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Parking at Liphook station
- Nathalie (25th Jan 2020 - 08:43:08)

Hi
Does anyone know if you can normally get a space at Liphook station if you’re commuting every day?

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- jaybee (25th Jan 2020 - 14:17:47)

NO DEFINATELY NO. Try Haslemere.

Keep Liphook commuter free


Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Paul Robinson (25th Jan 2020 - 16:21:42)

Ordinarily I would say come early and avoid disappointment, however today I note that about 20% of the parking spaces are currently occupied with workmen unloading long lengths of yellow gas piping prior to work commencing on 30th January.

Paul Robinson

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Alison (25th Jan 2020 - 21:46:06)

If you are planning on getting the 7.28 train or earlier then usually there is a space (though it’s best to arrive early) but definitely can’t guarantee getting one any later .. it’s got much busier over last few months. Re the workmen there was a sign in the station to say there were gas works taking place from yesterday to
Monday morning

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (25th Jan 2020 - 22:06:12)

You can always park entirely legally in the residential streets nearby, in fact to can park right in front of peoples houses if you want 100% legally as the people in those houses have no legal right over the public highway which exists many feet away from their land rights and is in a sense for all public use.

So if your early you might not get a place at the station but your legally free to park legally on any public road side parking in ANY of the public roads nearby...... LEGALLY & FOR FREE

This is both factual and legal

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Amy (26th Jan 2020 - 07:52:47)

Goodness John, you clearly have a chip on your shoulder!
Whilst you are correct, the issue with commuters is that they rarely park in a respectful or sometimes even legal manner. I live near the station and we have commuters park on corners, half blocking driveways, blocking the dropped curbs for wheelchair/buggy crossings, parking in a way that their one car occupies the space that 3 cars could have parked in and also parking in residents marked bays. They also park blocking pavements so they can park opposite each other, which is very unfair on those who are disabled or trying to push buggies. On several occasions, commuter cars have parked in such a way that an emergency vehicle could not access the end of our road if needed.
So yes, you can park in residential roads. Just try to show a little respect when doing so.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Bush (26th Jan 2020 - 14:41:40)

Amy,
You are spot-on on a Could-Should-Would level of conversation.
Regrettably, realistically, too many commuters park inconveniently and illegally. The Council and the Police don't have the funds (the will?) to help.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Joc (26th Jan 2020 - 16:52:37)

John.
You cannot park legally in Newtown Road. Look at the signs at either end of the road. If you don’t know what they mean you shouldn’t be behind the steering wheel.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Jayne (26th Jan 2020 - 17:35:29)

Perhaps John is one of those commuters who've been recently turfed off parking on the entrance road to the Berg estate thanks to the introduction of double yellow lines. Yippee!!

That's because in this case perfectly LEGAL AND FREE parking was quite rightly deemed very DANGEROUS, eh John?

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- er (26th Jan 2020 - 20:36:24)

No John is right however he may have phrased it.

Where there's no parking restrictions and it's not a dangerous place to pull in, then you can park there as long as it's safe and legal, irrespective of whether it's annoying or inconvenient, a bit like the Headley Road, tower Road etc!.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (27th Jan 2020 - 08:51:31)

Jayne, you can attempt to pin whatever you like on me, the fact I stated the words legally and legal many times should have been enough. But to help you out;

You are free to park anywhere as long as it’s legal to do so and you park in a legal manner, ie not on the pavement, blocking drives etc. The position of your car should be considerly parked.

But you do NOT need to consider the owners or any nearby properties as your legal parking is absolutely none of their business as your not parking on their property.

So if there is no spots at the station, feel free to park in any legal spot/legally right outside the same house day after day and for as long as you like.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Slimetime (27th Jan 2020 - 19:47:57)

Careful though, one of those homeowners may illegally damage your vehicle. A colleague of mine had her car vandalised; many hundreds of pounds later she wished she paid the couple of pounds to park at the station.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- jaybee (27th Jan 2020 - 19:55:14)

John. please let us know your address and the number of car spaces available outside your home

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (27th Jan 2020 - 20:44:30)

I have off street parking at home my drive leads directly onto a B road, you can’t legally park on the B road and then there a my lane which is my property so you can’t park outside my house.

