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Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- K.T. (21st Jan 2019 - 14:04:21)

Oh dear oh dear what a sad day for Liphook when you read headlines like this (link below). I do hope Cllr Jerrard isn't thinking of standing for our parish council again in May, particularly as he lives in Greatham and has nothing to do with Liphook except for causing everyone a problem.


Liphook Herald - Fury erupts as councillor urged to quit

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane (21st Jan 2019 - 16:47:02)

Shame on him and Shame on Michael Croucher.

Get rid of both and lets get the good ones we have lost back. What a total embarrassment and shambles. Lets have the transparency, professionalism and respect of modern times not the "old boys network" politically incorrect methods of working- those days are long gone as those 2 should be!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane Ives (22nd Jan 2019 - 08:11:23)

Jane above is not me Jane for the record!

This newspaper article is incredibly say and I do hope though that we get a parish council elected in May that can fully represent our interests.

Jane

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Charles (22nd Jan 2019 - 11:45:33)

I do hope Jane Ives is correct, but cannot help feeling a little concerned.

I believe the reason we have the Parish Council we have is because no one actually stands, so the issue/s remain and new people are bullied into submission or resignation by the more experienced.

Then replaced with 'the old boys network'.

Look forward to seeing the neighborhood plan at the weekend.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Janet (22nd Jan 2019 - 12:32:26)

Surely Mr Jerrard will not be standing for re-election in May?! I sincerely hope not!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Penny (23rd Jan 2019 - 13:56:19)

I wish I could believe that Mr Jerrard will not stand for re-election in May. Judging from past behaviour I think he almost certainly will as in my opinion he enjoys the mayhem he causes and revels in the publicity good and bad.

However sadly he is not the only one who is causing problems on B&LPC. Mr Croucher has shown his true colours in his appalling chairmanship of the last two meetings when Mr Jerrard’s behaviour was discussed.

There is only one way to stop the rot in the council and that is for the electorate to make sure that the only people elected to the parish council in May are the ones who have the true interests of the parish and its electorate at heart. Otherwise this sad state of affairs will continue.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- jason packer (29th Jan 2019 - 17:31:46)

why are they so frightened about mr jerrard standing are they concerned he will expose the truth
he has helped me expose mr hancock (disgraced mp) and knows what is going on
I hope he does stand he founded the justice & anti-corruption party for the purpose of exposing corruption

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Julian King (29th Jan 2019 - 19:05:56)

Since starting the Hampshire Police Monitoring Group, I have noticed that Cllr Jerrard appears to be highlighting corruption and is being retaliated against from various quarters.

Police involvement in local politics is not only unethical but something that needs to be addressed and It would be nice if you could all pull together to try and eradicate this problem.

Police whistleblowers have been challenging such corruption including myself, I would ask you to look at my site www.goodcopdown.com including the section describing police corruption with regards to paedophilia. Note the involvement of the current leader of the Isle of Wight Council who is also the chair of the Police and Crime Panel.

The website for our own org is www.hampshire-police-monitoring-group.com

Our group is also looking for further volunteers if anyone is interested.

Kind regards

Julian King

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Penny (30th Jan 2019 - 15:32:24)

@Jason Packer and Julian King– You obviously have not read the Thread entitled “Liphook Herald – Jerrard did bully other councillors.” I suggest you do because then you will understand that this latest Thread has nothing do with the content of your two posts – it is about Mr Jerrard being found guilty by The Governance, Audit & Scrutiny Sub Committee see below:

“The Governance, Audit & Scrutiny Sub-Committee have determined that the following censure is issued to Councillor Jerrard in the light of his breaches of the Members' Code of Conduct.

Councillor Jerrard is hereby censured for failing to uphold and promote high standards of conduct when holding public office. The position of a Councillor requires a high level of integrity and responsibility. Therefore the community expects the highest standards of propriety, ethics and morality from their Councillors in their conduct. A Councillor is a community leader and role model, and must act in an exemplary manner to ensure their position is respected and brings confidence in public office.

An individual Councillor's actions and conduct will always reflect on the wider role of a Councillor and, as a direct consequence, will inevitably impact on the reputation of their fellow Councillors and the Council as a whole both generally and specifically. The Sub-Committee have concluded that the conduct and actions of Councillor Jerrard have not met the high standards that are expected of a person holding public office. The Sub-Committee believe it is incumbent on all Councillors to ensure the public have confidence and trust in their elected Members, the Sub-Committee are disappointed that Councillor Jerrard's actions were not in keeping with this belief.”

