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Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (16th May 2025 - 13:17:14) When will this government get the illegal landings sorted. It’s costing you and me thousands this government seems to not care about throwing millions of our money to house people that should not be here . Money that should be spent on our own people. It’s time something was done about it perhaps it’s time the people of this country revolted downed tools and strike like the Union’s love doing. Perhaps the Union’s could do something for all of us for a change.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Ian (16th May 2025 - 19:19:54) The illegals are a drop in the ocean (no pun intended) compared to the numbers of ‘official’ immigrants which is where the real burden of cost and infrastructure is coming from.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (17th May 2025 - 11:24:34) You’re probably right Ian but the illegal people coming in keeps rising and they are costing us a fortune. This government aren’t doing anything to stop it except pay France thousands to do nothing except laugh at us . This government seems to want to take us back into the dreaded EU and open our boarders to everyone it’s just a joke. When will they realise we are an island and proud to be just that with sovereignty. Everything going to the dogs.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - NW (17th May 2025 - 20:35:34) All of you should be more concerned about the useless British-born people living off benefits with no good reason rather than the immigrants who contribute more to our system than they take. Please fact check before attempting to spread your bigoted views and perhaps take a moment to have some basic human empathy which seems to be lacking somewhat now. You are lucky to have been born in a country where you are safe and free, millions others weren’t so lucky. Have some decency and respect for the hardworking immigrants who often risk their lives to come to our country, do the jobs we don’t want to do and contribute to a system that openly hates them.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - SL (18th May 2025 - 11:56:20) Hear hear NW, very well said. The bigotry and hatred across a number of these threads is appalling. You all talk about statistics and costs. You forget or simply don’t care that it is our fellow human beings that you are talking about. It is a very sad reflection of our society.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (18th May 2025 - 15:23:21) NW: There indeed too many citizens on the dole. A major reason for this is them being undercut by Gov funded excessive immigration. Hence no use for British workers as you write. It's a vicious circle (addiction to low-pay immigrant workforce) that can be defused by controlling immigration. When you're asserting that immigrants are a net contribution to this country, do you take into account: government immigrant housing, social care of immigrants' dependents, crime and antisocial costs, erosion of traditional communities, roughly £5 Billion annual asylum bill and much more? Or are you referring to the smuggling gangs? NGOs, SERCO and other State funded businesses benefitting from the chaos? civil servants salaries to deal with the massive issue? Semantics: Calling names ('bigoted view') is a tactic adopted by Left-wing woke people who are losing a logical argument. Disrespecting another's view is what you are doing by calling them bigots. This makes you a bigot yourself. 'Empathy' comes from a close, intimate personal familiarity, it has no place in discussing demography. This country is not safe and free by 'luck' or fortune. It is (was) relatively safe and free thanks to the sweat and blood shed by brave and hard working (mostly white men, yes) who have given it all, rebelled, fought and died for the safety and freedom you're enjoying. Disrespect that at your peril. VE 80's SHOULD mean something to all of us. Those people from other countries you're referring to are yet to make that sacrifice, and rise to change their own circumstances in their home countries if they can organise themselves or be bothered. I respect the few immigrants that are sought out by us (e.g. visa) and indeed end up being of net benefit here. Not the majority of immigrants who are here to take advantage of our over-generosity we can no longer afford. NW: Human beings come in all flavours. Many of them merit no respect whatsoever.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - A young person (18th May 2025 - 17:13:10) Just a reminder, it’s thanks to Brexit that there is the surge in channel crossings and our inability to send them back across the Channel.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Ollie (18th May 2025 - 19:59:15) Grape, NW and Fed Up It is a fact that immigrants contribute more to this country than they take out. A mere 0.5% of our GNI was spent on immigration in 2023. They make up over 20% of our workforce, and often work in jobs that frankly, many people in our country are too lazy to do (farm workers, hospitality staff, not to mention the thousands who work in our NHS, who you most likely benefit from) and claim benefits instead. Compared to immigration, over 20% of our GNI is spent on benefits, so I don’t know why you are complaining so much about an issue that is 40x smaller than that of economic inactivity in the UK. Grape, you have also completely misinterpreted the definition of empathy. It is merely the ability to understand the feelings of another. It has nothing to do with personal relations. I can’t quite fathom how you can lack the basic human decency to feel any sort of sadness for the people fleeing countries where they are not living the life they deserve, whether via conflict, violence or persecution. Finally, the majority of immigrants are here to work, not to take advantage of the services our government provides. That is 16% of our population who are authorised immigrants, and around 1% who are not. It is also worth mentioning that the same ‘woke left’ government you speak about are increasing levels of asylum denials and considering reopening foreign processing centres. Base your claims on fact rather than blaming our country’s problems on people who don’t look like you.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sam (18th May 2025 - 20:35:33) The only minority that is actually negatively affecting your lives is the super rich.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Ollie (18th May 2025 - 20:48:47) Sorry NW, did not mean to target my previous post at you. A young person, you are right. Restricting our ability to have meaningful cooperation and debate with the rest of the EU has hindered our ability to collectively control immigration. Not to mention the damage to our trade and embarrassment it brought us on a global scale.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - John (19th May 2025 - 10:06:18) Starmer is fixing it, we are going back in.... eventually :)

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Oldie (19th May 2025 - 10:33:44) God help us more and more people coming here one way or another we are bursting at the seams city’s over crowded our young people not wanting to work business going bust. And to top all that the stupidity of our useless PM trying to take us back into the dreaded EU by the back door that will completely ruin us they will crucify us just for spite because we dared to leave and are making a go of it better than they are . This government is the worst’s we have ever had and we have had some bummers .

