Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mike (30th Aug 2020 - 21:25:09)
Yet another article on the front page of the current Liphook Herald about plans for housing in Liphook. It says THE EMERGING Bramshott and Liphook Neighbourhood Development Plan is expected to make provision for a minimum of about 645 new homes. And then it talks about plans for 600 houses on land at Bohunt Manor owned by Brian Cox and Foley Manor owned by Richard Northcott.
So who do we believe? There is no application for houses on Foley Manor on EHDC’s website.. But there was an application by Mr Northcott at Foley Lodge at the end of last year. The application says this
Householder Application for Planning Permission for works or extension to a dwelling.
Town and Country Planning Act 1990
.
1. Site Address
Property name Foley Lodge
Address line 1 Foley Manor
Address line 2 Foley Estate Lane
Address line 3
Town/city Liphook
Postcode GU30 7JF
Description
Foley Lodge is the first property on the N-E of the Foley Estate Road when entered from the Portsmouth Road across Wheatsheaf Common
2. Applicant Details
Title Mr
First name Francis Richard
Surname Northcott
Company name
Address line 1 Foley Manor
Address line 2 Foley Estate Lane
Address line 3
Town/city Liphook
Planning Portal Reference: PP-08033414
Agent Details
Title Ms
First name Chantal
Surname Foo
Company name Lawson Architecture Commercial Limited
Address line 1 4 London Road
Town/city Liphook
Postcode GU30 7AN
So the agent for Mr Northcott is Ms Chantal Foo, who is the Chair of the NDP Committee!
The NDP website says that the Committee first met in July 2016, more than FOUR YEARS AGO!
Can someone on the Parish Council please tell us what is happening. Is the Neighbourhood Development Plan going to make provision for 645 houses and where?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Tom Hotspur (30th Aug 2020 - 22:29:50)
Oh, my goodness These people have no shame whatsoever!
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (30th Aug 2020 - 22:48:17)
Thanks for making a link Mike. It should not be that the chair of the NDP has a client of her business who is also trying to persuade the Neighbourhood Plan to endorse his plans for 600 houses. I wonder if Chantal Foo has declared her interest to her colleages working on the plan?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Me (31st Aug 2020 - 09:58:06)
I wonder if Mr Roger Miller a Neighbourhood Plan committee member and an active member of SOS Bohunt Manor also informed the committee of his work to get any development on this site refused.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Bridget the elder (31st Aug 2020 - 13:46:26)
I attended that meeting which was interesting yes two people withdrew one I think was Trotter and the other was Roger Miller. It turned out that the proposal put forward by Roger Miller was put together by his working group for the site to be used for recreational/community use, but would go no further as it was not endorsed by the developer.
I was under the impression that provided the NDP put forward a few sites for houses with the best community benefits, I may be wrong but I have in my mind it was 10 houses. By putting forward an NDP that had sites increased by the minimum amount above those sites put forward by EHDC/SDNP then the council would qualify for the increased CIL. By finalizing the NDP now would eliminate any further expenditure above the high cost so far of the NDP.
Another point I think is worth raising that an NDP has to be reviewed every 5 years. would this review cost any more money? in other words, are we going to get more for the increased CIL's than the cost of this review every 5 years?
May someone can enlighten me as to whether that is correct?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mike (31st Aug 2020 - 13:56:26)
Isn't that the real problem. Half the people on the committee have friends or clients who want to make money from building hundreds of houses and the other half want to stop them!
When she joined the committee in July 2016 did Cllr Rebecca Standish tell the other members that she was living at Foley Lodge at the entrance to Mr Northcott's estate? See her bankruptcy order showing this at
And when he joined the committee at the same time did the owner of Westlands tell the other members that he wanted to build houses on his land immediately beside Mr Northcott's?
How can we trust the committee ever to finish the plan?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mr Roger Miller (31st Aug 2020 - 14:33:27)
For the attention of ‘Me’
I note your comments regarding my membership of the SOS Bohunt Manor Community Action Group.
For your information the NDP Steering Group members do not assess sites for development. This has been carried out by the consultants AECOM who were appointed by the NDP to provide an independent assessment of site options throughout the Parish following the NDP’s ‘Call for Sites’.
In this document you will note that South Downs National Park adopted Local Plan (2019): Section 4.27 The plan makes provision for 4,750 homes in the period up to 2033, however, no housing is allocated in Bramshott and Liphook Parish.
and
The Land in the SDNP at Bohunt Manor and South of Longmoor Road are assessed by AECOM as ‘not suitable for residential development’.
The Steering Group has working parties reviewing many aspects of our community.
These aspects are Access & Movement Policies, Sports & Recreation Policies, Heritage & Design, Housing Policies, Public Services Policies, Community Policies and Employment Policies.
The word ‘Development’ within the title of NDP concerns all the above policies; not only housing!
I chair of the Heritage and Design Working Party which is not involved with residential locations and numbers.
I hope that you can see that my input into the NDP Steering Group has been unbiased.
However I would be happy to meet you discuss the subject further and look forward to hearing from you.
I would recommend that you attend the NDP Steering Group public meetings once they resume after the present pandemic restrictions.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Eric Benson (1st Sep 2020 - 18:45:20)
Please see my comments on the Referendum thread.
Eric
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mike (3rd Sep 2020 - 12:49:44)
Thanks Roger and Eric for your thoughts.
