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Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Yellow Bannanna Adrian (1st Oct 2020  20:11:40) Could the 4x4 drivers remember that the highway code does apply to them and when at a roundabout you give way to traffic on the right. I was in the square early this morning, school time, and a driver cut across me at the roundabout and shook her head at me, when she was in the wrong. If you don't know your left from your right I'm sure you could have R and L tattooed to the back of your hands, it may help you.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Julie (1st Oct 2020  21:38:59) School run time seems to be a free for all. Parking all over the place, dropping off right on a junction, nightmare

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - k (2nd Oct 2020  10:50:49) Totally agree - behavior at our roundabouts is appalling - also do not block the roundabout with your car - the other afternoon I was coming home from work - needing to turn right over 10 cars 1 after another parked on roundabout causing me to not be able to move - resulting in long tail back down Portsmouth Road -This was also during school run - gross inconsideration.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - M (2nd Oct 2020  14:37:14) My understanding of the rules of a roundabout is to give way to traffic ON the roundabout coming from your right. So if they aren't on the roundabout you can move off. I'm not sure there is a rule that says not to block a roundabout if the traffic is stationary? If you wish to sit at the give way line until the roundabout is clear that's up to you, I for one always go when ever I can.... especially at peak time otherwise you'll sit there for ever!

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - PR (2nd Oct 2020  16:15:49) It is actually on or APPROACHING FROM THE RIGHT

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Richard (2nd Oct 2020  23:38:45) From the Highway Code: Mini Roundabouts Before entering the roundabout look to make sure traffic in front has moved off - if you cannot exit the roundabout without causing an obstruction do NOT enter the roundabout.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Grant (3rd Oct 2020  07:37:18) In my opinion it is the drivers who: 1. Unable to judge distance and speed. 2. Sitting at the roundabout doing their makeup (gender neutral speaking of course) 3. Don't signal. 4. Driving ability is sub standard. 5. Hesitate and therefore hold up the traffic. People, love each other and embrace the chaos of the roundabout. Look, signal, manoeuvre And GET A MOVE ON.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - M (3rd Oct 2020  15:23:46) @Richard Can you copy and paste a link to your quote please as I'm unable to locate it online in the Highway Code. It does say to check traffic has moved off in front of you before moving (which I take to mean moving into the roundabout) but I can't see anywhere where it says not to enter the roundabout if your exit isn't clear. I believe that is a box junction, not a roundabout? Would be nice to see it in writing that I've been doing it all wrong for 40 years.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Penny Williamson (3rd Oct 2020  16:44:10) The Highway Code quotes “Check the traffic has moved off in front of you before you proceed to enter the roundabout” and I think it is the word proceed that is important and easily misinterpreted. To proceed means “begin a course of action” and I take this to mean as Richard says you must make sure that the road ahead is clear before beginning to move on to the roundabout, because if you do not and the car ahead of you is still on the roundabout. leaving enough room for another car to enter, then you are effectively blocking the roundabout. I would be interested to read other comments on this.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Helen (3rd Oct 2020  18:50:40) But the point is all this Highway Code nonsense is beyond the capabilities of those 4WD mums, most of whom can barely see over the steering wheel.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - M (4th Oct 2020  06:09:10) @ Penny and Richard The Highway Code I'm reading on line says: "look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off." Nothing about not blocking a roundabout, proceeding or, I admit, where you would be positioned before "moving off". My interpretation is look forward before moving off onto the roundabout. Over the years I've seen many people who run into the back of others because they're looking right at traffic on the roundabout and not also checking the car in front of them has "moved onto the roundabout" before they do. It comes down to drivers being confident and taking positive action, and not just sitting there waiting for a massive gap to appear. Interested to hear what others think.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Penny Williamson (4th Oct 2020  10:28:49) M The Highway Code says: Section 185 explains what you should do when you reach the roundabout. Again it is important to be aware of the traffic around you and look out for road users who may be signalling incorrectly or in some cases not signalling at all! When reaching a roundabout you should: Always give priority to the traffic coming from the right, unless you have been directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights Check if the road markings allow you to proceed without giving way (always look right before joining just in case) Watch out for other road users on the roundabout Check the traffic has moved off in front of you before you proceed to enter the roundabout. As I said the word proceed means to "begin a process" in this case only if the car in front you has moved off. Common sense should tell drivers that if the car in front cannot proceed enough, because of traffic in front of him/her, to let another car clear the exit, that driver should not proceed as in doing so he/she would be blocking the roundabout. I did not say that the word "blocking" was in the Highway Code. I have been behind drivers who can see that the car in front cannot move forward enough to let another car clear the exit and yet they still pull out, sit on the roundabout thereby block the exit on their left and cause a gridlock. This is particularly prevalent at school "drop off" and "pick up" times.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Ian (4th Oct 2020  10:54:25) OAP drivers much bigger problem, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the impact of old age on their faculties leading to total lack of awareness of danger they are on our roads. Definitely need a mandatory aged driver testing regime for the over 70’s

