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Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Gail E (30th Sep 2021 - 09:53:31) Can anyone tell me if they have had a diesel delivery? Or do they have any diesel yet? Seems like petrol is coming through but not necessarily diesel. I could be wrong. Any advice is appreciated.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - d (30th Sep 2021 - 10:11:40) Just been to.Sainsbury's. Petrol but no diesel,

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - paul (30th Sep 2021 - 15:41:53) Hi, No fuel of any type again at Sainsburys Liphook Thursday afternoon, now closed. Panic buying again causing this problem they say. When will this driver behaviour end?...

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - D (30th Sep 2021 - 19:31:16) Panic buying? I've not filled up since last Tuesday. We had three or four petrol stations in Liphook at one time but hey, that's progress?

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Pete (30th Sep 2021 - 19:39:31) Not convinced much of this is down to panic buyer or am I convinced such a thing as a panic buyer actually exists, this is just supply and demand, unlike bog roll people need fuel. Oil causes wars its that important. 1. Supply of fuel (From Refinery) is very impacted due to lack of lorry drivers. 2. Demand has gone up due to lack or supply/ Its fairly standard some people in power want you to blame each other to shine the light away from any lack of contribution they have made to solving the problem.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Penny Williamson (30th Sep 2021 - 20:49:31) Pete it is panic buying. In normal times do you see? Motorist in Headley filling up his car and then 16 cans of fuel. Woman filmed emptying water bottles at a petrol station and then fllling them with petrol. Man drawing his knife because someone had jumped the queue. This is not normal behaviour. Yes at the moment there is a shortage of drivers, not a shortage of petrol. If people behaved as they normally do there would not be a problem

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - er (30th Sep 2021 - 20:54:36) People don't need bog roll? Speak for yourself😂😂😂

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - D (1st Oct 2021 - 08:57:05) I'm sending this message from the outside privvy at Troll Towers and it is my considered opinion that toilet roll is more important than petrol. Makes a nice mattress as well. er, I think I know your true identity, it's so obvious. Who else uses E R? YOUR MAJESTY!

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - gareth j rees (1st Oct 2021 - 09:44:43) as the shortage of drivers is caused by european drivers going back home post brexit can i propose a solution? the three garages in liphook; sainsburys and the two on the A3 are priority for remain voters to fill up and get petrol whilst brexit voters in liphook could use petrol stations in brexit voting areas such as gosport or middlesbrough

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - John D (1st Oct 2021 - 12:26:51) On topic: Sainsbury had a delivery last night. Can't say how much is left right now, but they seem to be restocked regularly. I went there (by foot fortunately so avoided the traffic chaos) on Tuesday and they had just had a tanker delivery and again yesterday, so clearly fuel is getting through, it's just being brought very quickly. The issue seems to be more with coping with a demand spike in a "just in time" system than any particular lack of fuel. Off topic: Great idea Gareth, lets expand it further we all only get the policies of whoever we voted. Soon we can all be fighting one another, and achieving absolutely nothing, as some people enjoy loads of services and a 99% tax rate, whilst others pay no tax, but have no services. Perhaps we should also identify those with different views from us with some kind of mark that they have to wear, then we can make them all live together. Maybe as time goes on we can send them to camps to be "enlightened". Sounds utopian. Alternatively, we could understand that democracy is what it is and sometimes we get outcomes we didn't choose, but we should still try and make things better for all of society, rather than being malicious and trying to punish those who see the world differently.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - paul (1st Oct 2021 - 15:38:20) Hi, Sainsburys did have diesel only earlier today Friday, but now no fuel of any type, forecourt closed.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - sarah clark (1st Oct 2021 - 19:50:35) Sainsburys is currently getting a fuel delivery.....

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Andrew (1st Oct 2021 - 22:24:52) Pete….. It’s people buying more than they normally do that has caused this problem,and that is a result of the media and social networks making it a story, Not anything to do with anything else.. none of this just over a week ago and we have no more or less tanker drivers , it’s probably people like you that have helped this problem along , Andrew

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Pete (1st Oct 2021 - 23:58:11) Andrew, Thanks for correcting me with your expertise, so you saying the lorry driver shortage is totally fictional? It does not exist? And that the government adding army lorry drivers is just an April fools prank they are playing on us to cheer us up with a giggle? I think you will actually find that the media reported that some petrol stations couldn’t get deliveries and this was reported by the media as it was a fact. Which in turn had people concerned that there is a supply chain issues affecting something very important such as fuel and yes some but not all people did prepare themselves by filling up and now that has totally uncovered the seriousness of the supply.chain issues due to the lack of lorry drivers. Your getting your facts and the cause and effects mixed up here. Your suggesting that symptoms are the cause! I suppose you think mc Donald’s ran out pf millkshakes was the media, or that the cutting back of items on the menu of school dinners in Lancashire was because of Facebook or something. Try a bit harder not to expose your IQ, your embarrassing yourself