And Eric for saying you live on the Berg estate
The problem is that members of the Chiltley Lane Action Group or residents of the Berg estate seem to want to have houses built on Bohunt Manor instead of the Highfield Lane site.
Actually if houses were built on Bohunt Manor it would be the start of urban sprawl in Liphook and Highfield Lane would be next.
At the moment SDNPA will refuse any application on Bohunt Manor and Longmoor Road and EHDC are not proposing houses on Highfield Lane. We should be very happy about that and the NDP committee should get on with proposing smaller sites and get the plan done!
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident (3rd Sep 2020 - 13:46:04)
How do. You work that out Mike Bohunt Manor is 500 yards. From the centre of Liphook.If all of Liphook Parrish was in The National Park this site would be top of the list for development. With all the gains from it the National Park would put it top of the list. Not rocket science looking at a map.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - A.R (3rd Sep 2020 - 14:54:37)
Utter rubbish Mike. Bohunt housing would be less of an urban sprawl than anywhere else developed in Liphook. You must be looking at a different map to the rest of us.
Housing should be turned down on the Highfield site as any traffic would access the village over the railway bridge, on the Midhurst road. Any Councillor who agrees to that would be very foolhardy as it would cause immense problems.
It is about time SDNP backed down from their ludicrous stance on this land.. We have plenty of common land around us , Lynchmere, Hindhead, Chappell Common, Marley Common, Conford, Bramshott. The list goes on. We are so lucky to have these beautiful walks around here and these are the real places that should be preserved.
Some of the people against this development must have a personal agenda.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - rolli (3rd Sep 2020 - 16:33:57)
AR - some of the people that support this proposal must have an agenda!
Also though, many of us do not support this proposal simply because we like our village as it is now and do not want to see it change significantly.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident (3rd Sep 2020 - 16:40:53)
Roger Miller
You stated on this thread 31st August that:
"In this document you will note that South Downs National Park adopted Local Plan (2019): Section 4.27 The plan makes provision for 4,750 homes in the period up to 2033"
This is shocking, as:
1. it is out now that the South Downs National Park DOES permit new housing within the National Park. This is contrary to what many others seems to post on this forum.
2. your group should have supported housing at Bohunt Manor some years back, as it would mean;
a.) we would not now be contemplating 100 houses at the Chicken Farm which will ruin lives for us on the Berg estate
b.) the scope for some 600 homes in Highfield Lane, if that comes about - the article mentions '645 new houses', would be a disaster for Liphook
c.) the popular Bohunt Manor scheme could have given so much to the village, not just houses and deserves the support of everyone who has the best interests of Liphook at heart.
As it turns out, it appears to me that your group has let the people of Liphook down. Badly.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - A.R (3rd Sep 2020 - 17:29:05)
Rolli, I too care about Liphook , hence planning should have been given years ago for this development instead of building further and further down the Longmoor road.
My family have been here for a very long time and my grandmother had a house built along the Haslemere road after the farm went. I remember the Candy Box, the traction engines amassing in the fields where the A3 now is. I went to Liphook girls school for a while, which is now the library. Days spent at the rec on the witches hat, so yes I do have an interest in Liphook.
I also volunteered to help out at a few meetings of the neighbourhood plan. I have been to all meetings included the Midhurst debacle. I have had many discussions with some of the Parish councillors who oppose it. Where they born here ? I was , and have spent most of my life here.
I have no interest in who the developer is only that any development in Liphook should make sense. Take a look around Liphook and see some of the less sensical decisions made.
So Rolli I put it to you WHY are they so against this but have no qualms about other developments ?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (3rd Sep 2020 - 17:39:13)
Not to same Resident that posted about Roger Miller.But do Agree with them .
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (3rd Sep 2020 - 18:06:04)
Rolli we would all like Liphook. to stay the same but unfortunately this cannot be. But as AR has said we that were born here and have lived all our lives here do no a lot about Liphook we love Liphook. I think the vast majority of people that have voted for the Bohunt Manor site love Liphook they want. the best for Liphook and this site IS The Best For Liphook all the other sites will do much harm to our lovely village. If and when we get some ring roads around the Square then perhaps they can build on the other sites many years on.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident (3rd Sep 2020 - 19:58:09)
The Bohunt Manor proposals a few years ago were an absolute gift to the community.
We have all missed out on so much because it was refused.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - SOS Bohunt Manor Community Action Group (3rd Sep 2020 - 20:48:26)
‘Resident’
The SOS Bohunt Manor Community Action Group was formed in 2013 after a well-attended public meeting held on 9th July 2013 in the Millennium Hall where the development proposals were presented by the owner’s consultants. You will note from the BBC video reports detailed below that there was overwhelming desire from the members of the public present to resist the proposals.
BBC South Today excerpt 9th July 2013 AM
A group of residents decided to form the SOS Bohunt Manor Community Action Group to coordinate the objections.
The aim of the Group was and still is to protect Liphook’s Gateway to the South Downs National Park and uphold the principles of the Park ensuring the cultural heritage, landscape, beauty and wildlife are preserved for future generations.
An application was made to develop the land in 2015 which was refused by the South Downs National Park Authority on 9th July 2015.