Unlike almost everywhere near the station if it’s legal to do so and on the public roads.

Someone did break the law by the station by damaging a car that was legally parked. I hear the owner had one of those all view in car cams and took the person to court with a video of their face and hand holdings a key and the sound of the damage.

Ridiculous really, someone breaking the law to prevent someone parking within the law.

Oh and the classic response I have, “if you don’t like it then move” LOL

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Nicky (27th Jan 2020 - 22:29:59)

John you may well be correct however the tone of your posts
does you no favours whatsoever. I’m glad you’re not my neighbour!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Anne (28th Jan 2020 - 08:24:06)

John, I think you need to sort your grammar out!!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Lorac (28th Jan 2020 - 10:16:52)

Replying to John's comment about parking LEGALLY on side roads near the station, we have, I am so glad to say had double yellow lines painted just into the Berg Estate where we were getting too many cars using the road into the Berg and causing dangerous obstructions for traffic in and out. So maybe drive to Haslemere; more trains per hour and more parking.

We need a bigger, better station for the amount of use it gets, PLUS, the upcoming new footbridge will be welcome but does not give access to wheelchair and disabled persons; isn't this a breach of the bi law requiring access to all equally???

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Ian (28th Jan 2020 - 20:10:54)

John the latest Talkback Troll, just ignore him and deny him the attention he craves

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (28th Jan 2020 - 21:06:08)

Am not trolling anyone just stating and establishing actual legal rights regarding parking, yes I have been doing it in a difficult manner because it important that the legal right isn’t lost on people whom seem to think they own the roads outside their houses.. they don’t

Good luck on the ignoring trick, that worked well for banana man on this site and now that guy thinks he a superstar on here.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (28th Jan 2020 - 21:57:11)

Joc,

I did have a good look at the signs at the either end of Newtown road, they are no motor vehicles except for access signs. Meaning your not allowed to short cut through there. In the absence of actual parking signs they have nothing to do with parking and also as it’s not a private road anyone can legally park on that road as I often do and have never got a ticket.

Even if I had got a ticket I would get off it easily due to the same above reasons.

So my chumy pal.... if you don’t understand what a road sign means perhaps it is YOU that shouldn’t be behind the wheel!??

Adios.... John the (Legal considerate parking gold medalist Liphook )

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Bush (29th Jan 2020 - 08:13:40)

You may call others with differing views, unpopular views, a Troll.
Regardless of the content or who is more legally correct: The Angry Mob and pitchfork witch burning backlash is no less shameful than a differing novel opinion / view.
If you want to take John's case apart, by all means do. But if you wish to remain dignified then you should leave the personal comments (e.g. troll) out of the civil logical argument.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- M (29th Jan 2020 - 08:49:29)

@John re: Newtown Road.

John, you are correct that the signs at either end of Newtown Road are "No Motor Vehicles allowed except for access" but you are incorrect in your understanding of the sign.

No Motor Vehicles is self explanatory but the "except for access" definition means you can only drive a motor vehicle on that road if you are getting access to a property on that road.
A definition I found online below:

"Usually "No Entry, Except for Access" or "No Motor Vehicles, Except for Access" mean that only people who have a legitimate reason for serving a property etc on that street may pass the "No Vehicles" sign.
This kind of thing is often used on a residential street that is often used as a short cut (for short cut, read "rat run") and the sign basically means that anyone who is using it as a through road is committing an offence."

Therefore if you drive on Newtown Road, park on it and walk away without actually visiting a property on Newtown Road you are committing an offence. Not a parking offence but a road traffic offence. Obviously the Police would need to see you do that and prosecute accordingly.
You are correct it has no control on parking in Newtown Road, only access. If you're not actually visiting/accessing a property you are committing an offence.
If you park your car, visit a property on the street and then walk away I imagine you'd then be OK, but don't take my word for it.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Lucy (29th Jan 2020 - 09:18:43)

The police do not now even attend reported thefts, so expecting a policeman to hang around Newtown Road waiting to see if a motorist actually visits a house there is nonsensical.

