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Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (19th Mar 2013 - 20:14:11) Just recieved a phone call from a friend,telling me that my son,along with his mate,both 10years old,walking to cubs,were abused by some of Liphooks finest yobs ,phrases like 'were going to get you' also 'were going to kill you' were screamed at them as drove past in their car,both boys were petrified! Can someone please come up with a reason for this type of behaviour,perhaps they were bored, maybe they need a youth club or a new game for their X-Box or maybe their worried their benefit is not enough. When l was younger l only had a bike and a football,but the one thing we were brought up to do was respect people.Sadly those days have gone. Personally l hope something nasty happens to them,the world will not miss these d--ks Can I recommend you report this to the police on 101!

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (20th Mar 2013 - 07:17:17) Police have been alerted!

Re: Liphooks Finest - Keith Thomas (20th Mar 2013 - 08:40:58) Any info on car colour or make?

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jackie (20th Mar 2013 - 09:29:56) Just when children are given a bit of trust going out with friends some idiot has to frighten the living daylights out of them. I hope the "big boys" get what they deserve.

Re: Liphooks Finest - SMc (20th Mar 2013 - 12:23:49) My elsest who is 11 wanted to ride his bike to scouts and back but was scared when a group of boys started following him. How much of it was built up in his mind I don't know but at his age he should feel able to take the 10 minute ride without feeling threatened.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (20th Mar 2013 - 12:59:59) The car be driven by these scum,was a Renault Clio,light colour,playing very loud music!

Re: Liphooks Finest - matt (20th Mar 2013 - 15:09:31) Jeremy, What's happened is upsetting. If it's any comfort this has happened to me (an adult in his 30's) so I doubt the lads were targeting your son and merely thought (falsely) that it was funny. I don't let these things worry me but as I said I'm not 10 anymore and have faced worse elsewhere, Liphook is safe by comparison and you may find the lads in Mum's Clio are not from the village and we're just passing through.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Paul (20th Mar 2013 - 18:59:28) The real problem is a lack of the law to punish hard, abuse to fellow young people. Bring in a form of national service, and they will change their outlook.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (21st Mar 2013 - 07:22:21) Matt I do not care if they thought it was funny or not,they targeted two 10 year olds walking to Cubs,left them petrified. In my book there is no excuse for this,age does not come into it, they should no right from wrong! Also we have a good idea who they are, we have identified the car,with registration, and guess what Matt it looks like they come from Liphook. Just remember Liverpool twenty odd years ago, they were 2 lads out having fun!

Re: Liphooks Finest - tony (21st Mar 2013 - 08:53:18) Jeremy, you asked someone to come up with an explanation for this kind of horrible behaviour. We did a whole lot of stupid stuff, often illegal and nothing I would ever consider now! Nothing like that, thankfully, but I guess shouting out stuff when 'off your face' with your mates seems like a bit of harmless fun at the time but they definitely went too far even for teens out with their first real car, some funny coloured pills and a few beers. If caught I would suggest a heartfelt apology to the boys and an understanding of how it upset and scared them is the best long term solution for all concerned (especially if this is the first time they've done it, maybe not if it's a habit). As for the boys, this kind of stuff usually stands you in good stead later on in life, even though it doesn't necessarily seem that way at the time(feel free to correct me on this, I'm only going from personal experience). Finally, it does need to be nipped in the bud just in case these blokes go on from there to actual violence, which is probably unlikely unless they're real big time idiots.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Dave (21st Mar 2013 - 09:25:24) Tony You sound stupid enough to be a magistrate. Just let them say sorry, laugh in your face, and carry on as before.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jane I (21st Mar 2013 - 10:21:58) I'm all for youths having to face their victims when they have carried out stupid, mindless acts like this, otherwise they never really get to see the results of their actions. When I lived in Guildford years ago, we were constantly bothered by students from the university walking home to their digs along our road and causing damage to our cars - pulling off windscreen wipers, letting down tires, shouting, singing, generally being really annoying etc etc. A lad got caught by the police jumping from car roof to car roof. The police called me and said that he was given a warning but had to go round and personally apologise to all his victims. The poor lad was quaking in his boots when he stood on my doorstep and I suspect he didn't commit any crimes again. He also had to pay for all the damage he caused and his poor dad had to phone me and sort all of that out. In this particular case, if these 2 young lads could explain to the older lads how this made them feel ie terrified, I am sure it would have some impact. I'm absolutely convinced someone will now shoot me down in flames...but let's keep the debate friendly :-)