Many local people registered their objections and objections were also sent by the Parish Council, RSPB, The South Downs Society, Hampshire and IOW Wildlife Trust, Bramshott & Liphook Preservation Society and The River Wey Trust
Since then the South Downs National Park Authority Local Plan has been adopted.
In the Talkback article the reference to the numbers of houses to be built in the National Park Local Plan makes provision for 4,750 homes in the 13 year period up to 2033. It must be appreciated that this number is spread throughout the whole of the National Park which stretches from Winchester in the west to Eastbourne in the east.
The SDNPA Local Plan was open for public consultation where comments were sent in by members of the public.
All residents had plenty of opportunity to comment on this Local Plan prior to finalisation as part of the democratic process. It is disappointing when so many residents do not comment to make their views known!
This is also the case with regard to the East Hampshire District Council Local Plan which is nearing completion.
We do not accept your comment that :-
‘As it turns out, it appears to me that your group has let the people of Liphook down. Badly.’
The facts speak differently!
During the last week or so when the Harrow Estates proposals were published we have had many responses from residents supporting our Group which reflects the reasons for our formation seven years ago.
This petition was not started by the SOS Bohunt Manor Community Action Group, but we are encouraging as many residents as possible to send in their support.
Should a planning application be made by Harrow Estates our organisation will comment in great detail with supporting evidence.
We and our supporters have lived in the Parish for many years. We want to ensure that our part of the South Downs National Park remains as originally intended and agreed at the Public Enquiry prior to the National Park’s establishment in April 2010.
We will not be commenting again on these Talkback posts because we consider that the online debate has been going on too long.
Should you require further information about the SOS Bohunt Manor Community Action Group please visit our web site www.sosbohuntmanor.co.uk. It gives a background to the history, past news, WWF Involvement, South Downs National Park and much more.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mike (3rd Sep 2020 - 22:33:27)
Hi resident, I'm not sure which one I'm replying to - it would be helpful to know where they live. There is nothing wrong with trying to protect where you live - so-called NIMBYISM is entirely normal.
For the record I do not live near Highfield Lane, the Chicken Farm or Bohunt Manor. I do live near Longmoor Road but nowhere near Westlands Park would be if it was ever built. I have used the Longmoor Road to get to the station for many years, well before the new A3 was built. So I was all in favour of a link between Longmoor Road and Station Road until I realised that would mean 600 houses and 1200 more cars blocking up the centre of Liphook, including this new link road.
Resident 1, I think!, said that if the whole Parish was in the National Park Bohunt Manor would be top of its list for development. That's exactly the point - it is not and would not be on its list at all! The SDNPA said that Bohunt Manor was included in the Park because of its landscape value, that is the view across the fields to the hills beyond, and looking the other way towards Liphook. That is what is protecting this part of Liphook from development confirmed by the Feria report paid for by the Parish Council, and confirmed by the independent AECOM Report.
The Highfield Lane site is immediately beside the boundary of the National Park, but the wrong side! If it was in the National Park it would get even more protection than it has already. But it would certainly be a prime example of urban sprawl if it was ever developed. The point I was trying to make is that we can and should stop both these developments whether in the National Park or not.
Finally the SDNPA has made it quite clear that they will only approve major development as part of existing towns like Petersfield. They have said repeatedly, backed up by the government, that there will be no major development in areas of the Parks selected for their scenic value. Bohint Manor and Weavers Down are two of them. Hurray!
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (3rd Sep 2020 - 23:02:58)
Are you saying that people who were not born here can have no say on where houses should go unless they agree with building in the SDNPas part of Liphook?
I moved from my last house in another village 30 years ago because of overdevelopment there. I do not want to have to move again.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (4th Sep 2020 - 07:00:21)
In response to A.R.'s post I agree absolutely. I have been in Liphook all my life as were my grandparents after being bombed out of Portsmouth (hence my post on being "put here by the council" on another thread which Liz clearly did not understand at all). I feel that we are now being told how Liphook should be by people who, relatively speaking, haven't been here five minutes. I now know how Native Americans and Aborigines felt when the white man arrived in America and Australia. (Are we still allowed to say "white man" these days?) I have tried attending parish council planning meetings in an attempt to contribute to the planning process but I found when I said something which didn't favour the parish council's position I was immediately silenced. (Well, they tried to!)