I think the signs are misleading anyway. Newtown Road is only one road, there are other more obvious places that yellow lines should be drawn on the streets of Liphook.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- joc (29th Jan 2020 - 10:05:15)

Thanks M, this is what I was trying to get across to John, I didn't think I'd have to go into detail about it. As you rightly say access is for residence and visitors to land and property, not for visitors to the railway station!
Goodnight Johnboy.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- er (29th Jan 2020 - 10:54:42)

Then if so, it should be a private road owned and maintained by the residents not us the taxpayer if we can't enter it and park on our own road which we own and maintain, I think this sign is simply deterring rat runners not defining parking restrictions or it would say so

In reality I think you'll find the reason no one has ever been prosecuted or convicted for parking there is because unless anyone can show written statute it's just he says she says.

Plus you'd need 2 coppers, one at each end to record time of entry/ time of exit and viewers along the whole route to confirm noone stopped to visit or deliver to a property.

But anyway, just to confirm there are no parking restrictions which would suggest accessing it to park is not illegal, but I think you'd need a roomful of barristers to argue the toss till the cows come home, is there a precedent for this, signs are normally specific if they didn't want us as citizens to park in our road!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (29th Jan 2020 - 12:11:34)

Again your misinterpreting things to your own will, access does not mean accessing a property on that road. It’s just as easy for me to misinterpret it back and say access means accessing a parking space!

Joc has no idea what road signs mean, next he might say the 30 zone means he should be in 3rd gear, this is the sort of biased misinterpretation everyone loves to use these days.

For access only... legally means your can’t short cut through.. end of story as that is the facts.

I appreciate little of what I have been saying hasn’t agreed with some of you, and I appreciate some whom can’t find a spot outside their own house don’t like it.

But the facts remain, anyone can park wherever they want as long as they have legally done so. And that person can do so for as long as they want as long as the vehicle itself is legally on the road. So to add to this all the chat on here about commuters legally using legal spaces outside other peoples property is utterly pointless.

Those living there are just going to have to suck it up and live with it or move, until your street is yellow lined or parking restrictions come in you have no recourse or right to give anyone acting legally any more grief about doing so

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- liz (29th Jan 2020 - 13:33:18)

"Those living there are just going to have to suck it up and live with it or move, until your street is yellow lined or parking restrictions come in you have no recourse or right to give anyone acting legally any more grief about doing so".

What a very unpleasant comment. The residents could of course hope to rely on some consideration by people looking to park in the very narrow road - but from the bluster and bad temper above that doesn't seem likely.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Pete (29th Jan 2020 - 14:30:32)

John, I would imagine that most of the "chat" on this subject is due to the fact that purposely or not you are coming over as a very unpleasant person. Why you waded in with a comment that was always going to get peoples backs up, when the original question was about the station car park, I don't know. Were you trying to help with the original question or just trying to rile people, you certainly succeeded in with the second not so sure about the first.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Rachel (29th Jan 2020 - 16:43:47)

I live within a one minute walk of the station and have my own parking space right outside my house.
I no longer have a car so my space sits empty all day every day!
Maybe I should find someone who would like to fill it. :-)

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Editor (29th Jan 2020 - 16:47:01)

Hi Rachel

Advertise it on www.justpark.com/about/rent-your-space/

and get some income from it

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Rachel (29th Jan 2020 - 19:43:26)

Thank you Editor :-)

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- john (30th Jan 2020 - 18:45:02)

I understand I have disagreed with some but that’s just life, no insults have been traded.

I appreciate people living near the station do not like the parking situation but I equally don’t like people attempting to assert rights over me that they don’t possess, hence my attitude has been a mirror of theirs. I am a legal and considerate parker. I won’t tolerate this grey area off you’re not from here why are you parking here against the legal rights I have.

If you are upset about people parking near the station do not drag those doing so legally into it, understand and appreciate you have no rights to do so over the public property that surrounds you, you do not own or indeed have any right over the public areas around you. In excess of 95% of the cars parked around the station are doing so entirely legally and considerately so do not tar us with this stupid brush of those whom do not as we are not the same people.