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Steve (19th May 2025 - 10:59:19) Judging by the fury from the brexiteer head bangers, this must be a better deal than I expected😁

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sam (19th May 2025 - 13:52:22) Oldie is in the rapidly getting smaller 11% that still believes Brexit was a success, I can’t see it getting much lower than 11% because some people are always right and never wrong, but that 11% won’t scrape the sides when the next referendum comes. Starmers showing some b***s now and repairing the damage to the citizens, damage caused by lies and the daily hate mail Time will repair the mistake.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Voted remain (19th May 2025 - 14:14:25) Voted remain but wished I hadn’t. Turned out better out . If we try to get back in it will be a disaster. Being under Brussels again will stifle our economy if they rule us again we suffer. Stammer needs to remember how we voted - majority wanted out so unless he calls another referendum he’s going against the country.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (19th May 2025 - 19:51:16) I see both sides of this debate, how can we moan about the cost of immigrants (legal and illegal) when the tax payer has to feed, clothe and house one hundred thousand teenage single mothers and their illegitimate offspring every year. Bad enough I have to feed every child under the age of eleven in Hampshire when their parent's income is far greater than mine. NW, I do hope you are not referring to the ever increasing number of children with mental illness, many of whom will never work. Society seems more concerned about letting a mentally ill child think they are going to be an astronaut or brain surgeon when the reality of their futures is not so rosy. One glimmer of hope for them in that this government has pledged to do all they can to enable them to overcome whatever specific factors prevent them from working. No-one should be condemned to a life on benefits because of hasty over diagnosis of mental illness.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Ashamed (20th May 2025 - 10:29:06) Fishermen sold down the river. Laws handed to Brussels everything we voted against to free us from being ruled by the EU very sad day for this country this government is taking us back years to the dark ages.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Steve (20th May 2025 - 13:16:35) Poll this morning suggests that 56% of voters believe that we should never have left the EU and that 66% favour closer links. Only 14% consider closer ties with the EU to be a mistake. Let's face it brexiteers. It has taken almost 9 years but your cause is now demonstrably lost.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - A young person (20th May 2025 - 18:55:00) I love it how some of you are mentioning fishing ignoring the fact that thanks to Brexit many fisherman are struggling. This deal with the EU benefits our fisherman, it was only today that they announced a £360m fishing and coastal growth fund which will benefit our fisherman even more and our coastal areas such as harbours.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Amusing (20th May 2025 - 19:51:57) Steve who did the survey the remain group. Ah well the French always said they would Take over this country without firing a shot job done.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (20th May 2025 - 20:15:56) Can anybody tell me how coming out of the E.E.C. (or European Union, whatever it's called these days) has benefited us? After nine years, I am not richer for it, public services are not better for it, and our government still bows to the whim of Europe.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Steve (20th May 2025 - 21:53:22) Survey published today by You Gov I think. I read about it in the Daily Telegraph which hardly shares the majority view 🤔

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (21st May 2025 - 06:56:50) @ - Steve (20th May 2025 - 13:16:35) Your simple logic says that what should be done is just what the most recent poll INDICATES (a matter for statistic manipulation and varied interpretations). You want to go back into the EU, facilitated by Labour. Precisely what do recent polls say about the popularity of Labour who want back in the EU? What do the recent polls say about the popularity of Reform who want away from the EU (unlike the Tory fudge or Labour betrayal)? Not so simple now, is it? Personally, I think brexit was never a good idea, but Tory executors made it so much worse. Brexit COULD have been different and much better. OUR EU just like OUR NHS, BBC etc are in desperate need of a fundamental overhaul, total reform. They have gone sour, rancid and no longer fit for purpose.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Realist (21st May 2025 - 10:21:49) About right Grape the EU is in a bad way . Corrupt, over spending, run by mandarins that are milking the system. Our government are the same that’s why they want back in to get on the gravy train for themselves nothing to do with betterment of our country. We were far better out running our own country our economy was much better we were getting our laws sorted this government has trashed all that we are doomed to oblivion. A French dumping ground open doors for them to send in more people they don’t want what has this country come to.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - John (21st May 2025 - 17:31:02) Brexit it’s an abject failure in all forms, not a single benefit was had, the majority know it and only the “am always right brigade” or those easily influenced by media ran by billionaires with agendas still don’t see it. To prove it, re-run the referendum and see what happens, it would be a landslide win to re-enter, The Code of Good Practice on Referendums, of which the UK government is a signatory, and other referendums show that referendum do and can occur on the same question. IF you voted for Brexit you harmed your own country. The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs us, EU economy = 18.6 Trillion, UK economy = 3.4 Trillion. The whole affair is a shameful embarrassment, made us look stupid on the world stage, not one other EU member has got close to considering leaving as they seen the damage (which all our own political parties are hiding, because its too devisive and they want all votes) and to make matters worse, all the things we thought needed reformed about EU membership is already taking place. We are out in the cold, and I doubt we will be welcomed back. “Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but 100% of racists voted for Brexit”

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Ollie (21st May 2025 - 20:00:17) 100% right John

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - C (22nd May 2025 - 07:43:57) Well said John, it was crazy to break with our main trading partner. More familiar perhaps has been the impact on holidaymakers eg the huge airport queues, removal of phone roaming, 90 day limit etc

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - EU Citizen (22nd May 2025 - 08:39:21) John, I initially didn't want to reply to your message because of your baiting final comment (which is pure hyperbole). But I will offer a contrary view as discussion is important. Not everyone in the EU believes it is a benefit. As someone who was born in, and then grew up in a core EU country I can absolutely confirm that the EU is a bloated bureaucracy. Punitive financial decisions from Brussels and Germany have been - and continue to be - imposed on countries such as Portugal, Greece and Ireland that stifle innovation and growth. Free movement strains public services and local economies. EU sanctions and policies often infringe on national identity and local traditions. The EU bureaucracy costs €2 trillion to function. The original post-WW2 concept of the EEC and trading bloc was commendable, but over time it became a bureaucracy. If someone 'within' tells you the grass isn't greener on the other side, it would be wise to listen to them.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - C (22nd May 2025 - 13:26:07) Net migration halved in 2024. Wonder what all the keyboard warriors on this thread will say to that. The mind boggles.. bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgx3ekkw1eo

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (22nd May 2025 - 13:29:12) Equating Brexit to racism is moronic. Sadly many on the sanctimonious side of arguments rush into accusations such as xxxxxist or xxxxphobe when they run out of logical common sense to substantiate their vacuous stance.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - British Citizen (22nd May 2025 - 14:45:16) I commend you EU Citizen. Your post states the truth and the reality. The original Common Market as you say was a trading agreement between like-minded countries meant to benefit all and morphed into a wasteful, corrupt and unworkable monster

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Peter (22nd May 2025 - 20:43:25) I couldnt care less if the EU is as corrupt as the mafia, or indeed ran by the devil himself, principals are irrelvant when Brexit is estimated to have cost the UK economy hundreds of billions of pounds. Tiny points of principal about how its run are absolutely irrelevant when compared to the cost. Many people dont like their jobs on principal... they still rock up on Monday morning as there are bills to be paid. Principals dont fed your kids Its a failure, an abject failure