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Tom Hotspur (4th Sep 2020 - 10:13:32)
Factually individuals have been manoeuvred into positions of influence without declaring pecuniary or other interests. Their aim is to shamelessly promote these massive developments. I find it chilling that anyone who dares to express an opposing view is vilified, ridiculed, and closed down. More disturbing is that a certain political party and EHDC appear to be colluding in protecting various disreputable individuals.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (4th Sep 2020 - 10:26:20)
Joe twisting words again it doesn’t matter if you have lived here for a day or all your life the end result is what matters.I presume you fought tooth and nail at your last village to save it. That’s exactly what we are doing no one wants more Houses it would be lovely if that was so . But our EHDC council wants to build houses in totality the wrong place. If they get their way and build on the wrong side of the Square we will lose are greatest asset The Conservation Square that’s what we are trying to save. Mike if all of the Parrish was in the National Park and we have to have more houses then Bohunt Manor would be First Choice because of all of the Benefits it would bring No Way will it impact on the Square.If it would stop more houses being built in Liphook I would gladly run around Liphook in my birthday suit God Forbid.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (4th Sep 2020 - 11:04:28)
Where I lived before was not included in the SDNPA because it had already been too built up. That is why I am glad to live in/near an area with some protection from development. And the square has some very inappropriate additions to it. Allowing the Anchor to put up all the signs andsome other modern buildings hardly fit a conservation area. By making remarks about newcomers to liphook you show yourself in a bad light.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (4th Sep 2020 - 13:02:49)
So joe here you go again slagging of our Heritage the Square the Centre of Liphook Ok it could. Be. Better that’s what we want to achieve . How about getting it all right then we could perhaps semi pedestrianise the Square Local Traffic only that would make it lovely to sit and have a coffee not having to breath in traffic fumes which I would say is well above the legal limit at peak times. I said nothing about newcomers you did I said it does not matter as long as we get it right.Joe you are quite right we must protect our lovely open spaces and common land I’m with you there but not some unused farm land that the public cannot access which would go a long way to protecting our Square. But again if we don’t have to have houses then leave it as it is.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident (4th Sep 2020 - 13:05:06)
To Roger Miller of 'SOS Bohunt Manor' group
Could you advise how members are in your group please ?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - er (4th Sep 2020 - 14:56:09)
This and the other whole thread is now just the usual old tosh (no offence), what they love at the top, sit back and watch us infighting, this seems to be the usual tactic from our leaders to ram through large scale redevelopment of housing in a given area.
On the one side developers will understandably try to throw out some un-costed carrots (here they are called 'Some initial early ideas' (re-read that folks), often to be left to the community to fund (which it is usually too useless and incompetent to do anyway)..
Then other developers think OK, we'll just put forward some of our 'nature' as a building plot too, speculatively, (you only need to win once as they say) and this area is up for it.
Suddenly all the neighbours (none of whom really want this scale of development in the first place) look with horror at the plans up their street and look and say 'oh god we can't have that it would blot our lives, but I'm convinced the plans down YOUR way look just perrrfect...'.
Can EVERYONE let us know YOUR INTEREST, for my part it's JUST a love of Liphook and this STAGGERINGLY gorgeous area!
I have nothing against any of the latest developments, don't live on the doorstep exactly, I chose my idyllic spot carefully (sadly a house with a view in estate agent speak now means a house with a new housing estate coming),
I don't dislike Redrow Homes, (I once owned one and it was very good), but what I don't like is the thought of a multi billion pound building company coming to Liphook albeit through a subdivision I'd never heard of (or so a little quick research would seem to show) and talking about Parks and legal advice and 'giving' so much.
But worse by far for me are the very people of Liphook talking about OUR FANTASTIC National Park as if it was a blot on the landscape, just some barrier to large scale housing!!!!
Finally, I quote from THE brochure: 'Harrow Estates is now leading the promotion of the sustainable and community benefit-led proposal at Westlands Park' and yet interestingly, then slightly varied text under the sub-heading: A Future for Liphook: 'Harrow Estates are leading the promotion of a sustainable and community led proposal at Westlands Park'
I know it's just 'brochure talk which I'd take with a pinch of salt, but can anyone please explain what exactly that means?
Because when it comes to building Liphook up on this scale, as has been said before, we should all know exactly which members of the community are LEADING and which are BEING LED- before we get there!!!!
Time to lay it on the table folks (all sides)!
Parish Council, you too, if you're still there?
Best wishes to all.
er
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mike (5th Sep 2020 - 12:22:50)
You’re absolutely spot-on er, too many hidden agendas here.
That’s how EHDC landed us with 300 houses on Lowesley Farm with no road through to Headley Road. Now our District Councillors support houses on Bohunt Manor instead of on the chicken farm which EHDC are supporting anyway!
So will those on the NDP committee please declare their interests. The owner of Westlands went on the committee without saying that he wanted to develop his own land south of Longmoor Road! Councillor Standish went on the committee without saying that she was employed by Mr Northcott at the Deers Hut and lived in his Lodge! At least she has resigned from the committee now she’s working at someone else’s pub in Wiltshire but she’s still getting paid more than £5000 a year for staying on the Council. Why?
But what is most worrying is that Chantal Foo is still Chair of the NDP committee when she was Mr Northcott’s planning agent at his Lodge. Surely the Chair of a committee should be independent? No wonder we do not have a neighbourhood plan nearly 5 years after it started!
er is quite right when he or she asks all sides to lay it on the table, including the parish council. Can the parish council start by telling us why committee members connected with Mr Northcott did not say so?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Local Realist (5th Sep 2020 - 12:24:45)
In answer to your question, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Parish Council would have much sway in things like this as decisions on large scale planning are made at county or national level, I believe the government promised recently to take all large scale applications to ministerial level for decisions, all we can do are ask for places we would prefer to have developed over others. So a referendum would seem fair.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (5th Sep 2020 - 15:27:03)
Mike you missed. Out one why is Roger Miller on the Neighbourhood Plan Committee a Fonder Member of Bohunt Manor action Group along with several Parrish Councillors.Whats good for Goose is Good for the Gander.I see several councillors attending Neighbourhood Plan meetings why ? . Still trying to put a spanner in the works. The Parrish Council should have nothing to do with the Neighbourhood Plan it’s a Plan by the people for the people what the community would like to see happen in the Future.The Neighbourhood Plan collect information from the community and then find out what the majority would like to. See in a Plan for the Future .