Re: Liphooks Finest - tony (21st Mar 2013 - 11:25:58) Dave, Let anyone with an appreciation of context and prose decide who is stupid... If I was a magistrate I'd be a tough old b****d but I also think I'd like to give teenagers a break, not scot free, but a chance to say sorry and a warning for a crime that isn't exactly the crime of the century. In context, if they had a record, that would proscribe such a course of action, similarly if they reoffended. I remember getting a break or two for idiotic stuff at that age and honestly, I wouldn't have had the career I have without it. So I can't be too hypocritical, without knowing these people I can't say anything definite, but that depends on them, doesn't it.

Re: Liphooks Finest - bdavies (21st Mar 2013 - 11:50:46) Jane, You make a valid point. But I think that you would be less benign in your reaction should your own children have been subjected to such mindless and cruel behaviour. Let's face it these youths exposed innocent children to some terrible threats and no matter how much adults would like to discover the best in all people, as a parent one's natural instinct is to demand more serious retribution. An unreserved apology is required of course but in conjunction with a more severe punishment not instead of. Whoever these youths are they are obviously old enough to know better!

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (21st Mar 2013 - 13:05:20) Jayne Sorry l just do not get it,there is no way l would want my son within 10ft of these yobs! I'm 54 years old,went to Woolmer Hill,if you stepped out of line,slipper,if you really stepped out of line the cane,then a clip round the ear from my Dad when l got home! The trouble is were a country of bloody do gooders who see no wrong in anybody! Well you can shove it as far as i'm concerned,my son was scared stiff,as a parent l will not put up with this happening to any of my children,l do not need a apology from these boys,l would like to see a punishment that maybe would start to put a stop to this anti-social behaviour!

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jane (21st Mar 2013 - 13:15:21) Tending to agree with Tony here...I think teenagers do deserve a break (but not if they have committed a serious crime). But this sort of behaviour is totally mindless. It would be a shame to give them a criminal record that could affect the whole of their lives...I would far rather see them publicly named and shamed and having to make up for their wrong doing in some way. BDavies...I also see your point about if it was my children. You're right...I would absolutely want severe consequences but that's because my emotions come into play - not necessarily when I am thinking at my most rational!

Re: Liphooks Finest - J (21st Mar 2013 - 13:18:55) Bring back National Service.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jane (21st Mar 2013 - 14:36:11) Jeremy, the problem is what is a suitable punishment for hanging out of a car window shouting at a couple of youngsters? What I would like to see happening is for these yobs to gain an appreciation of what they are doing so they don't do it again. I suspect that a hard punishment would only serve to make their behaviour worse. The flip side of this is that we are all so protective about our children these days as we hear so many horror stories of what can happen, and I include myself in this. BUT we can also all look back and remember incidents such as this happening to us as kids (I certainly can). At the time you are terrified but it is a horrible part of growing up unfortunately and we need to teach our children to understand what is real danger and how to help themselves. I am not trying to belittle what happened to your son, as I would be equally as upset as you if it happened to my son, but he does need to understand that the chances are this wasn't personal and I suspect was very much an idle threat aimed at frightening him. I don't believe the teenagers we have these days are vastly different from the teenagers we had 20 or 30 years ago - some are good, some are bad.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (21st Mar 2013 - 15:44:19) Jayne They actually stopped the car and called them over,l know their not all the same,and believe me l was no angel,but l never bullied kids half my age. Enough said,lets move on,let the police sort it out,but l will not forget!