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - EU Citizen (23rd May 2025 - 09:08:37) To those who keep saying they want to reverse Brexit, or it has failed, or who point to the EU as some sort of nirvana (which as I said it categorically isn't): Support the country you live in, or go live in the country you support.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (23rd May 2025 - 10:33:31) Exactly why should we move Eu citizen just because we don't agree with illegal migrants and the benefits they receive. Why should we as tax payers continually be made to contribute more and more to other people and their kids. Why should we not be able to voice our opinion on these issues without someone such as you telling us to get out if we don't like it. Its not woke or racist or any other words you want to throw around its called an opinion, simple as that.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - EU Citizen (23rd May 2025 - 11:29:06) Suse, I think you have completely misunderstood my point. All I've said is the EU is now widely seen across Europe as a failed, bureaucratic bloc so be careful what you wish to align with.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (23rd May 2025 - 12:19:51) Hear hear, Suse. Maybe EU citizen can tell me how I've benefited from leaving the E.U. All these benefits of leaving don't seem to have materialized.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - EU Citizen (25th May 2025 - 09:57:23) D there are many examples of the 'benefits' from Brexit - but the MSM has brainwashed people to believe it failed. On the other hand, the UK plc has been thwarted at every turn by Labour, the Lib Dems, the civil service and the Tories in achieving the full potential. But you asked for examples - let's look at one (you can find others if you want) - research the UK-Australia FTA 2021 worth £10.4bn annually through to 2035 as but one, clear example - and compare it with how the EU has failed. Never forget - Merkel and Macron stated they wanted the UK to be punished for Brexit, so please factor in how the EU has at every step sought to make the UK (you) pay for leaving their bloated EU club. Why do you so strongly want to be a member of the EU, what personally motivates you for that?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - M (25th May 2025 - 10:00:31) How does boat landings affect life in Liphook? 😂 Go into Sainsbury's on any given day...99% white British over the age of 50. Tells everything about how much it impact its having on our lives 😂😂😂 But yeah let's worry about illegal boat landings. Absolute sheep

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (25th May 2025 - 11:59:00) @ M You're probably right on the demographics in Sainsbury's, but what you haven't factored in is the supermarkets in Bordon where it is likely very different. This is the closest comparator. Sainsbury's is known to sell to this demographic but look at Bordon,Lidl,Poundstrecher, Morrisons market,Tesco and B&M etc. 2 fuel stations lots of small light industrial units and DIY stores. Check out the differences before making very presumptuous statements. Housing is cheaper, lots of social housing,GP practices are full and buses run regularly, have you looked where to? BTW the job centre has reopened.... you no longer have to trek to Aldershot. What are the demographics in Aldershot? Yep that's right lots of migrants, not far away and impacting on the surrounding areas. Your comments make you appear foolish and naïve.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (25th May 2025 - 12:24:47) EU Citizen, did I say I want to be in the EU? My question is, how have I benefitted? We were told prior to the vote that this country would save enough to build a brand new hospital every month. Where is it? If Brexit is so beneficial why is everything going up? As usual we were promised the land of Canaan, and we've ended up with Little Britain with Vicki Pollard as deputy prime minister.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (25th May 2025 - 13:04:06) @ - M (25th May 2025 - 10:00:31) M, you're right, this should have been a local forum discussing Liphook topics. However, this thread is not. if only we could isolate Liphook from what is happening across the country. Uncontrol mass immigration has an overall negative effect on ALL of us, good immigrants included. Like it or not, we all share the meagre tax-payers' pot. We share public services and infrastructure. We share law making. By allowing the overloading of the system with a very different demography we necessarily alter the hitherto status quo, the level of public service, spirit of legislation, lifestyle, culture etc. BTW, there was a recent Liphook local thread wondering why our local supermarket suddenly started selling more cruelly slaughtered meat. Have a read. non-stun slaughtered meat - Anthony (15th May 2025 - 13:15:27) will give you a taster of how "integration" of out-of-control immigration is altering our very home life. Next time you're faced locally with overstretched local public service or/and overstretched local infrastructure and/or degradation of local life quality (rise in crime, ASBO...), degradation in lifestyle (torture halal meat), think for yourself: Would uncontrolled mass immigration of unknown characters men of fighting age help our local situation?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - M (25th May 2025 - 15:08:50) Couldn't make it up! The irony of me being presumptuous 😂

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (25th May 2025 - 19:33:35) M, presumptuous? Most of Sainsbury's customers are "white and over fifty"? If you go in there the same time every day you would see the same demographic. Go in there between twelve and one you will find a much younger demographic, popped in to do a bit of shopping in the their dinner break or buying something for their dinner. Suse, nice to know there are people in Liphook who don't mind telling it how it is and not scared to be politically incorrect or offend these people who are only offended because someone else has told them they should be offended. Good for you girl.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - er (25th May 2025 - 19:45:51) This may be unpopular, but for anyone worried about mass immigration here are some 'non' Daily Mail style facts: Of almost 1,000,000 new immigrants to UK last year, only 38,000 arrived on boats. Plane being the first choice of the vast majority. On average over the last 10 years, less than 20,000 have arrived by boat each year. Of that number, the vast majority were granted asylum,meaning, their entry was necessary and/or legally justified under British law, meaning they were not illegal entries. In 2023/3 the birth rate in England and Wales fell to 1.44 children per woman and the average age of the mother rose to 34. A population must average in excess of 2 children per mother and that's if the mothers average age is nearer 20-25, beyond that there is the skipping of generations to factor in to a declining population. Once our 'older' more fertile generation are gone there will be far too few indigenous English to maintain our economy at anything like current levels, without further increasing immigration numbers. Higher birthrate among immigrants on average, is taken into account when working out our falling birthrate. Religiously conservative communities, whether Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or Christian, account for most of the births in the UK. Birthrates are falling even further and at faster rates among younger indigenous women who largely are planning on having no children at all. I could go on with these stats. Do you see the problem and why our governments are loathe or unable to actually do much about immigration? It seems perhaps you are simply not pulling your weight, lads😂😂🫨

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sam (26th May 2025 - 00:34:25) I’ll give you another stat.. The UK/England has invaded all bar 22 countries. Many gammon have their chest pushed out on hearing that, but the kicker is this… you taught them English. Hence why they all wanna be here, not because it’s great, but because they speak English. How’s that for a turnaround :)

