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Inconsiderate people - David (24th Apr 2020  17:24:02) Can the inconsiderate morons who have recently started using our local countryside consider others and respect the environment. The path leading to the fields passed Silent Garden is now a multi coloured collage of dogshit bags. The farmers field is being used by halfwit families to entertain the kids as if its perfectly acceptable to ruin crop. Please consider others

Re: Inconsiderate people - M (24th Apr 2020  19:52:20) Walking on Bramshott Common yesterday, as part of my daily exercise, I noticed that there were several dog poo bags left on the pathways. Dog walkers please please take your bags home or place them in the EHDC dog waste bins. There is no need to leave them in the countryside where they will be around to pollute the land for many years. To leave them in the countryside is both an eyesore and potentially harmful to wildlife. I am sure that it is a very small percentage of guilty dog walkers, but those who do not take a responsible attitude are spoiling the walks of other law abiding people.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Jen (25th Apr 2020  01:18:20) It's a pity that the farmer can't put a barbed wire or electric fence around his/her field to shield it from the idiots mentioned in David's post! How demoralising it must be to have worked hard to plant and nurture a crop only to have it wantonly damaged by people too stupid or too selfish care.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Dog walker (25th Apr 2020  08:55:24) Question to M, where exactly are these EHDC dog waste bins? There are none at Iron Hill, Chappel Common, Weavers Down, many other popular dog walking areas. In fact compared to other areas I have visited, doggie waste provision is terrible in our area. One for the Parish Council? What actually happens when you have a dog, is that when you take it for a walk it wants to go to the loo almost immediately. A bin near the entrance would solve dog waste problem entirely. In absence of said bin, responsible dog walkers pick up the waste and carry a smelly bag on a beautiful scenic walk for an hour? I donā€™t think so. What people actually do is leave it where it is and collect at the end of the walk. Now I must confess I may on occasion have forgotten all about it, or taken a different route, and bag sits where it was left. Very rare but it does happen to the best of us. How to improve the situation for all - easy, more doggie waste bins.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Ian (25th Apr 2020  09:08:45) @ Dog Walker- you disgusting selfish creature!

Re: Inconsiderate people - Jen (25th Apr 2020  09:46:46) @dogwalker Whether or not a bin is provided is immaterial: you should dispose of your own dogs' waste responsibly. That means training it to poo in your back garden, if you have one, and taking bags with you when out walking in case the dog needs to poo when out. If there happens to be a bin provided, then you can of course use that but if there is no bin nearby then you should carry the poo bag with you (or put it in your pocket or a backpack or any other means of carrying it) until you either reach a suitable bin where you can dispose of it, or until you get home, where you can dispose of it properly. If you're not prepared to do that then I would suggest that you are not suited to owning a dog, as it's part and parcel of responsible ownership.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Jimmy (25th Apr 2020  10:03:08) Why?? Why do dog walkers think it is the parish councils job to get rid of their dog waste .take it home.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Penny Williamson (25th Apr 2020  10:24:02) During the current crisis we have been walking more exploring footpaths only driving short distances to vary our walks. It has been our experience that Liphook and Bramshott have more pooh bags littering the paths than any other area where we have recently walked. It seems to be a Liphook epidemic and truly disgusting. To Dog Walker yes I agree you are disgusting. If you cannot be responsible for your own pooh filled pooh bag then actually it is probably better that you flick or kick your dog's excrement into the undergrowth as far away from the footpath as possible. This is NOT IDEAL but better than leaving the bags filled with pooh on the paths or worse still hanging in trees. In addition if your dog poohs immediately on being let out suggest it poohs in your own garden and then take it for a walk. If you don't have a garden then you have a problem, one of your own making by deciding to have a dog under those circumstances - take responsibility for your own actions and that of your dog.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Countryman (25th Apr 2020  10:33:39) Well said Ian what is it with dog people if you have a dog you look after it smells and all. Under no circumstances do You leave dog poo anywhere take it home.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Anon (25th Apr 2020  12:18:37) Thereā€™s a dog poo bin at the bramshott car park but thereā€™s still an obscene amount of muck not picked up so Iā€™m not sure more bins is the answer. Itā€™s very difficult to get people to change mentality with this. In defence of dog walker, she/he is picking it up and the bag it and pick it up on the way back is understandable. Why people bag it and fling it into the hedge is completely beyond me though. As for tying it in a tree?wtf

Re: Inconsiderate people - er (25th Apr 2020  13:01:30) It's not ok to leave your dog poo in a bag by a footpath and go off anywhere even if you are hoping to return at a time in the future to retrieve it (I promise, honest!), it's a charter for chaos! Dog walkers wouldn't be happy if we poo'd and left it in a little bag by the side of the footpath....