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Sam (2nd Oct 2021 - 06:54:09) Andrew, If this issue is caused purely by the media then why isn’t it happening in Ireland, France, Germany etc, for I can fully assure you the story of the UK running out of fuel at the pumps is all over European media.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Andrew (2nd Oct 2021 - 08:33:13) Did not say that there was not a shortage of drivers or some other companies had run out of products,what I said was it was t@@@@ like you who have made this problem with the petrol, or can you point me to a news story from a couple of weeks ago where there countrywide petrol shortages as there are now, See you soon in Sainsbury’s buying toilet roll and 4 turkeys

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Pete (2nd Oct 2021 - 10:45:12) Dunno why your angry with me, I haven’t had to get fuel since this all started.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - John (2nd Oct 2021 - 13:42:10) It’s very rainy outside today, caused by a low pressure system coming in from the Atlantic… Or If your name is Andrew, the rain was caused by the weather media reporting it.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Ian (2nd Oct 2021 - 17:45:11) Clearly John you are failing to understand this topic

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Sensible Person (2nd Oct 2021 - 18:29:34) I know it might be hard for people in this thread to believe, but it's likely that the shortage is caused by multiple factors, rather than a single one. Maybe in hypothetical theoretical examples in school school textbooks you can have simple correlation with a single cause and effect, but in the real world this is rarely the case. Is/was there a shortage of HGV drivers - yes, although this seems to be for other logistics more than fuel. Is this caused by Brexit - yes, but it's also caused by covid, low pay & poor working conditions, and people retiring amongst other things.Consider that apparently we are short 100,000 HGV drivers, and it is thought 15-20,000 left due to Brexit. So although in reality it doesn't work like that you could consider that Brexit is only causing 20% of the issue, the other 80% is coming form somewhere else. Is there a shortage at the pumps - Sort of, at times the pumps are empty so apparently there is, at other times people can get fuel. What would be interesting to see is the volume of fuel being bought. Post all garages running dry, is there less fuel being bought than normal due to shortages at the pump, or is just being bought in a different pattern? E.g if Sainsbury's normally get 3 tankers a week and that is what's happening now, they don't actually have any less fuel than pre-crisis they're just selling it in 12 hour blocks instead of 72 hour blocks. However some garages probably are getting less fuels, so it's likely to be a bit of both. As a simple model to consider what is happening, imagine that petrol stations are a bucket, cars filling up are holes in the bucket and deliveries are a tap filling the bucket. The system is very carefully balanced with no redundancy, in normal times the tap filling the bucket and the holes are flowing at the same rate, so the bucket stays at a constant level. Even prior to the chaos of the last week of so, there were delivery issues, the holes in the bucket were flowing faster than the tap filling it. It was slowly emptying, but not at a particularly noticeable rate, and the bucket was pretty full, so we didn't notice 50ml a day being lost from our 15 litre bucket. Suddenly last week comes and everyone rushes out and buys fuel, the bottom of the bucket was ripped out and it completely emptied. Now even with the holes returned to their normal rate, and the normal flow form the tap, the bucket an never fill, it will get some water in it which will immediately leak out. This is where we are now, the tap filling the bucket never changed, but when it was full and only losing a tiny bit of capacity no one noticed, once we emptied it, there is no coming back without some way of temporarily increasing the flow of the tap beyond what it normally is. So even everything being normal is not enough, to get us back to our previous state. If you prefer to think of it in terms of cars, imagine the average car has half a tank of fuel and fills up £20 a week. Suddenly everyone topped their tanks up, but they are still driving round and filling up £20 a week. That half a tank worth of fuel has been bought in addition to the normal amounts as the same amount of fuel is still being used and bought. Until a way is found to replace that the problem will persist. The problem is, people are still using fuel and want to buy it at

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Anon (2nd Oct 2021 - 21:39:48) I hope you l realise that the Government get 60p per litre in tax plus 20% VAT, So this should help the economy with all this panic buying.

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Peter (3rd Oct 2021 - 20:55:56) If Brexit hadnt happened then the fuel crisis wouldn’t have happened, you can spend all day looking for other excuses but if we had not left the EU then this fuel crisis would not have happened… end off The UK is the ONLY place this is occurring’!!’ The EU had the pandemic as well, so they have a fuel crisis NO

Re: Diesel...Sainsbury's petrol station - Andrew (4th Oct 2021 - 12:41:32) But we have left Peter, so it’s no good going on about it, you all had a chance to vote as you saw fit , so just get on with it and stop blaming.. Andrew

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