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (26th May 2025 - 07:51:30) @D: Nicely said. @ER: Thank you for pointing out that legal is not illegal, how were we Daily Mail folk to figure that out? We get your assertion that British birth rate is plummeting and that it's bad. Your argument is bring in anyone, the more the better, into this country to make up for loss of British population, at any cost. Birth rate is counted per mother, where I'm from that'll be a woman. Have you any good statistics of men to woman ratio within immigrants? Immigrant bringing over elderly infertile dependents? Are we supposed to be happy with your best optimistic statistics of a city-full of unknown characters every year? Have we looked into the underlining reason why native British women are not having as many children? Have we looked at solutions to help them into having more children? No, the usual easy "solution" is allow more immigrants in, no matter who they are... The same goes for native British no longer interested in work... We need to fix our own roof, ourselves, not invite in new irreversible problems. At any rate, if uncontrolled immigration is such a great thing then why do the majority of voters and majorities of political leaders, now, eventually, come out and admit it's a bad thing? Hypocrisy will be the death of us. @Sam: Oh Sam, you again. If the English language is our crime for which we should pay, why all the public paid translation services? Many of them speak Arabic, why don't they go to richer Arab speaking countries? Sam and ER. Your disrespectful use of Daily Mail readers and Gammon people smacks of offensive racist language, shall we stoop down to your gutter level of discourse?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (26th May 2025 - 08:13:12) What's gammon got to do with it?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (26th May 2025 - 09:07:00) Thanks D, and yes what's gammon got to do with it exactly. Just a barrow load of nonsense again as usual.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (26th May 2025 - 09:38:37) And Sam, if our extremely popular language is our downfall: Why have out of control immigration into other English speaking language pretty much stopped? USA and Australia are still English speaking countries, perhaps not for long. But they have started sorting out their immigration chaos at home. Old Blighty is still dithering, kicking the can down the road, caught up in a politically correct silly virtue signalling - to our own peril. South Sudan is also very Anglophone, do they suffer uncontrolled immigration from around the world? No, they are not a naïve PC cow to be milked to death like Britain. We can see that even our weak, virtue signalling, socialist government has now, at long last, started speaking about immigration in a different tone once they realised it's good for their voting polls. Better disastrously late than never. And what's this "you taught them English"? I never taught English. Are you referring to the British people? Are you not British? Sam, we keep seeing you popping up on different threads, debased on every occasion. I admire your persistence. I hope that you learn from contributions in response to your posts. Perhaps one day, as have i and many others, you will realise that woke, socialist, virtue signalling will eventually lead you nowhere good, and you will see sense sooner rather than later. Better late than never. Best wishes, good luck!

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - M (26th May 2025 - 09:52:20) What's the criteria to be an 'Indigenous English' person please?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (26th May 2025 - 12:20:35) Just to "throw this into the mix", I know Bordon residents who have to use the Liss surgery because priority is given to Bordon immigrants who have to use the Bordon surgeries because they can't drive. Then some numpy asks "how does immigration affect Liphook?"

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - British Citizen (26th May 2025 - 12:54:33) I do not think and this is just my opinion, that there is any such person/persons as Indigenous English. I state this based on history dating back to Norman times and even before that. Indigenous means settlers such as Aborigines, Maoris, The Native American Indian etc etc. People who lived in a land that was then invaded by incomers and taken over. I think that the people to whom er is referring are White English and I accept that this is my assumption. I stand corrected if anyone else has more information and I would be most interested to read to read about it.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - A young person (26th May 2025 - 14:02:13) D, Priority isn’t given because of their immigration status, priority is given because they can’t drive.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - M (26th May 2025 - 14:36:33) D are you digressing or do you truly believe illegal boat landings are directly affecting us in Liphook because *check notes* someone told you the doctors in bordon give immigrants priority over others? ...Or is that just a bit of a fib about the doctors?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (26th May 2025 - 15:10:13) @ M I'm familiar with the GP practices in Bordon, I've commented earlier. They are full and not taking new patients from this area. The fact is it has an impact because it obviously costs more to drive to Liss. Not just the fuel but rather the cost of putting a vehicle on the road, and the time factor. The bias is against those with resources and firmly in favour of those arrivals without. All been discussed at length previously there also isn't a NHS dentist in Bordon but where do you believe those arrivals get treated? Because they do get treated for free....

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Joe (26th May 2025 - 15:46:48) D I do not understand the comment about priority given in doctors to non drivers? There are no questionnaires to be filled out asking whether we drive or have access to a car whilst at the surgery? There are plenty of older people who do not drive.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (26th May 2025 - 16:42:01) A Young Person, I thought that was clear in my post, maybe not to you. M, I find your post difficult to understand but I think I've got the gist of it, that was told me by a patient of one of the Bordon surgeries. How does that affect people of Liphook? Because some people in Liphook get referred to Liss surgery for treatment. (Whether they can drive or not, A Young Person).

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (26th May 2025 - 18:09:26) @ - British Citizen (26th May 2025 - 12:54:33) That's a nice fairy tale of innocent people living in a euphoric harmony with nature. There is a bit missing in your narrative: How did it start? Who was there beforehand? Early Aborigines & Maoris were seafarers, colonisers like early Europeans and other peoples. They have explored the waters and settled where they could, peacefully or otherwise. Pre-settlement there were other lords of the land, early humans or others; they are now wiped out. Historians don't like to talk about that. European colonisers have not eliminated previous occupants. Native American Indian people, like other early people were fierce warriors, living in constant military conflict, not the cuddly story de-colonisers want you to believe.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (26th May 2025 - 22:28:19) I agree, Grape. Enoch Powell.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Peter (27th May 2025 - 00:07:26) The fact someone started this post regarding illegal migration and that many are responding means you have already been sold what they want you to focus on... and lose the arguement. You - 0 v Them = 1 Look up... not down, you might see the problem

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (27th May 2025 - 08:13:31) Don't understand your post at all, Peter.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (27th May 2025 - 10:28:05) @ Peter Yes that this government has done zero as yet re illegal entries,it isn't Starmers priority, he made that clear with his 5 point plan......