If I have the legal right to park outside your house and I do so correctly within the law then you possess zero rights to yap about it as its nothing to do with you, it is not your property and not your right to moan.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Ian (30th Jan 2020 - 22:15:28)

@John, you’re clearly getting off big time on this, or have a BIG chip on your shoulder!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Slimetime (31st Jan 2020 - 05:58:28)

I feel ever so guilty on the very rare occasion I park my vehicle outside someone's house to use the train station or any other facility in fact. I may have deprived an elderly, disabled or young mother with children a space outside their property and through my own selfishness caused them to struggle.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- M (31st Jan 2020 - 07:19:19)

@John
You are 100% correct in your comments about legal parking on public roads.
Your latest post suggests you park in local roads to Liphook Station as a commuter, again nothing wrong with that if you do so legally and with consideration.
If, however, you park in Newtown Road (which you haven't said you do but from your previous posts possibly do?) then I believe you wouldn't be driving along Newtown Road legally as you are not accessing a property on Newtown Road.
That's how I interpret the signs at either end of Newtown Road, and how all the descriptions I've research explain the rule.
I'm not saying anyone parking in Newtown Road and not accessing a property is commiting a "parking offence" but they are commiting a "road traffic offence" and, in the unlikely event of an officer of the law being present and deciding to do something about it, could end up with a fine and points on their licence.
If you don't agree then that is your prerogative, but doesn't necessarily mean you are correct.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- k (31st Jan 2020 - 12:11:18)

Sadly another side effect of commuter life on Liphook - now trying to turn the rest of Liphook in to a Giant car park? Thanks everyone that parks outside of other peoples property for your lack of consideration & morals. Wasn't it nice when people considered each other!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Charlie Fletcher (31st Jan 2020 - 14:10:37)

I will start by saying that personally I would not park outside somebody's home unless I was visiting them. To do so, albeit "legal" as John likes to repeat in his many messages would be inconsiderate.

However out of curiosity, rather than rely on this person or that person's interpretation, I checked the legislation regarding "Except for Access". The pertinent wording reads "for access to premises or land adjacent to the road".

This leaves the question, is the pavement considered to be land adjacent to the road?

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- M (31st Jan 2020 - 17:31:43)

I believe the pavement is part of the public highway and not property or land accessed from the highway.
"Except for access" means to access property or land, not another public highway.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Charlie (31st Jan 2020 - 23:36:00)

M thank you for your comment. However the legislation does not mention public highway. It refers to land adjacent to the road.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- greg (31st Jan 2020 - 23:53:07)

I do love it when opinion is replaced by facts, and some how on social media sites opinions seem to over power facts. The reality is they never do. I posted this the last time this subject came up about parking on roads with restricted access.

The facts can be found at

hants.gov.uk/...

if you look around page 60 under
Road closures and restricted access

it clearly states the following :

This restriction shall not be used to deal with parking issues. In the past they have been used as a means to help prioritise parking for residents in roads where there have been commuters or shoppers parking. The use of the restriction for this purpose was generally made when the police were still responsible for parking enforcement in most of the district council areas.

Since the introduction of Civil Parking Enforcement in most parts of the county, which means parking restrictions are more likely to be enforced, it is now more appropriate for parking problems to be dealt with through parking restrictions as opposed to the �access only� restriction.

This restriction will not, therefore, be used to treat a parking problem unless yellow lines, time limited parking or a residents� scheme is deemed to be unsuitable. Existing �access only� restrictions that were implemented for this purpose will remain in place unless they are no longer effective, in which case a parking restriction may be considered as a replacement.

This is Hampshires policy.

I know that not everyone that reads this will not agree with it. However they are the facts.

regards


Re: Parking at Liphook station
- John (1st Feb 2020 - 01:02:28)

Well done Greg, nice bit of copy n paste from the council.