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - M (4th Oct 2020  13:25:39) @ Penny et all Thanks for your reply. I have been checking online and looking at the latest Highway Code this is what I find in relation to Rule 185 and Rule 188: 185 When reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off. 188 Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this. Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1) These are from the current 2020 Highway Code, wording just about the same as yours except for the last point in rule 185. I'm still of the view it relates to moving onto the roundabout, and not when on the roundabout, and don't see an issue in entering a roundabout even if your exit isn't clear. We can all interpret the wording differently, and if you think differently to me then that's fine, but I don't think you can complain if someone (like me) blocks the roundabout, as long as they are intending to go around it and are signalling accordingly. Think we'll have to agree to disagree :-)

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Penny Williamson (4th Oct 2020  17:43:04) @M Actually I think I have every right to complain if you are on the roundabout unable to proceed and blocking cars to your left who, if you were not blocking their way, would be able to proceed on their journey. Selfish springs to mind.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - k (5th Oct 2020  11:30:56) To M & Grant - I certainly don't choose to sit at the roundabout wanting to turn right - what do you want me to do - Drive through the car that is broadside blocking the roundabout - I don't have a Star Trek style cloaking device that allows me to pass through solid objects. I am asking for other road users to use their common sense & not prevent the free flow of traffic! Hence why you should not move on to a roundabout if you can not exit it. Thank you for all of you, that seem to understand the Highway code & your support on this matter.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Mary (5th Oct 2020  14:48:27) Ian, lovely ageist post, pity I won’t be here to see how you develop as a driver when, and if, you reach pensionable age. I decided I had seen enough abuse of older drivers and took myself off for training - I passed my ROSPA advanced motoring test and got a top gold pass aged 82. I retake the exam every 3 years. If you could do that now, then I would respect your opinion. I know of a white van professional driver of 50 who only scraped a bronze.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Ian (5th Oct 2020  15:28:02) Well done Mary and good for you, you’re clearly not the type of OAP driver I’m referring to and also are perhaps a good example of the benefits of why us oldens should be required to take regular competency tests

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Old driver (5th Oct 2020  15:46:37) Well said Mary Ian does talk a lot of?... some times. I still tow a caravan at nearly 80 it’s not the oldies that’s the problem it’s the young now it alls that speed around the village.Common sense on roundabouts keep the traffic flowing and USE your INDICATORS.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Richard (5th Oct 2020  19:33:35) Old Driver Why are you towing a caravan at 80? Speed limits 70 - 60 with a caravan.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - richard (5th Oct 2020  20:14:40) Not if it on private land...

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Ann (5th Oct 2020  20:22:49) Richard, old driver is nearly 80 years of age not the speed he does with his caravan 😂

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Old Driver (5th Oct 2020  20:36:21) HA HA Richard 65 MPH just to keep in front of the lorries. Except for those that have doctored their speed limiters above the 58 MPH limit they are supposed to do.

Re: Idiot 4x4 Drivers - Joe (6th Oct 2020  10:52:00) The advice in the Highway code seems clear enough I would not enter the mini roundabout if another car is blocking my exit. Apart from lorries most cars do not take long to exit a mini roundabout.

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