Re: Inconsiderate people - C.G (25th Apr 2020  15:20:45) JUST TAKE IT WITH YOU ITS YOURS !

Re: Inconsiderate people - D (25th Apr 2020  16:18:08) This is a perfect example of people not being brought up to be socially responsible these days. Buy when I raised the issue on previous posts I was criticised. Oh well...

Re: Inconsiderate people - P (25th Apr 2020  16:35:28) I remember in 1970ā€™s a person who lived near always walked her dog and it pooped on lawn or pavement near my house. After many times of having to clean childrenā€™s shoes and bike wheels I had had enough. Watched for walker when it happened again, I told them ā€œI was going to bring my children down to poo on their lawnā€ she was not happy but stopped the problem.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Dog walker (25th Apr 2020  16:59:25) Ok Iā€™ll bite , woof! In just my humble experience, not all dog walkers pick up their puppies poop. Sad but true. Ranting on here wonā€™t change that. Places where I have seen zero poop left on path round here = Hogmoor enclosure. Why? Because at every entrance is a poop bin (and actually bags provided too). So again imvho, bins make a big difference and can change peopleā€™s behaviour for the better. I am not claiming to be perfect but I do what I can.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Ian (25th Apr 2020  17:47:29) Coming back to this as Iā€™m sure Dog Walker is just a troll looking to provoke a reaction BUT, to any dog owner that thinks it is acceptable to bag up and then leave your dog Sh1t for someone else to collect, you are complete utter scum bags who absolutely should not have a dog, no justification at all for your disgusting selfishness !

Re: Inconsiderate people - Joe (25th Apr 2020  20:17:38) The cost of having pooh bins on every countryside footpath dotted along would be enormous- a contractor to the council would then spend hours emptying the bins in multiple locations. Also a dog who is not getting enough walking is likely to pooh immediately not a dog that gets enough exercise.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Jon (25th Apr 2020  22:45:13) Some of the residents of Silent Garden have already been in touch with EHDC regarding this particular issue. Unfortunately there is a lot of buck-passing going on: - Cove Homes would install a bin near/along the Silent Garden footpath if arrangements could be made to empty it. - EHDC say they can't empty it because the roads (The Firs, Silent Garden Road) are not adopted. That excuse doesn't make any sense given that the binmen manage OK on these unadopted roads every week. Whoever empties the other litter/dog bins around Liphook should also be able to access these unadopted roads. - The Parish Council don't want the responsibility of emptying a bin because of the ongoing cost - they obviously don't want to touch their cash and short-term investment mountain, which according to last year's audit stood at nearly Ā£417,000 ( bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Notice-of-Conclusion-of-Audit-2018-19.pdf Given the amount of extra Council Tax the District and Parish Councils receive as a result of all the new homes in Liphook, it's disappointing they won't spend some it on things that could improve the various areas around Liphook that a lot of people use every day.

Re: Inconsiderate people - D (26th Apr 2020  07:47:34) Why should any public employee have to go round emptying bins full of dog s**t? Why should the public have to tolerate these unhygienic eyesores in public places? The handling and removal of dog s**t is the owner's responsibility and no-one else's. If you are unable to accept that responsibility then don't have a dog. It's bad enough that bin men have to empty bins full of babies used nappies, I really don't think they should be dealing with your dog's s**t as well.