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sam (28th May 2025 - 00:47:23) Pride in the empire isnt getting anyone out of this, the suez crisis was the end of us as a superpower, brexit was the end of us full stop. We are already witnessing the end of the US as a superpower, come back in 20 years and the US will be optimistically like France or more realistically like us. China has stolen the show, good on them as well. Stop yapping like your stood upon something, we are nothing now, stamp your british feet as much as you want.... nobody is listening nor cares, and given what we have done in history, all we did was draw a target on our backs, and critically teach those seeking to come here our language (why would you want to remain in France if you cant speak french) the EU could militarily speaking "take us" at any moment, (not that they are at all bothered nor want too) in fact the polish army could do it by themselves. Its high time you disposed of you pride and replaced it with humility for most british people, especially the older are stuck in this idea we matter, we dont, we divorced, left, invaded and messed up everything we touched and everyone hates us with a massive passion..... we signed off on that joke with the last friends we had with brexit.... our own neighbours !

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Re (28th May 2025 - 12:51:04) Peter the problem is this government completely useless. Sam only your opinion leaving the EUwas the best thing to happen but unfortunately the remain brigade didn’t like it and a lot of those are in parliament so a lot of miss information and shady going’s on this government are determined to get us back under the law Brussels god help us . We CAN stand on our own feet if the young people of this country went to work as their fathers and grandparents did stop knocking this great country funny how everyone wants to come here.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - H (28th May 2025 - 12:54:37) The fact people here are trying to justify ILLEGAL migration is a prime example why this country is failing. It’s pathetic.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sally (29th May 2025 - 08:56:16) @ Fed Up(original poster), I’m guessing that you’re an unemployed person living on social welfare and use the statement “Immigration is the reason I can’t find a job”. The truth is you’re lazy and need to get out there and find employment and stop laying on your back having children you can’t afford and expecting the immigrant population to support your life style. Without the immigrants paying tax you wouldn’t be able to sit at home and eat yourself into a state of obesity when again the immigrant population would wipe you down in a hospital bed.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (29th May 2025 - 10:53:44) At the risk of being seen to not "read the room" or "coming at this from the wrong angle" or any one of the plethora of ridiculous sayings these days, still no one can tell me how I have benefitted from leaving the E.U. Do I have more money? No. Have public services improved? No. Are taxes coming down? No. Has leaving the E.U. saved the country enough money to build a brand new hospital every month? No. After last week we may as well be back in it anyway.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Charlie (29th May 2025 - 11:04:26) Sally I think you post is irrelevant, unpleasant and has absolutely no proof that what you are saying is even remotely true. Think before you post.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (29th May 2025 - 11:34:37) Sally, the post is clearly about ILLEGAL immigrants. Not legal immigrants who are here by applying for immigration through the correct channels. I personally have no problem at all with foreigners (are we still allowed to say that?) coming here through the correct channels. To just sail in on a dinghy and be given on a plate what many of us have worked decades for is an absolute farce, though not as much as a farce as this government letting them do it. I do agree with your comment about people having children they can't afford, but now that it is the taxpayer who has to feed them they are going to have even more.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Charlie (29th May 2025 - 13:12:47) D you are as bad as Sally. What makes you think that the OP is out of work/has multiple children/on benefit and if you do not think that about the OP then say so. Make it clear.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (29th May 2025 - 13:42:44) Charlie, I said no such thing. Please clarify (there's another ridiculous fashionable phrase) "I need clarity". On the contrary, I have made no criticism of the person placing this thread at all . My comments refer to this government's policy of me having to feed everyone else's children.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (29th May 2025 - 14:21:35) Well what an assortment of posts . Very interesting some of them others going of subject. Anyway I will just say ILLEGAL was the point, legal migrants yes if they contribute to our system and abide by our laws that’s if we can stay out of big brother Brussels. Sally I can’t have children wrong sex but I have contributed thousands in to our system payed a great deal of tax and know still being taxed and having heating allowance taken away and know they are going after anyone that has a little savings. But illegal migrants get the VIP treatment I don’t think that’s fair especially on the people that have worked so hard all their lives to have a reasonable retirement it all sucks.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Paul2 (29th May 2025 - 15:40:40) Whenever someone says Bordon, I always think of this: farnhamherald.com/news/ehdc-spends-ps37million-on-homes-for-ukrainian-and-afghan-refugees-645035

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - C (29th May 2025 - 15:59:00) Oh my goodness. PLEASE can we just stop this thread?!