Access only is meaningless in terms of parking, its subject to consideration and when they paint the yellow lines ill park somewhere else nearby, and I’ll do so considerately/legally/and right in front of someone’s door because I obey the law and I don’t tolerate people unjustly asserting rights they don’t possess over property they don’t own.

All whom disagree are those that think the public property in front of their property is their property Well guess what... it isn’t so be quiet, find something to moan about that you might have a valid case on.

The public property 1cm from your private property is NOTHING to do with you if those using it are doing so considerately and legally.



Re: Parking at Liphook station
- M (1st Feb 2020 - 09:15:12)

John and Greg.
100% correct, an "except for access" restriction has nothing to do with parking restrictions.

This thread was about parking at the station but Johns comments have helped develop it further into street parking, and in particular Newtown Road street parking.

Neither of you appear to register the fact, or at least register it's existence, that Newtown Road is an "except for access" street and that means you should not drive a motor vehicle down Newtown Road unless gaining access to property or land on (or accessed by) Newtown Road.

Parking is a secondary issue on Newtown Road.
Unless you are gaining access to property or land you shouldn't be there in your motor vehicle (ie: Parking your Car) in the first place!

I don't live anywhere near Newtown Road and don't travel to work by train but I feel strongly that rules are in place for a reason, and just because you don't like a rule it doesn't mean you have a right to ignore it.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Dave (1st Feb 2020 - 11:58:42)

We have become a nation of rule breakers, this was one of the problems created when the EU was opened up to all the Eastern European nations with their different values. Hopefully now with Brexit and the end of austerity we will see local authorities, highways and the police start to clamp down on this un-British non law abiding behaviour

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Pete (1st Feb 2020 - 12:49:49)

Oh dear Dave, lets blame all our countries ills on Johnny foreigner shall we. Look a bit closer to home if you want to really understand why our services cant cope with policing matters like this.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Dave (1st Feb 2020 - 12:54:30)

I would also add we have seen a reduction in recent years of the British tradition of good manners, thoughtfulness and consideration of others. Hopefully these will return now

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- JOE (1st Feb 2020 - 13:55:20)

Expecting police and cuncils to behave differently because of brexit is nonsense.
Our parking issues have never been managed by the EU.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Joe (1st Feb 2020 - 14:45:01)

Sorry about the typing error I meant councils. Also why would we now have an end to austerity? If anything all our goods and services will increase in price. Good manners, civility and tolerance are taught at home not influenced by whether or not we are in the EU.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Helga (1st Feb 2020 - 15:26:48)

Dave
Phew! Thank goodness those pesky Eastern Europeans won’t be here to staff all the nursing homes and care agencies. But I don’t know who’s going to do their jobs. They’re certainly polite when I meet them ..... must all be an act.
Heck..... there’s also one in my family! Help.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Diane (1st Feb 2020 - 19:28:41)

Yes, Dave lets all follow our Prime Ministers lead shall we.!!!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Dawn Hoskins (2nd Feb 2020 - 11:09:55)

Getting back to Nathalie's original post.........
we have varying success in the mornings but if you are wanting a train before half seven you are normally ok if you allow yourself plenty of time. After that, you are usually out of luck.

I know I'm going to sound upsetting to the residents locally but if the car park is full and you don't have time, you are permitted to park anywhere that doesn't have double yellow lines, but you must be careful not to block driveways and access.

A lot of the commuters that miss out on a spot in the mornings park in the Beaver Industrial Estate as it is close enough to make a mad-dash for the train. Others park in Newtown Road.

Newtown Road has a no 'short-cut' sign, as it used to be a rat run. I'm not sure if it is a rat run anymore but the no access sign is still in place. In instances where this has been enforced - the driver must enter one end of the road and exit the other end of the road [so actually use as a rat-run] so unless you are doing this you are still able to park there, as well as any other residential road with no yellow lines.

The problem is that if you are only within 5 minutes of your train leaving, you do not have time to investigate places further afield.

Good luck Nathalie, you may feel from reading this thread that Liphook is full of grumpy people with axes to grind........but I can assure you that is not the case.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- M (2nd Feb 2020 - 14:32:37)

Nathalie and Dawn.