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Ian (5th Sep 2020 - 18:07:43)
Resident one, why don’t you get off you moral high horse, give your name and put yourself forward to become a member of the neighbourhood plan.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (5th Sep 2020 - 19:53:32)
The reason Parish councillors attend meetings is that the Parish Council are the ones responsible for the correct execution and preperation of the plan. They pay for the admin assistant, consultants reports ancillary costs such as stationery, meeting rooms, expenses, forums etc. The report is presented to the Parish Council to be voted upon before it goes to the district council and sdnpa to be voted on. The district council I believe fund the public referendum.
SOS BOHUNT have no financial interests to protect so they have just as much right to be on the plan as a developer does.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (5th Sep 2020 - 21:10:25)
What I want to know is this:- If Bohunt School was built on Luff's Farm (I remember it well, don't remember anyone objecting to it, we didn't in those days) how did it get the name Bohunt? Surely it should have been Luff's School? There again Luff's doesn't sound nearly as posh as Bohunt.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (5th Sep 2020 - 21:26:53)
Joe just. My point Mike keeps banging on about Northcote employing people and them being on the Neighbourhood Plan Committee. That’s why I have said there is another side to. the story.I hope that all committee members a Totally Neural when it comes to voting.Or better still Not Vote. But you all must agree there are many views on this subject.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Resident one (5th Sep 2020 - 22:20:30)
Ian I think you need to direct your comment to Mike.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Anon (6th Sep 2020 - 07:09:00)
If you go back far enough the whole area was called Boarhunt which is where we get the name bohunt from. There’s still one house that has the original name.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Mike (6th Sep 2020 - 11:02:37)
Resident one - I totally agree with you, there are many views on this and they should all be put.But members of the committee should put their cards on the table.
Roger Miller did so and said he was a member of SOS Bohunt Manor which is not a financial interest unless he lives near Bohunt Manor. The same is true of members of the Chiltlee Lane Action Group Who only have a financial interest if they live near the Chicken Farm or Highfield Lane. But they are all entitled to put their views.
Unfortunately some people with financial interests in the Harrow Estates proposal did not put their cards on the table. And we have no idea who have shares in the offshore trust which owns Bohunt Manor.
Local Realist is quite right too. Decisions on major sites with more than 50 houses or so are made at higher levels than parish councils. The government allowed neighbourhood plans to encourage parish councils to put forward some extra smaller sites and in return get more CIL money from all the building sites to spend on community facilities.
That is what the NDP committee should be doing and not wasting its time supporting or opposing the larger sites which will be decided at a higher level anyway.
Personally I am opposed to any more large scale developments in Liphook. That is why we should be so pleased that the SDNPA will not allow the so-called Westlands Park and EHDC have not put forward the Highfield Lane site.
Let’s keep it that way.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (9th Sep 2020 - 17:34:37)
I agree totally with Mike except in last sentence, EHDC have supported the Chicken Farm site in Chiltley lane for 120 houses, I presume they do not see the need for 600 houses in Highfield lane. There is no proven need for that amount of houses, and I hope that when the neighbourhood plan steering group look at the Bohunt/Northcote attempt to bludgeon through that huge housing estate in the SDNPA they will ask anyone involved with this among their number who has a pecuniary interest, such as the acting chairman, and any steering group member or working party member, as mentioned before in this thread, to take no part in promoting, discussing or voting on this proposal.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (9th Sep 2020 - 21:49:47)
Joe, I don't see how E.H.D.C. are supporting the proposal of houses on the chicken farm when planning permission for the last application was refused by them.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (10th Sep 2020 - 00:58:43)
D, It is now included in the EHDCs' local plan which was prepared recently after EHDC were given new housing figures by the government. The local councillors at the time the last application was refused on the Chicken Farm were hoping that the SDNPA would be somehow forced to take more houses in the East Hants area.
This did not transpire, and also the SDNPA finished and had their local plan approved 2 years ago. Because they finished earlier, the joint core strategy ended, meaning there was no longer any co operation between the 2 authorities. EHDC put in an objection to the SDNPA's plan at the time, but the inspector said their objection carried little weight, so the EHDC councillors realised that their strategy of refusing all new estates in Liphook could mean Bohunt would be built upon instead, backfired.
Also, the policy which protected the Berg estate from further development has now been changed enough to allow further development there. This was previously not the case. Planning policies change all the time. After the EHDC councillors tried to use this strategy by refusing the Oak Park development, , they were sent on planning training courses because they ignored the planning officer's report on that development proposal, which I believe won on appeal, therefore costing EHDC a lot of money defending their decision.
I think at the time of the chicken farm application the owner did not appeal the decision. At the time of the first application EHDC had fulfilled their housing numbers, which was a further reason it was refused. As I hope I am saying in all my posts it is PLANNING POLICY which decides these matters.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (10th Sep 2020 - 06:32:36)
I think it very sad that the formation of the South Downs National Park is causing so much friction and division amongst the people of Liphook. Do we really need this bickering over a piece of underused farmland?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - rolli (10th Sep 2020 - 13:57:22)
D - its underused because the owners are hoping to get change of use and will then make a mint selling to a developer. Likewise eyesore sites like the former garage are deliberately left to rot in the hope that people will be more accommodating on controversial planning applications. If we do not sort some trade arrangements out soon with the rest of the world, our farmers will need to utilize every square inch of farmland to feed the country
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (10th Sep 2020 - 16:19:55)
Rolli, we were importing food from abroad well before the Common Market came into being so I don't see a problem there. I'm no expert but look how many goods come from China and what trade agreements do we have with them?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Anon (10th Sep 2020 - 18:02:38)
The land is already owned by developers plus the uplift to wwf doesn’t expire until 2035, I doubt other developers would even touch it until then.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - John (10th Sep 2020 - 20:31:21)
I am seriously concerned about the proposed Bohunt development. If developers get their way with this intrusion into the National Park, not one square inch of Hampshire will be immune from the same treatment.