Re: Inconsiderate people - John (26th Apr 2020  08:28:34) Ironically there are about 7 bins around the millennium green. Itā€™s a shame one or more of them couldnā€™t be out in more spread out locations. Having said that, if there are no bins then keep walking with your poo bag until you find one. I am a dog walker and thatā€™s what I do. It sometimes takes a while but thereā€™s always a bin somewhere eventually, even if thatā€™s the one at your house.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Fina (26th Apr 2020  09:46:34) Where does D expect dog owners to put their waste if its not fair on the bin men? Actually D if its so terrible that they have to collect babies nappies where do you think we should put that as well? What exactly do you think bin men collect? Maybe household waste? I would much rather spend time with a dog than listen to D's utter nonsense. Grow up and devise a proper argument.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Anon (26th Apr 2020  10:22:31) Better to not pick the shit up at all if your going to litter the countryside with plastic covered shit

Re: Inconsiderate people - Re (26th Apr 2020  10:23:26) Well said D & John. Spot on . Why should taxpayers pay for dog owners too lazy to take their dog poo home. If you have a dog you look after it .

Re: Inconsiderate people - M (26th Apr 2020  11:11:21) @Jon Well done for looking into a Dog Bin near Silent Garden. If you're having no joy with the local councils why not all get together and supply one yourselves? Go around all the homes and those with dogs could do a rota to empty it every week, job done. And before you say it's not all resident of Silent Garden all I'd say is the problem didn't exist (to the extent it does now) before the Silent garden homes were built. It's pretty obvious it's the minority of Silent Garden residents with dogs who are causing the issue? See Dog Walkers post above! Better still let the dog crap in your own garden before you take it for a walk, and if it craps while you're out, PICK IT UP AND TAKE IT HOME!!!!

Re: Inconsiderate people - D (26th Apr 2020  12:10:05) Fina, dog waste could be collected by a hazardous waste contractor. You are absolutely right when you say bin men collect household waste. But babies nappies are, surely, sewage. A solution to this could be not to use disposable nappies. If you can't engage in correspondence without recourse to personal insults then maybe you should refrain from the former.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Ian (26th Apr 2020  16:46:24) Perhaps it is the right time that a dog licence and fee scheme is reintroduced by local authorities with the funds then being used exclusively to provide dog poo bins, collection and dog warden enforcement with meaningful penalties!

Re: Inconsiderate people - Sarah (26th Apr 2020  18:43:54) I too contact Cove Homes about the siting of a bin near the path, they passed the buck to the council who said it could not be done as the roads were unadopted and that there was a bin at the Portsmouth Road junction so that was enough. Surely this should have been sorted at the planning stage? The council made Cove homes install a hard path surface so were expecting a lot more foot traffic, yet no provision for rubbish. Not just dog waste, general rubbish has hugely increased since the Silent Garden development was completed. None of this takes away from how vile it is to leave dog poo bags and any other rubbish along such a lovely walk.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Anon (26th Apr 2020  20:43:50) The issue at Silent Garden is one of cost. Cove weā€™re quite willing to install poo bins but the council expected them to take responsibility and finance the emptying of same bins forever. They could have added the cost to the estate management contribution costs but this would have meant all the residents having to pay to clean up dog mess, regardless to whether they have a dog! Ultimately we all pay local taxes to local authorities so itā€™s a bit of a cheek that the local council want to shift the responsibility and cost for this onto others

Re: Inconsiderate people - Grant (26th Apr 2020  21:38:36) If the road is not adopted it may be that the developer has not completed all the works for Hampshire highways to complete the adoption. If it's a private road then it's Hampshire had no requirement to maintain etc. Check your legal agreement?

Re: Inconsiderate people - Pussy cat (26th Apr 2020  23:26:29) I wonder how many of you abusive ā€˜dog owner hatersā€™ own sweet little pussy cats...that merrily wonder off into neighbouring peoples gardens and sh1t in their flower beds, lawns etc...donā€™t see any of you offering to go check and pick it up?? At least dog walker bags their dogs waste! Typical Liphook moaners on here yet again.