Dawn your comment;
"Newtown Road has a no 'short-cut' sign, as it used to be a rat run. I'm not sure if it is a rat run anymore but the no access sign is still in place. In instances where this has been enforced - the driver must enter one end of the road and exit the other end of the road [so actually use as a rat-run] so unless you are doing this you are still able to park there, as well as any other residential road with no yellow lines." is factually incorrect.
I suggest you re-read your Highway Code, or read some of the above comments and advice.

Nathalie, I suggest you read them too as I wouldn't want you to end up being prosecuted (unlikely I know) by taking Dawns advice and using Newtown Road, unless you are actually accessing property or land on Newtown Road.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- helen (3rd Feb 2020 - 23:21:45)

Also the beaver industrial estate is not part of the public highway, owned and maintained by the county council but owned privately so they might enforce their own system. If they blocked off the spaces from being used they would be within their rights.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- er (4th Feb 2020 - 11:30:34)

But M, if it is 'except for access to property or land' then why both? signs need to be defined in law to be enforceable.

Property= anything owned including building and land

Land= ground

Therefore IF there are no parking restriction and IF the sign was put in to deter rat running rather than parking and the road is a public road, then you CAN park and you can access land (as opposed to property) and it COULD be argued that pavement is 'land' what else could the land be if gardens, buildings, offices are all 'property' else why not just say propertry?

Very confusing signs and confusing signs are bad signs!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Dawn Hoskins (4th Feb 2020 - 12:04:15)

@M
I am fully conversant with the Hiway Code. What I am talking about prosecutions. The only people [to my knowledge] that have ever been successfully prosecuted for an Access Only violation are those who use it as a rat-run/through-route. That means entering at one end and exiting at the other end. Access Only signs were only ever designed to prevent through routes - they are not parking restrictions - neither are they No Entry signs.

If the residents would like to institute a parking permit programme you are of course entitled to do so after negotiating with EHDC but that would cost you money. Meanwhile, the structure we have in the UK of tax-payers paying for the upkeep of public roads is that the public [in general] are paying for them and generally get to use them.

Of course, years ago when your road was used as a rat-run, I'm sure it would have been very irritating, but it is not used as a through route any more so I'm not sure why the signage is still in place, to be honest.

If you would like County Highways to put parking restrictions on your road, ie: yellow lines, I'm sure you can petition them to do so.

The access only signs have been historically a nightmare to prosecute because anyone with half a brain can come up with an excuse as to why they were there - it would be particularly difficult to prosecute if you did not use the road as a through route.

I do not advocate parking there, by the way - I was just explaining to the OP that people often do when they can't get a space at the station.

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- M (4th Feb 2020 - 17:29:49)

@Dawn.
As usual you haven't read through all my comments on here.

At no point have I said the "Except for Access" signs are for parking restrictions, in fact I have clearly pointed out that they are not for parking restrictions. Also you'll note I don't live on Newtown Road.

I think you'll also find the road is still used for "Rat running", when the queue at Station Road/Midhurst Road is long and all the Highfield and Churchers mums can't be bothered to wait 30 seconds more (seen them with my own eyes so know it happens).

Except for access to property or land means exactly that. Only drive on the road if you are accessing property or land accessed by the road. The pavement is not property or land, neither is a parking space. I see no confusion but obviously others do!

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- P (4th Feb 2020 - 17:41:14)

When is the station putting in electric Charging points ? be less parking .and no one use them😀

Re: Parking at Liphook station
- Dawn Hoskins (6th Feb 2020 - 13:24:22)

@M

I should apologize, the only paragraph that was for your attention specifically was the first one - as you had specifically told me to become conversant with the highway code. Copied below. I do not presume to know you or where you live.

I am fully conversant with the Highway Code. What I am talking about is prosecutions. The only people [to my knowledge] that have ever been successfully prosecuted for an Access Only violation are those who use it as a rat-run/through-route. That means entering at one end and exiting at the other end. Access Only signs were only ever designed to prevent through routes - they are not parking restrictions - neither are they No Entry signs.

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