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sam (29th May 2025 - 18:29:34) Everyone does NOT want to come here, other EU countries take many many more than us with the English Channel advantage we have. Those that want to come here do so because we formerly invaded their country or other and taught them English… English is their 2nd language, if you were a migrant and the only European language you had a handle on was English why on gods earth would you want to move to any other country. They ain’t coming as we are great, we are just greater than the place they are leaving.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (29th May 2025 - 18:51:40) As the original poster why C stop it . It’s the topic of the country possibly the next election topic what government we get . It seems that I’m not the only one fed up with what’s going on a the moment complete and utter mess . Hundreds of illegal migrants coming to our shores every day . Makes a mockery of the legal entry system. That’s what the post is all about the good people of this country are being taken for a ride being taxed to the hilt to subsidise them. This country needs to pull up the drawbridge.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (30th May 2025 - 08:59:53) Sam, are you not aware that English language is taught in just about every country in the world? It is a prerequisite of many professions, aviation, for example. English is the language of aviation and all pilots are required to speak perfect English. Surely illegal immigrants crossing the channel seeking "asylum" would have been happy with the very first country they got to instead of going for the one that offers most. As for us invading other countries, that happened centuries ago. Get over it.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Ollie (1st Jun 2025 - 11:57:50) D, ICAO Level 4, which is the required proficiency in English to become a pilot, is not ‘perfect English’ as you claim. It is a level of basic proficiency in order to communicate with other pilots and air traffic control effectively, known as Aviation English. People claim asylum in the UK for a variety of reasons, and Sam is correct, other European countries take more Asylum seekers than we do.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (1st Jun 2025 - 13:26:42) @ Ollie Other European countries are bigger than us, have you measured France, Spain, Germany, Poland etc etc..... You are comparing apples with pears. Best do your homework before you retort.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - er (1st Jun 2025 - 14:45:50) We have signed up to take refugees who flee to the UK, it is our commitment, even if they have passed through other 'safe' countries, as long as they have a preference to settle here for a number of statutory reasons (language, connections being just two)...yet we blame the people who flee here...what does that say about us...are we aiming the stupidest least graceful people on earth? My mother taught me give with a smile, or else don't give at all. We chose to give, after WWII and we finally saw all the Jewish people who fled but were not welcomed anywhere, we said never again. Did we mean it? Of the nearly 1,000,000 new immigrants to the UK each year about 10% are asylum seekers and about 3% fled across the channel in small flimsy boats. Nearly 90% of them were granted asylum so their entry was deemed lawful and correct, not illegal landings at all, if you believe in legal process, this is largely legal. We have far bigger problems in this country, greed, inequality, selfishness, or perhaps our own declining birth rate, over 50% of households keep, raise and serve cats and dogs daily but only 30% of UK households have any children, most of those are from immigrant families with one or more foreign born parent. We need immigrants, we both benefit, we give them a safe place, they give us a younger future, either give with a smile or don't give, but don't then blame them for seeking, because we have offered by signing up to this and we both benefit from it, I'm sure most of us realise we need them as much as they need us! Remember 3% come here by small boat out of a million and it's lawful, they take the risk, we should welcome them with a smile, or what have we become, a nation of miserable old grumps?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (1st Jun 2025 - 15:15:45) Ollie, now that really is cantankerous nit-picking. So you've spent nearly a week dissecting my post and all you can achieve is to quibble over one word. The fact you can only find fault in one insignificant adjective goes in my favour I think.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (1st Jun 2025 - 17:48:52) Comparing the WW2 genuine war refugees to this greedy aggressive border breach is not only historically wrong, it's offensive. The rest of my text will likewise for some readers. Those violating our border, euphemistically called "small boat people", are largely fit young men who have fallen foul (criminals and trouble makers) with their country of origin and / or can't be asked to legally work for their living. Successful systems attract parasites. Those delinquent young men are so unpleasant to deal with that France, in desperation to rid itself from the problem, will spoil it's relationship with its neighbouring countries. The illegals break laws left right and centre on route, seem to somehow find funds to pay for that. Zero respect to law, order and fellow humans. They head here in immense droves to feed on free handouts, fleeing safe countries to chose their boutique sucker country: Weak spineless countries like the UK who are evidently self-loathing, self-destructive. So long as this country is happy to waste tax payers money on excessive food & boarding and on spurious legal services (grossly differing from the original spirit of the asylum laws) - we are all (British and immigrants) facing a very different future. As bad immigration keeps pouring into this country and the original taxpayers are trodden on, this country will become just as bad or hard to live in as those countries those bandits are fleeing. What good would this achieve?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sue (1st Jun 2025 - 17:58:44) Even if we ever wanted a single one of those illegal crossings: Over a thousand a day is well past the time to call out a Border Crisis and apply exceptional methods even if unpopular.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sam (1st Jun 2025 - 21:26:47) O There was no suggestion by me that every country was taught English, but if you review the background of migrants whom enter illegally you will find that there dominant second language is English, not French, not Italian, not Spanish. If you then carry that data and attempt to work out why the majority of those have not learned English independently by tuning into eastenders etc but rather because we have at some point in history pillaged their homeland and exercised control over them. A history many look on with pride. You reap what you sow… the empire is long gone but its effects are still coming All empires end, for us we are no longer an empire in anything other than a ceremonial sense and we haven’t been a superpower since the suez crisis, nor are we likely to remotely get back to that. We are witnessing the beginning of end of the US as a superpower, hence why Donald is attempting to disrupt that with panic policy. 20 years the US will be no more power significant than France but be immeasurably broke so the war tools will decline very hard. And we turned our backs on the only friends we had.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (2nd Jun 2025 - 08:58:40) When it comes to illegal immigrants, as with benefits for children, there seems to be a bottomless pit of money. Yet the government snatched back heating allowances for the elderly who have paid into the state all their lives. Oh yes, we should welcome this invasion of illegal immigrants with open arms at the expense of our own. Just as native red Indians welcomed the tidal wave of immigrants from Europe. What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Charlie (2nd Jun 2025 - 14:43:31) D I trust that your sentence about the Native American Indian welcoming European Immigrants was said in jest because they certainly did not welcome the immigrants who behaved shockingly to the Indigenous people who lived there. They waged war and broke treaty after treaty. Evenually they put the remaining Native Indians in reservations and to the credit of those Indians they adapted, flourished and survived.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (2nd Jun 2025 - 18:25:27) Yes, Charlie, my comment was in jest. I'm just glad I won't be here in a hundred years.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (3rd Jun 2025 - 14:06:57) As yet not seen just why the thousands of illegal migants risk their lives to come to this country when they are already in a safe country. France is such a large country compared to us plenty of room for them and there countryside much less inhabited. Why is the government allowing other nationalities to over run some of our cities and towns and become like their own country that they have left even down to their own laws .