With such a precedent there will be nothing to stop every green field in the county being covered in bricks and concrete, with any woodland taken out to make way.
How “green" is that?
It is disturbing that the local planning process appears to have been “managed” by some people with distinct conflicts of interest. The sort of dubious financial operators seemingly behind this will no doubt use any success in Liphook as a template for applying the same corruption everywhere.
Not good for the honesty and integrity of our public administration.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - PD (11th Sep 2020 - 11:24:46)
John I hope you will be campaigning vigorously about the proposed housing on farm land at Highfield and the Chicken Farm some 600 houses ON Farm Land. Which will do so much damage to our village centre. Just to recap same land as Bohunt Manor Farm Land. So what’s best for Liphook if we have to. Have houses that is the question. That’s what the Neighbourhood Plan are supposed to be trying to work out what’s best for Liphook in the Future but they are having their hands tied by EHDC and The National Parks. It all. Boils down to what people want to happen in Liphook’s Future do we want to save the village centre and the centre of our community or become just another Dormitory Town .
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (11th Sep 2020 - 17:12:11)
PD as I have explained above, EHdC have rejected the Highfield lane site offering 600 houses. They have, however put the 120 houses on the Chicken farm site into their plan for the future. Also that site is not restricted by the same policies as the Park, so it is not just viewed in the same way.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - PD (11th Sep 2020 - 18:26:26)
Just so Joe 120 Houses on the wrong side of the village. Yes they have rejected Highfield but they have also rejected Bohunt Manor that doesn’t mean a thing. They know that if they get the Chicken Farm going then they can come back and say that Highfield is a good site for more houses Do Not Trust The EHDC.They have shown in the past how devious they are .
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Steve (11th Sep 2020 - 20:39:48)
In this country we now have, let's face it, open borders.
Figures just released show ' a net immigration bump of 313,000 people in the year ending March 2020, according to new statistics, with the majority of arrivals coming from outside the European Union..'
Londoners are moving out of London in ever increasing numbers
to escape the 'diversity' and are coming to Liphook. So new housing estates are needed endlessly all over Hampshire. Just look at Bordon.
After this housing estate a new one will be needed in Liphook as there is no sign the politicians (Conservative or Labour) will or want to stop this madness until Hampshire is under concrete.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - jane (11th Sep 2020 - 23:55:20)
steve open your eyes to some facts and not the crap your getting fed by the daily mail. The UK is getting less immigration that nearly every other EU country and the only reason that small percentage come here is that they speak english and or have frends that are here.
Personally if someone is prepared to swim the channel to get here we should be on the shores welcoming them for they are better people than some of the slobs who's ideas are controlled by the daily mail.
Back to the houses, if someone wants to come from london you cant stop them, they will probably improve the small minds around here.
Just because you live here for 30 years does not mean you own the place, get used to the pace of life and move out, go away to some other hole and wave yer flags as your going to get priced out by superior humans
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Local Realist (12th Sep 2020 - 09:38:35)
Jane, nobody is swimming the channel, where did you read that, the Guardian? They are getting into boats in Calais, France, which isn't a really dangerous country last time I read, maybe the Guardian knows different?
As for all this endless mass development, it's a kind of madness all over SE England now, but at least in Bordon they are getting a fully planned new town with REAL new facilities like leisure centres etc, a proper bypass, not just a road through the estate and bit of space where the council could build a health centre but probably won't, unless of course we are lucky enough to get those swimming migrants moving in to Liphook, then they just might😂😂.
Although I agree, anyone who can swim the channel deserves a free house in my book, as a prize.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Country Bumpkin (12th Sep 2020 - 09:50:45)
Jane
What a breath of fresh air your comments !
The most enlightened post I have EVER seen on Talkback.
Bless you
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Nicky (12th Sep 2020 - 10:13:28)
Oh dear Jane did you get out the wrong side of bed this morning? 🤷♀️
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (12th Sep 2020 - 12:13:50)
But Jane, if us country bumpkins who were born here did find somewhere else you superior humans would only follow us!
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Steve (17th Sep 2020 - 15:19:14)
Since I have moved from London to Liphook I am just being honest with myself and the Liphook community. I left London to avoid the crime, violence, grooming gangs etc..... to raise a family away from all this 'cultural diversity'. Open borders equals limitless people moving to London, so more people escape and Hampshire gets concreted over. Liphook will just be debating continuously where to build the next 645 home housing estate. Seems like madness to me.
