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Flag in Square
- Howard Sykes (23rd Aug 2025 17:50:15)
Thoroughly enjoying seeing various village, towns and cities flying the Union Jack, along with the St George’s Cross.
Would the local council be willing to invest in a flag pole outside the Royal Anchor Pub, could not think of a better place to show the world we’re British!
Let’s not be embarrassed to be British and let’s hope Liphook residents get behind this.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Lucy (24th Aug 2025 09:14:23)
Interesting, I looked up 'St George' (ChatGPT) and it seems he was born in Turkey and was a Roman soldier, though executed for his Christian beliefs.
Hypothetical Question: if St George fled Italy to seek sanctuary in the UK, by small boat or other means, because he was being persecuted by the Roam regime, would we agree to give him refugee status or would we ship him out to Rwanda (for instance)
ChatGPT said:
St. George was a Christian martyr and soldier who is best known as the patron saint of England, though he is also venerated in many other countries. His life is shrouded in legend, but here’s what is generally known (or believed):
Historical Background:
Lived: Likely during the late 3rd century to early 4th century AD.
Birthplace: Possibly in Cappadocia (modern-day Turkey).
Occupation: Roman soldier under Emperor Diocletian.
Death: Around 303 AD, he was executed for refusing to renounce his Christian faith during Diocletian’s persecution of Christians.
Key Legend – The Dragon:
The most famous legend about St. George is his slaying of a dragon:
A dragon was terrorizing a town (often said to be in Libya).
The townspeople offered it sheep, and eventually, human sacrifices.
When the king’s daughter was chosen to be sacrificed, George arrived, fought, and killed the dragon.
As a result, the town converted to Christianity.
This story is symbolic, representing the triumph of good over evil or faith over paganism.
Veneration and Legacy:
Canonized: George was recognized as a saint very early in Christianity.
Feast Day: April 23rd.
Patron Saint of: England, Georgia, Portugal, soldiers, scouts, and others.
Symbol: Often depicted with a red cross (which appears on the English flag), in armor, slaying a dragon.
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Re: Flag in Square
- David (24th Aug 2025 09:17:16)
Howard I completely agree with your comments, lets hope the local council do as well.
Have a great day
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Re: Flag in Square
- C (24th Aug 2025 10:03:24)
I agree. I’m very proud to be British! I’m also proud to be a member of the LGBTQ+ community so maybe we could ask them to display a pride flag too.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Dawn Mitchell (24th Aug 2025 10:46:23)
GUYS, Lucy says St George was Turkish? I always thought he was English. Don't we have any English saints? What about Peter and Paul and Luke. Surely English?
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Re: Flag in Square
- M (24th Aug 2025 10:50:11)
Sounds good to me, although I think it should be a Union Jack (correctly hung of course....how many being flown are upside down!!!) as it is a Union Flag representing the majority of residents, no matter of their ethnic background or what they "identify" as!
Don't we already have a flag pole outside the Millennium Hall that flies a Flag though?
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Re: Flag in Square
- Local (24th Aug 2025 11:19:40)
Yes the flag pole at the millennium hall should ALWAYS have a union flag flying the council needs to get there act together.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Kurt (24th Aug 2025 12:18:55)
I agree the council should put up a flag post in the village, but any flag should be a St George flag not a union jack, as this is ENGLAND and I don't buy the line that St George was Turkish as I have never met any Turkish gentleman by the name of George. St George was English - period. So much misinformation out there purposely designed to confuse us and divide us.
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Re: Flag in Square
- paul (24th Aug 2025 15:34:48)
Hi,
The first flags were flown to mankind around 3000 BCE.
In England it was 1606, by James the 1st.
What is the problem flying our national flag at any time, if proud to be British, or English.
Many countries around the world fly their identity This rightly so, and their entitlement.
Our current generation are "hung-up", as is right to show our national flag?
Try saying that to veterans survivors of the of World War 11...