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (3rd Jun 2025 - 14:55:03) @ Fed up Because Starmer and his incompetent team are out of their depth and don't have any plans to deter.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 15:50:24) Suse-what would you do to "deter"?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Liphook resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 16:27:00) Easy send them straight back have ships ready and ship them straight back to France and don’t take any nonsense from France. Stop them entering our 12 mile limit turn them back fire warning shots over them so they get the message. So much could be done we are such a soft touch. The French are just laughing at us they don’t want them so they are just turning a blind eye and taking our money this government totally useless.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (3rd Jun 2025 - 16:30:22) Implement the Australian procedure and tow the boat back to where it sailed from. Take the outrage from all and continue just as the Aussies did. It stopped after 2 weeks, they soon got the message. We're implementing other Aussie procedures ref migration this is one that also needs to be included.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Paul2 (3rd Jun 2025 - 16:42:01) @Fed Up - you have asked the correct question, and the answer must surely be because they want it that way?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 18:44:29) Suse-you are aware that towing overloaded inflatables is very dangerous? Also, would we be able to just tow a boat into French territorial waters? I don't think so.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 18:46:56) Liphook Resident-"don't take any nonsense from France"? , "fire warning shots"? This needs intelligent ideas, not the usual Reform style rubbish.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (3rd Jun 2025 - 18:57:58) I agree, Suse. They come here because this is where they get the most. This is an invasion.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Liphook resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 19:21:58) Passfied Resident if Australia did it why can’t we these boats are entering our waters illegally so we should be able to return them from where they came from France. If the boats are overloaded then it’s their problem. This government needs to get tough stop dithering about. Mrs T would have sorted it out pronto.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 19:48:32) That would be the same Mrs T that ordered the sinking of an Argentinian ship that was sailing away from the Falklands exclusion zone? The same Mrs T that used Scotland as a trial for the poll tax? The same Mrs T that helped destroy mining communities for political reasons? It's common for people who have no relevant ideas to pretend that some figure from the past would just wave a magic wand.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Liphook resident (3rd Jun 2025 - 20:19:28) Yes it certainly was best and strongest PM we have had. You missed her hitting the French President with her handbag.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (3rd Jun 2025 - 20:59:45) Passfield Resident, the Belgrano was navigating it's way around the Falklands, it was pointing away from the islands when it was sunk, yes, but in sailing you sometimes have to sail in the opposite direction of your intended destination to avoid grounding on underwater hazards. Remember the Falklands are basically the top of a submerged mountain, lots of underwater hazards to avoid. The poll tax was the fairest form of local taxation ever invented, EVERYONE contributed, not just householders. The government of Lady Thatcher closed 190 pits, many closures implemented by the previous Labour government who, by the way, don't you know, closed a total of 250.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (3rd Jun 2025 - 21:43:10) @ Passfield resident, well you asked and i gave you my answer. The fact that you don't like it is well unfortunate, but its a solution,as i said just as the Aussies did successfully some years back. Stops all those hotels,HMO,3 meals a day, healthcare, dentistry etc etc overheads we're as tax payers all continually expeced to pay for when as incomers they haven't contributed anything to our system whatsoever.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (4th Jun 2025 - 09:18:11) I agree, Suse. As soon as Australia closed the door the illegals stopped overnight. The illegals come here because we are a soft option, and this government allows this invasion to continue unabated. That's what you get when you vote in the cast of Little Britain.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Paul2 (4th Jun 2025 - 09:31:26) The current approval rating for the Labour Govt has plummeted to 16% (source: YouGov, June 25).

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (4th Jun 2025 - 09:43:45) Suse-what proportion of migrant boats heading to Australia were inflatables? Do you know? The answer is that the Australian authorities were turning back boats that were able to turn back. A dangerously overcrowded inflatable can't safely go anywhere. Turning them back, if it was even possible (how do you make them turn back if they won't co-operate?) would sometimes result in innocent people dying when inflatables capsized. Of course, some of the people that drone on about what should be done about immigration don't care what happens to the migrants and don't really see them as people at all. Make sensible arguments. There are no easy solutions to this problem otherwise one government or another would have made more progress with it.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Charlie (4th Jun 2025 - 10:06:49) I have to agree with D and Suse's latest posts, particularly his reference to Mrs Thatcher. As a country we cannot afford what D calls "an invasion". It is certainly beginning to feel like it. Keir Starmer himself said recently that the dynamics and structure of this country are being changed and not for the better. Legal and controlled immigration "yes" not thousands coming over in small boats, the majority of whom, are economic migrants.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (4th Jun 2025 - 10:20:38) Thanks D, its one option,when Passfield resident asks a question and doesn't like the answer as i said its unfortunate, but he proposed nothing. @ Passfield resident your retort is just as useful as Labour and Starmer like a chocolate tea pot, useless. Australia had success if you read my post by towing back boats,yes its outrageous, get over it.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - The original M (4th Jun 2025 - 10:45:31) Watching the BBC the other day they showed migrants boarding an inflatable in waist deep water, and then sailing off while French "authorities" stood on the beach by their cars and a coastguard boat watching close by. Why can't the authorities just go up to the boat in a small Rib and puncture these inflatables before they even start to move? Seems such a simple and effective measure to me?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (4th Jun 2025 - 12:18:18) Suse-where would boats be towed to? We're not allowed into French territorial waters.What if people drowned ? (you didn't answer that-this happened years ago when the Greeks tried to tow a boat full of refugees). That's the trouble with being the government-you have to have policies that work rather than daft ideas.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (4th Jun 2025 - 12:27:34) I also read a report a couple of days back that said the French navy had impounded and escorted an English fishing boat to Boulogne because it was fishing in French waters.(Bbc). Is it that difficult to do exactly the same for the inflatables,i don't believe so. Its a matter of choice from the French who are paid large sums of money from good old blighty to intervene and stop migrants getting into boats and boats leaving french waters without authority to cross the chanel . They can react quickly enough for a football riot but not for migrants leaving their country, they couldn't care less then watch from a distance with binoculars and cameras. Its a p@#£ take. Worst thing they did was remove the Rwanda project.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (4th Jun 2025 - 13:34:24) Passfield resident it would appear that you are hypercritical and condem all and any ideas. Deterrent concepts are required because its unsustainable left as it is. We are a relatively small country and while Starmer is spending like he is on migrants and amongst other things eg Chagos islands, which btw wasn't in his manifesto there will be no improvement in such issues as NHS etc. Your comments are continually negative.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - M (4th Jun 2025 - 13:35:01) What if the French refuse to have them back? What happens then?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Joe (4th Jun 2025 - 14:27:42) I don’t disagree that economic migrants are a problem if they are not going to contribute to the taxation and economy here. There are however about one million people claiming benefits ( other than the state pension) or perhaps more now, who were born here and have never contributed at all or very much anyway to taxation or National Insurance we should feel just as indignant about that.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Paul2 (4th Jun 2025 - 14:29:03) @Passfield Resident - this isn't about turning the boats around as you say. It's about stopping people illegally entering the UK by preventing them from ever getting into a boat on the French side. The French clearly don't want to stop it, and our Govt (and previous Govt's) clearly don't want to prevent it. Small boats are the visible tip of a bigger iceberg, which is that the UK cannot sustain constant immigration - whether legal or illegal.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (4th Jun 2025 - 14:56:11) Paul2-did you read my posts? I don't agree with turning boats around-I made that very clear Suse-hypercritical?!Because I don't agree with your ideas?I don't agree with large numbers of people crossing the Channel in inflatable boats-I just don't know a simple way to stop them. Perhaps more co-operation with France and other countries migrants travel through would help, and perhaps a lot more money and effort could go into stopping criminals supplying migrants with unsafe boats and prosecuting them when they do. We haven't been very good at doing things co-operatively with the rest of Europe for a while now though