Re: Inconsiderate people - D (27th Apr 2020  06:34:52) Hello Pussy cat, do you mean WANDER off? I agree with you, other people's cats defacating in my garden is equally unacceptable and I think there should be provision within the law to prosecute cat owners who allow their cats to do so. I own neither cats nor dogs but I do own other animals. My animals do not defacate in public places or in other people's gardens. My animals do not cause inconvenience, nuisance or health hazard to anyone. I do not expect public money to be wasted on someone else clearing up my animal's excrement. Given how many dog and cat owners do not appear to take the responsible attitude towards their animals as I do mine, I'll moan all I want. Thank you.

Re: Inconsiderate people - OLLIE (27th Apr 2020  08:22:02) Cats are free to roam by law & as for some dog walkers who pick up & bag the poo great! just don't lob it into the trees or hedges you peasants.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Dave (27th Apr 2020  09:33:24) Some well known people who also did not like cats Hitler Napoleon Stalin Thatcher It is well know that Cats are free roaming and are often owned by people with a more relaxed and tolerant nature. Whereas dog owners need to feel loved and respected but demand obedience and have a need to control.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Fat B (27th Apr 2020  11:41:11) @dave, aye but Dr Evil had a cat as I recall, so I mean that's a swings and roundabouts game you're playing there

Re: Inconsiderate people - Jen (27th Apr 2020  12:33:23) I am in complete agreement with D on all of these issues.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Pussy Cat (27th Apr 2020  12:58:10) Goodness, I thought it was the sun shining that caused all the bright skies in Liphook, seems it could be somebodyā€™s Halo instead!! Anyway, D, It seems you truly are a fine example to us all... Thank you.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Victoria (27th Apr 2020  20:25:25) Wow, maybe you should collect some pitchforks for your dog owner bashing! It feels that a fair amount of your collective aggression is aimed towards the residents of our estate primarily just for living here. (guessing some of you still haven't got over the erection of our estate) As a resident of Silent Garden for 3 yrs, and of the village for 20yrs and a dog owner I would politely point out that plenty of people who don't live on our estate walk their dogs on the public footpath past the farmers fields. I was also point out that various residents of our estate have taken it upon themselves to clear the dog poop bags. I agree that leaving poop bags anywhere other than a bin is revolting and the bags should be taken home and disposed of, but please can we not blame all dog owners for the inconsiderate behaviour of the few.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Doggy (28th Apr 2020  08:32:43) Dogs truly are a man's best friend. I love my dog and always will. There is a lot of nasty people on this group and in this community. Shame on you all....

Re: Inconsiderate people - D (28th Apr 2020  09:59:14) Hello Doggy, I'm sorry if you are offended at my disapproval of cat and dog owners allowing their animals to defacate in other people's gardens and in public places. I really don't think holding this opinion makes me a nasty person nor do I feel any shame. I would feel ashamed, through, if an animal belonging to me defacated in someone else's garden or in a public place. I would feel VERY ashamed.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Jen (28th Apr 2020  11:13:54) @victoria Nobody has been "dog owner bashing"! People are at liberty to own a dog and nobody is criticising anyone for being a dog owner per se. What many of us are objecting to though is the littering of footpaths and countryside with plastic bags full of dog poo by some dog walkers because they either can't be bothered or don't want to dispose of it properly. We've also questioned the need for dog poo bins all over the place when the dogs' owners can easily take their bags of poo home and dispose of them there. Surely you would agree that neither of those views is at all unreasonable?

Re: Inconsiderate people - Ex dog owner (28th Apr 2020  12:44:16) You are quite correct Jen having lived on a farm and had dogs . I am appalled at the people that are not responsible for their dogs.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Andy (21st Jul 2020  12:42:30) At the risk of sparking anti dog sentiment, can I plead with dog owners please to take their dog waste home with them for disposal. Please do not put your pet's waste bags in the nearest dustbin you come across, I don't want your waste in my bin! It is not clever and it is not funny.

Re: Inconsiderate people - Rita (23rd Jul 2020  10:11:04) If you have a dog it's your responsibility to clean up poop. You don't leave it as an offering to the tree god by tying it to a tree or leave it tied up and chuck it on the ground. If no bins are available you take it home with you and put in your bin. Not rocket science is it. Dogs cannot clean up their own mess - it's your responsibility!

Re: Inconsiderate people - Penny Williamson (25th Jul 2020  09:30:27) Totally agree Rita.

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