'....superior humans' Wow! Imagine writing that.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (17th Sep 2020 - 16:02:11)
I understand Steve but the desire to build on the National Park land has more to do with the developers wanting a return on the land they bought speculatively 12 years ago to now hoodwink the Neighbourhood Plan committee into thinking these houses are needed rather than looking at actual housing need in liphook. If we return the developers cards in the negative then they may get that message. After all EHDC turned down 600 houses on Highfield lane on the basis they were not needed.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - D (17th Sep 2020 - 18:21:14)
Joe, Highfield Lane was turned down because there were two far better sites, Bordon and Horndean. If I remember the reason given was that the Highfield Lane site "is not currently technically deliverable".
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - M (18th Sep 2020 - 06:37:52)
Unfortunately any new housing planned for Liphook in the current EHDC draft local plan has nothing to do with what housing Liphook needs but what housing the whole of the EHDC planning area needs.
Previous local plans allocated housing on a per Parish level but the new plan doesn't, it allocated on a district wide level only.
The 600+ home site at Highfield hasn't (at this moment) been allocated in the new plan because it was one of the worst performing sites put forward for a large development in EHDC. That doesn't mean that in the not too distant future, once the developers have tinkered around with it and tried to overcome it's inadequacies and EHDC need to find places for 1000s of more homes, it could be back on the cards.
It's not a matter of does Liphook need more homes, it's a matter of does EHDC need more homes, and the answer will most definitely be YES.
The question for Liphook residents is where in Liphook should EHDC allocate/build 600+ more homes?
I believe the answer is not Highfield but Westlands, if EHDC can negotiate with SDNP to take them?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (18th Sep 2020 - 09:37:41)
m the duty to co operate has ended with the new locals plans.No cooperation is needed.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - M (19th Sep 2020 - 07:13:37)
Joe,
At the moment there is still a duty to cooperate between local authorities, and there still will be even if the new government white paper goes through where new development affects other authorities.
The SDNPA doesn't get a housing number to deliver. The local planning authorities within the SDNP get the number and then negotiate with the SDNPA as to how many they will take. In our case that is EHDC.
If EHDC have to take more houses over the next 20 years then SDNPA will have to take some of them, or at least they should take some of them and not rely solely on the already over developed areas outside the SDNPA to swallow them up.
The government white paper even mentions the lack of new homes in national parks and the affect this has on affordability. More homes need to be built in national parks, especially affordable homes for local people.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Joe (19th Sep 2020 - 10:04:02)
I am think your knowledge is behind the times M. Ehdc challenged the SDNPA plan when the inspector had the planning enquiry. The SDNPA were given their housing figures for the whole of the Park but those figures were not anything EHDC decided. The inspector disallowed the challenge of EHDC who produced a letter signed under the jcs signed back when the Park was formed and said that did not carry weight anymore under the new plan. The EHDC planning meetings have now had to change the wording at the beginning of their planning meetings which mentioned the JSC. Even if what you say is correct the Park will take those district wide housing numbers and put them into an area they deem more suitable for building houses in Lewes or Petersfield rather than an area they have recognised as having high landscape value. Just because it is on the Local conservative councillor wish list does not mean it would happen at Bohunt.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Ian (19th Sep 2020 - 10:21:08)
There is a very simple choice here and unfortunately there will never be agreement but let’s not fall out over it. Either Liphook remains a very large village with good, but limited infrastructure or, we accommodate more housing and become a small town. If this decision is made then the big battle will be with the planners, landowners and developers to ensure we 100% get the infrastructure improvements that will be absolutely essential. However I for one would prefer Liphook to remain as it is although I’m not going to fall out with anyone who feels different, I will probably just move far away if their opinion prevails :-(
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Anon (19th Sep 2020 - 10:27:54)
There are currently 216,000 empty homes across the country, although it’s clearly not as simple as just taking them, it does make me a bit sceptical about the need to build quotas that are ping ponged around
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - er (19th Sep 2020 - 14:26:52)
In Hampshire Live today there's an article (top story):
'8 developments set to change the face of Hampshire forever', not sure if this is a positive or negative story, I guess it depends on your opinion of the value of countryside, space and wildlife v. urban life and profit.
Ranging from a few hundred houses to a giant 4,000 house development in Portsmouth, all come apparently with massive, world class, landscape changing infrastructure and regeneration from multi-storey park and ride schemes, science parks, public squares, leisure centres, by passes, grand public spaces surrounded with shops and restaurants etc, changing these areas beyond all recognition!
Yet apparently these won't even meet a fraction of the counties national housing allocation and Liphook doesn't even get a mention!
Is this because we don't get any headline grabbing regeneration, just a load of hodge podge estates and a rapid decline into suburban nothingness , not worthy of being a town (too proud to call our little village a town!), but no longer by any definition (bar the estate agents) a village, expect plenty more 'wot to do with the trouble bored youth annoying me at night' stories, I expect the only solutions as ever will be 'not round my way or I'll send the films to someone or other who cares' (nobody really cares by then, we're all just used to it!)
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - M (28th Sep 2020 - 08:53:40)
To all those that think it won't happen I suggest you read the headline on the front of The Telegraph today.
More housing will be forced on Liphook over the next few years without a doubt.
Where is it best put it and how, as a community, can we make sure it's in the best place and we get some benefits from it?
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Steve (30th Sep 2020 - 12:34:25)
'Tory heartlands will have to find space for 1.5m new homes'.