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (4th Jun 2025 - 15:23:19) Well as I started this post it’s run and run but getting nowhere. It stands out like a smack in the eye that something has got to be done about illegal landings . Legal people coming are more than enough. As for how to stop the boats there are many ways as you have seen on this thread but unfortunately we have to many do gooders and the remainers in parliament that are over ruling the sensible MPs and this government are going along with it . There is absolutely no problem in stopping the illegal boats entering our waters . We can turn them back into French waters not allow the French to dictate to us we need to stand up to them. That’s the reason we came out of the dreaded EU to run our own country not cow down to the EU they are in a huge mess anyway. The RWANDA scheme was very good and it should never have been stopped. Again unfortunately BORIS was a victim of the do gooders if he had been left alone and was still on things would have been different I’m sure. But all this talk on here won’t change a thing until this terrible government is removed.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - M (5th Jun 2025 - 08:50:16) Just to add my two pence worth to this. It's still absolutely hilarious that some Liphook folk are hot and bothered about illegal boat landings when without wanting to sound 'presumptuous' we all deep down know that there's virtually no effect of illegal boat landings to the people of Liphook... I wonder what's next for people to get furious about? Also...Thanks for an entertaining thread.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Sue (5th Jun 2025 - 09:47:28) Illegal immigrants LOCAL effect in Liphook. 1] For those of us [in Liphook] who do happen to pay their taxes, illegal immigration is a huge drain of public funds [£14 billions annually] 2] The immense and virtually infinite numbers of unknown incomers place untold strain on our infrastructure [e.g. housing, water, roads...] and services [e.g. police, nhs...] 3] Arab / Turkish barbers crime dens in the heart of the community [Liphook]. Who would dare to scrutinise their activities as would be done to local white British businesses? They get way with all sorts in broad day light, mocking our laws which only seem to apply on us white British locals 4] Unknown uncontrolled global movement is a health risk 5] What do you think will be the statistical representation of illegal / unknown / undocumented shady young men on levels of local [Liphook] crime? 6] In Bordon we have tracks of lands and highways closed annually for Muslim events. We have our local community centre taken over by Muslims as if it were their own mosques. Soon will make the short distance to Liphook 7] We have cruelty slaughter meat in our supermarket to delight the up-and-coming Muslim eaters in Liphook 8] We are seeing the British Muslim votes voting in sectarian manner, totally undermining our democracy national and local The list goes on.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Paul2 (5th Jun 2025 - 09:58:24) Passfield Resident, you critiqued and expressed criticism for turning back boats 4 times in your posts so no, you haven't been as clear as perhaps you think you have been. It would be interesting if you could set out your own actionable solution to address the issue?

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (5th Jun 2025 - 10:25:25) Didn't I say there is no easy answer?Sometimes there are problems that are practically impossible to solve. The international community would need to work together much better to make progress on this, but we're at a point where the international community isn't working well together.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Joe (5th Jun 2025 - 10:36:48) It is also the NHS which is badly affected by a huge population have you tried to get an NHS dentist recently - forget that! Also loads and loads of new estates are being built to accommodate our huge population destroying the countryside in the process.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Grape (5th Jun 2025 - 10:42:33) @passfield resident (5th Jun 2025 - 10:25:25) The international community [e.g. European Convention] you're speaking of is what got us, over past decades, into this mess. National borders are there for very good reasons and need to be guarded against unwelcomed undocumented invaders, just as it is guarded against innocent resident citizens who wish to travel for work or leisure. All you criminal huggers, parasite feeders, terrorist apologisers, sanctimonious virtue signallers, snowflakes, bleeding hearts: Careful what you're protecting - it cares zero for you and it is here to harm you.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - C (5th Jun 2025 - 11:06:28) @Editor - could we please close this thread? It's racist and irrelevant. Appreciate free speech but I think this is now just harmful. Thank you.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Suse (5th Jun 2025 - 11:17:54) @ Passfield resident Didn't i say you were hypercritical and display an attitude of condeming any and all possible solutions, seems there are others that think that about your posts too

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (5th Jun 2025 - 11:19:39) Grape-are your insults directed at me? If so, do you want to meet and tell me to my face?That would bre less cowardly.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Fed up (5th Jun 2025 - 11:38:15) There is always a solution. We just need to get tough not be so soft the Australians did it so can we . We need to tell the French to get their fingers out and stop the boats there end not just stand there and watch easily done . And there’s no problem in stopping them before they enter our waters it’s time we brought out the navy to protect our waters to show them we mean business if we can’t protect our waters and beaches from invasion GOD help us we just as well surrender to France they tried before but we had guts then.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - D (5th Jun 2025 - 12:09:55) Passfield Resident, for someone who claims to have been a teacher, your last post is a disgrace.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Charlie (5th Jun 2025 - 13:30:30) C you don't have to read it. Better people air their feelings on this site and vent their angst rather thatn resort to physical violence. Its is just words after all and will not make a jot of difference or impact on this government. I don't what the answer is - appealing to France is a non-starter. They don't like us anyway and have not forgiven us for Brexit.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (5th Jun 2025 - 13:36:57) D-same applies to you. It's too easy to insult people online. Talk to people face to face.Agree with the previous poster who said this post has become nasty. My post isn't threatening-I just don't like cowardly online behaviour, whether it's directed at me or the local barbers.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - Charlie (5th Jun 2025 - 14:19:16) Passfield Resident You cannot criticise posters on this site for being cowardly and not talking face to face when you are doing the same. As I said in my previous post when feelings run as high as this it probably is safer to post on line than meet face to face. Forgive me for saying this and I am not trying to be rude, but I do not think you understand the seriousness of the problem of immigration that we are a country as experiencing. It is now out of control and people really fear what is happening to our country and when people feel fear, they react angrily and aggressively. Many of our towns would be unrecognizable to our grandparents and great-grandparents. They have changed out of all recognition. A friend of mine told me that she travelled to London from Liphook with her son of six a few years ago. On disembarking at Waterloo he asked his mother if they had arrived in another country and it is getting worse. The old saying "When in Rome do as the Romans" do spring to mind.

Re: Illegal landings on our shores - passfield resident (5th Jun 2025 - 14:52:43) Charlie-I agree with a lot of what you say, but someone on this site called me a terrorist apologist and that is going too far. I make no apologies for reacting to that. 'Grape' made a general comment not aimed solely at you. You may or may not fall into any of the categories. "All you criminal huggers, parasite feeders, terrorist apologisers, sanctimonious virtue signallers, snowflakes, bleeding hearts: Careful what you're protecting - it cares zero for you and it is here to harm you."

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