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Re: Flag in Square
- Joe (24th Aug 2025 15:35:21)
Cannot tell whether the posters are being ironic or not but Lucy no Peter Paul and Luke were not English. Read the Bible. I for one do not need a flag to tell me what nationality I
am. Great Britain has been invaded many times and refugees from many other countries have been in most peoples’s history so what makes a person or a place “English? “
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Re: Flag in Square
- Resident (24th Aug 2025 16:48:07)
Imagine telling americans you cannot fly stars and stripes at home?
We dont need a history or religous lesson we should be proud to fly our flag in our country
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Re: Flag in Square
- Jen (25th Aug 2025 16:38:32)
Hmm. I dislike having flags up everywhere, unless it's temporary and for a specific event or a commemoration, such as the coronation or the anniversary of VE Day.
Please don't let us adopt yet another US custom! We have already absorbed Father's Day, Trick or Treating, School Proms, Baby Showers, Gender Reveals and other such customs. Surely we can do without flagpoles in every front garden? Let's keep all the flag flying across the pond, please!
I think the prominent display of national flags speaks more loudly of nationalism than it does of patriotism. We don't need flags to remind us where we are or who we are. Do we?
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Re: Flag in Square
- passfield resident (25th Aug 2025 17:55:42)
Jen-well said
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Re: Flag in Square
- Mary (25th Aug 2025 19:47:24)
Evening all, I hope you all enjoyed this beautiful weather this bank holiday weekend.
As per the other post, most of us should a DNA test and then we could fly the flag of heritage.
Also as the other post said, if your going to fly the George cross (and yes he was 100% Turkish, not an English bone in his body) or the union flag, please fly it the correct way.
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Re: Flag in Square
- John (25th Aug 2025 21:24:25)
A good old rainbow flag is what we should be flying for all the forgotten and lost souls that need saving in Liphook.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Stu (25th Aug 2025 22:29:40)
It is not to remind us but others who we are.....
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Re: Flag in Square
- Clare (26th Aug 2025 07:23:14)
If it’s something people feel so strongly about I suggest they spend their own money and put a flag up in their garden or in their window at home.
I would much rather the council spent money fixing potholes or on improving public services.
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Re: Flag in Square
- passfield resident (26th Aug 2025 11:37:58)
Agree Jen. He puts it very intelligently.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Observer (26th Aug 2025 12:49:28)
Some people need to understand a little more about St George 'the person' and the St George Flag. There's an implication in this thread that somehow the St George Flag is linked to Turkey. It isn't, and here's why.
St George was revered across all Christendom for his bravery and martyrdom in defending the Christian religion around 3AD. He was a Roman soldier from Cappadocia (which much later on became modern-day Turkey).
The Crusader Emblem from the Middle Ages was a red cross on a white background. Armies at that time needed a simple, visible emblem in battle. St George as a warrior-saint became the patron saint of soldiers and knights. The emblem became associated with the protection of St George - for courage, sacrifice and pride. The emblem and meaning (red on white) has zero connection with Turkey.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Audrey (26th Aug 2025 16:13:55)
I think Lucy's point 24th August was that ST GEORGE, the Patron Saint of England was TURKISH and NOT ENGLISH
Certainly a surprise to me, but then BORIS JOHNSON also has Turkish linage, as does the designer of that iconic British Mini car, Sir Alec Issigonis
see below:
Boris Johnson’s paternal great-grandfather was Ali Kemal, a Turkish journalist and briefly the Interior Minister in the final Ottoman government. Ali Kemal was born in Istanbul and was of mixed ethnic background—his father, Haci Ahmet Rıza Efendi, was a Turk from the central Anatolian village
Designer: Sir Alec Issigonis
Full name: Alexander Arnold Constantine Issigonis
Background: British-Greek engineer and car designer
Born: 1906 in Smyrna (now Ä°zmir, Turkey)
Nigel Farage, as an example, has German and Belgian lineage (and apparently changed his children's nationality to German immediately after Brexit? - very strange)
The Royal Family, originally Saxe-Coburg/Hanover dynasty, but changed their title to 'Windsor' and 'Mountbatten' are of course also of German lineage.