I see what you mean. But while Liphook might dump the new housing allocation on Bordon this time, one might ponder why this is happening. I've said it before but open borders and mass immigration push Londoners to flee. Open Borders aren't going away. From July:
'Boris Johnson confirms up to 3 million people in Hong Kong can come to live in UK'
But as long as the Isle of Wight becomes New Hong Kong we'll be alright, hey Liphook!
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - William (9th Feb 2021 - 16:25:35)
Working to downgrade Ecological Networks:
Brian Cox & brother Paddy are degrading the most valuable green land within the immediate Sussex, Surrey & Hants Border, all separate local authorities so no Council links. Collectively the cumulative effect of three major land damage projects could affect the biodiversity in the region. Tom in August below stated “Oh, my goodness These people have no shame whatsoever!” – Tom its worse, it’s not shame, its greed.
Three sites are Surrey (Waverley BC) Red Court 180 Homes (50in planning) suggested on AONB land with high Biodiversity against Neighbourhood Plans; Bohunt Manor Liphook in SDNP concreting over parkland for 645 houses in East-Hampshire; and Dangstein Estate in W. Sussex. However the same theme of ecological damage in exchange for profit is concerning and should be made aware at a higher level.
Paddy Cox at Dangstein is currently is awaiting a decision in March 21 for the SDNP damage as planning permission was refused due to the potential impact on tranquillity and landscape character. The request was for a change in use from forestry to education, but ultimately probably housing, which is the common theme with this pair. Not sure how Dr Tony Whitbread, President of the Sussex Wildlife Trust determined benefits of this model.
I hope someone can take this on and raise awareness.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - AMC (9th Feb 2021 - 22:44:12)
Hi William,
I must say how horrified I am to read what you have wrote. Now so more than ever governments and local people must do more to prevent loss of our natural habitat. Its not even hundreds of years away its in the next decade permanent damage will be done to the planet and our local area.
For anyone who is unsure the impact we are doing to our natural world I would challenge you to read, listen or watch David Attenborough: A Life on our Planet. You will be amazed at how relevant this is to Liphook.
William would you be able to advise of where I can find details of this information as I would like to write to local MP and post online to gain support. I would advise any others who feel strongly to do the same.
Thanks
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Amanda diamond (10th Feb 2021 - 19:36:38)
Could someone please explain to me how it is not a conflict of interest when a member of the steering committee is working as an architect for the landowner of a potentially huge deal ?
Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Paul (15th Feb 2021 - 16:08:04)
WITHOUT PREJUDICE
We bought a barn and approx 8 acres of land at Bohunt, back in 2007, Despite investing all of our equity in the property our abode remains unfinished. There have been very serious allegations made regarding potential political and financial links to individuals that may have prevented us finishing our dream home, These allegations have mention shareholders (visible and hidden) of the land around us, One's own investigations appear to lead to the those claiming and operating public office without any person being visibly in control or assuming personal accountability for liabilities born out of any undeclared conflicts of interest. One would appreciate any information or name of the person with significant control over development at EHDC? that may be able to assist Ones dilemmas. One is happy to discuss the matter on a without prejudice basis.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - helen (15th Feb 2021 - 23:08:50)
Paul you have a barn and land in the National Park. If you bought the agricultural land and agricultural barn without investigating yourself whether you could turn it into residential then your solicitor badly advised you. If you have permission to turn it into a house then go ahead. I doubt if there are individuals stopping you doing this only money. Your Post appears very confused.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Kyle (16th Feb 2021 - 01:03:08)
Mr Northcot owns The Deers Hut doesn't he? Good luck to them however if were in my later life if I already had money more money would not bother me if it had a impact on the community but if I were to I'd like to think I'd give a lot back to the community.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - M (16th Feb 2021 - 07:17:32)
Paul,
Like Helen I am a little confused at your post.
If you have purchased a building and land at Bohunt Manor and need planning permission for your "dream home" then you must be aware you will need to apply to the relevant authority and gain that permission.
If you don't need planning permission, after having taken advice from the relevant authority, then there is nobody who can stop you, unless you have some kind of legal dispute with neighbours regarding access. Any permissions you need will go through the appropriate channels and be decided using the current rules and policies.
If you are on the Bohunt Manor estate then your relevant planning authority isn't EHDC but the SDNPA, again something I'd have thought you'd be aware of if you have done your due diligence.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Helen (16th Feb 2021 - 08:57:49)
Paul I am assuming you also want permission for your 8 acres to be developed into housing to enable you to have the money to finish your own house. If I am right then the body who would decide that would be SDNPA. As the previous owner has said if the issue is access then that should have been picked up by your legal searches before purchase. You are not clear on who has stopped what.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Penny Williamson (16th Feb 2021 - 09:26:48)
Paul like Helen and M I too am confused. Your land and barn is in the South Downs National Park which is under the planning authority of the SDNP not EHDC. Please explain as I would be really interested to have more detail.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Anon (16th Feb 2021 - 10:38:49)
Please be aware that this is the same Paul who claims covid is caused by 5g and there’s a microchip in the vaccine. Nobody is stopping him from completing his house, it’s down to personal finance, mortgage arrears and other properties being repossessed.
Re: Housing plan revealed for 645 new houses - Donald (17th Feb 2021 - 12:40:46)
I know Paul, he definitely looks at things in a different way to most. You will not get a logical debate with him no matter how open and tolerant your nature may be
