a thought for these poor ponies/horses. They are being driven at a racing trot on a hard metalled road which causes irreversible damage to their legs. I am a horse owner and I know that racing or jumping on hard ground is very, very detrimental to horses/ponies’ tendons and ligaments. That is why racecourses (including those courses for trotting ponies) and showground surfaces are prepared so that the legs of horses and ponies are protected. Any responsible owner of horses and ponies would never race on hard ground. I entirely endorse the comments made by Liz and Madge and I conclude this post by saying it would be great to see a pony and trap or horse and trap meandering through the lanes of Liphook with the driver in control.

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