It seems to me that we probably all have 'foreigner' DNA in us, something maybe to celebrate?
(here are tests available for this - see link below:
www.dnaweekly.com/best/ancestry
Love and Peace to All - WE ARE ONE HUMANITY on a unique and beautiful planet within an empty universe.
Audrey C.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Local (26th Aug 2025 17:08:55)
No clare it’s just that the government and all the councils down the line should be backing this country to the hilt flying flags is a way of saying that your backing this country so all councils should fly our flags. We are so weak kneed about upsetting everyone it’s time we made a stand and backed our own people. This government has made a complete mess of everything.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Observer (26th Aug 2025 18:43:18)
I'm personally amazed at people who like to run down their own country by finding any way of diminishing British influence, tradition, culture or achievements.
Where's the pride in your own country, or the country you now call home?
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Re: Flag in Square
- Grape (26th Aug 2025 19:21:58)
Regardless of historic "facts" and interpretations, St George is now OUR English flag. We should be no less proud to fly it as the Welsh, Scottish, Ukrainian and Palestinians do with theirs.
The ruling class is increasingly anti-patriotic, whilst making big fuss about sovereignty of Ukraine and Palestine or whoever else is the flavour of the month. Borders and nationality are all very good for others but are being abandoned or denied when it comes to us.
We should fly the flags to signal we are still more patriotic than the ruling class are, and more than they'd like us to be.
We need to fly the flags for future generations to observe and learn patriotism.
We need to fly the flags that unify us locally (UK, England, Hampshire. Liphook).
We must not fly the flags that divide us and are concerned with non-local issues, such as identity politics (e.g. the Alphabet people flags) or foreign conflicts.
We should use our flag to flag out what is wrong, should be dealt with by the authorities but is not (e.g. potholes).
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Re: Flag in Square
- David (26th Aug 2025 20:03:22)
Evening Grape I also agree with your comments
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Re: Flag in Square
- John (27th Aug 2025 07:56:07)
Ah, the classic Union Jack enthusiast — chest out, flag up, job down, brain cells on permanent furlough. They’ve got the St. George’s Cross tattooed somewhere between their last benefit claim and their first can of lager, all while insisting they’re the “true face of Britain.” The irony, of course, is that they know less about their own country than a GCSE geography student on their phone five minutes before the exam.
Patriotism, for them, is a full-time job — which is convenient, because it’s the only one they’ve ever held.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Scott (27th Aug 2025 09:20:42)
John, the other classic British trait, broad sweeping statements, sometimes in jest, sometimes for ironic comedic effect but mostly just for sniping at others!
I'm sure you are aware you can be patriotic, proud to be English and enjoy every aspect of living in this wonderful eclectic pot we call Great Britain. Or is that not allowed in the UK anymore under some new legislation?
You don't have to be bearded or idle with multiple kids by various mothers. Sorry, I don't meet your criteria.
Reasonably well educated, a 40 year career in business and industry, on the tools and in the backroom offices,I don't have tattoos, I drink alcohol rarely. Been married to the same lady for nearly 30 years with only 2 kids from the same relationship.
I'm still proud of this country which I have travelled extensively with all of its eccentricities and diversities, it makes it a fasciniting place to explore beyond the radius of Liphook.
We don't get it right all the time and we were all from migrant blood at some point in history.
If you want to fly a flag, well go ahead, I prefer to celebrate the UK in other ways by bigging us up when we get it right , be it sport, tech or medical advancements or some of the great things everyday people achieve sometimes with no recognition. We are a good nation, people will see what they want.
Treat everyone and every new day with a smile, its liberating.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Grape (27th Aug 2025 13:44:02)
To all the proud patriots, national flag fliers making their voices heard to the dismay of the ruling class:
We are proud of you. We support you morally. Carry on the good work. We are at your debt.
I'd be delighted to help if you need more flags.
At long last something is beginning to stir in sleepy England. We've been oppressed for way too long.
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Re: Flag in Square
- Lisa (27th Aug 2025 17:57:17)
@Grape
I'm curious to know exactly how you have been "oppressed"?
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