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jane (21st Mar 2013 - 15:52:57) Jeremy, I'm glad you have identified these youths, and I hope the police do something that will make your son feel better about what has happened to him. I hope he isn't scared to go out in and around Liphook as I'm sure these things don't happen very often, and I guess he was just very unlucky that it happened to him.

Re: Liphooks Finest - jaybee (21st Mar 2013 - 16:10:08) Jeremy I feel that in the heat of the moment you have over reacted. As far as I understand you were not there and you only have other peoples word for what took or did not take place. I suggest you cool it as your reaction is as bad if not worse than what you allege took place. As for Liphook youth, I feel that they are a great bunch. Lets talk about the positives. Their academic achievements. Participation in the Carnival. The money they have raised for local charities and school trips. The youth theatre and yes, the cubs & scouts. I have been involved with the youth of this area for some thirty years and whilst I admit there is the exception this does not warrant the heading "LIPHOOKS FINEST"

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jeremy (21st Mar 2013 - 17:31:03) Jaybee Your right,i'm wrong so lets forget it,no harm done,no need to get upset,they were only ten after all,they should be able to stick up for themselves!

Re: Liphooks Finest - tony (21st Mar 2013 - 18:41:04) Changing tack on this, Jeremy if I was in your shoes I would feel exactly the same after all it's how a good dad should feel. I can't fault your response for that. Jaybee you'll possibly understand that one day. Glad they caught them, over to the lawyers now.

Re: Liphooks Finest - S (21st Mar 2013 - 20:48:14) OMG Can't believe how many posts here are sympathising with the people behaving so awfully! I 100% agree with Jeremy, whether it's 10 year olds concerned or ANYONE.... It should not be okay to abuse people like that! I can't imagine why anyone would think it was okay to do it in the first place but giving them an 'oh, say sorry and we'll forget all about it, don't do that again' is just ridiculous! And i think the argument that they were just being young and stupid and drunk is bonkers, if they were driving then it was hardly a drunken mistake... (and if it was then that raises a whole noter enquiry altogether!), and I have been young and stupid and drunk too but never would this sort of behaviour occur to me! And if they are the sort of people who think it's okay to speak to a couple of kids like that then I think it really should be viewed as serious, as it just sends out the message that they can get away with things like that and is hardly a deterrent to stop them doing it again.

Re: Liphooks Finest - may (21st Mar 2013 - 20:52:33) I think a lot of people are too eager to stick up for yobs, call me old fashioned but i reckon a clip round the ear would do them the world of good, they should try picking on someone their own size, oh I almost forgot bullies dont do that, too many excuses are being made for them.

Re: Liphooks Finest - georgie (21st Mar 2013 - 21:11:32) Just my twopence ....... If some lads were to do this to my children,..i would more than likely be up on a charge, for assault! NO ONE, will bully, insult, or hurt my children in anyway! my children are my life, and i would do all i can to protect them!

Re: Liphooks Finest - jaybee (22nd Mar 2013 - 12:24:51) Georgie The parents of the accused probably feel the same.

Re: Liphooks Finest - C (22nd Mar 2013 - 12:30:05) Totally agree with Jeremy - this behaviour is not acceptable - I would feel exactly the same had it been my young children who had been targetted. Hope your boys are ok.

Re: Liphooks Finest - Jay W (22nd Mar 2013 - 13:33:03) Wasn't there something similar last year - 2 lads walking home from Junior School along the Haslemere Road had eggs thrown at them out of a car window? I think that thread may have indicated the type of car etc - just wondering if there is any connection and if the slap on the wrist "there, there, don't do it again" approach failed to work? I think I commented on that thread - bring back the village stocks - shame them in public, after all, it's not dissimilar to what they were doing. There's no excuse for that sort of behaviour - you just don't do it, simple as. See the thread Immature Adults

Re: Liphooks Finest - may (22nd Mar 2013 - 18:58:55) But Jaybe The accused are NOT children, they are young men who should know right from wrong

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