If either of you would like more details you can see them online where it is stated that Mr Jerrard was found guilty of 6 out of the 7 complaints against him and it is common knowledge that he has been consistently bullying and harassing fellow councillors for some time, to the point where at least 2 of them have been forced to resign as their health and daily lives were being affected. These councillors were excellent councillors and had the best interests of the electors of Bramshott & Liphook at heart. We will be poorer without them. I would have thought Mr King, having studied your web page, you would understand what bullying and intimidation does.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- anonumus (31st Jan 2019 - 12:15:23)

what readers need to be aware of is that these threads slagging off Cllr Jerrard are always from the same people.

Cllr Jerrard is head of planning and currently fighting the prospect of against the green land {owned by SDNP] from being developed.
The Vice head of planning Cllr Easton is also trying to fight against houses all over the SDNP (along with Cllr Trotter and Cllr Croucher).

The local paper journalist has strong personal links with the disgraced former clerk Tony Groves and his cousin Anna James both of whom seem to want houses. In the past, the paper has always printed Tony Groves version of events - right up to the day he was sacked - when they lost their news 'feed'. Groves took personal offense against the councillors who oversaw the independent investigations into his behaviour and may not want houses - but will definitely want to see those councillors humiliated in public.

The 'formal' complaints made to EHDC about trying to ruin meetings etc were submitted by people who either live in the houses directly owned by the local developer trying to build the houses on SDNP - or - employed by the same. Also many of the people who have got themselves into the neighbourhood planning committee are conflicted in the same way. They were made only about councillors who object to houses being built on the SDNP and are also making a stand about local people having to foot the bill for a Neighbourhood plan (£70,000) which includes houses in the SDNP. They are making this stand because the SDNP have specifically told them, in writing, that if they include any such phrase - the whole plan will be rejected outright and local people will have paid £70k for nothing.

So readers, if you would like to hear exactly what Cllr Jerrard said to 'disrupt' the meeting which all these complaints stemmed from - why don't you ask him for the recording. Due to the verbal attacks he receives because he is determined to stand up for local taxpayers and to protect our green spaces - he records every meeting he attends from the moment he walks in the door.

His contact details are widely available on the Parish Website, you should get your opinion from the right place rather than listen to people with very vested interests making complaints about people who are stopping them from making their big bucks.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Penny (31st Jan 2019 - 14:37:41)

@anonumus. What you need to be aware of is that most of the content in your post is absolute rubbish.

1.Cllr Jerrard is not Head of Planning ( I assume you mean Chairman) Cllr Jordan is the Chairman. I am not sure if Cllr Jerrard is still on the planning Committee. He certainly wasn’t at the Planning Meeting on 14 January and there was no apology from him.

2.Cllrs Trotter and Cllr Croucher are not on the Planning Committee.

3.Cllr Easton although on planning is not Vice-Chairman. The Vice-Chairman is Cllr Garnett.

4.What proof do have that the local paper journalist has strong personal links to Tony Groves and Anna James? There are still libel laws in the UK.

5.Anna James moved out of Bramshott several years ago but when she did live in Bramshott and was a Parish Councillor she was a prime mover in getting Bohunt Manor land (and I assume that is the area to which you are referring regarding possible housing) put in the SDNP and was against any housing there.

6.Finally it is irrefutable fact and not “idle slagging” as you imply that Cllr Jerrard was found guilty on 6 out of 7 counts of bullying and harassment of fellow councillors. The Governance, Audit & Scrutiny Sub Committee which found Cllr Jerrard guilty on 6 counts is a body set up to among another things to promote values for the authority and demonstrating the values of good governance through upholding high standards of conduct and behaviour. Cllr’s Jerrard’s conduct and behaviour was sadly lacking on 6 counts.

So in conclusion, please do not try to “muddy” this Thread with inaccurate nonsense. The councillors who suffered at the hands of Cllr Jerrard were not as you say “making complaints about people who are stopping them from making their big bucks.” They were good parish councillors with no vested interests who were bullied and harassed by Cllr Jerrard.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- K (31st Jan 2019 - 17:05:36)

Anonymous,
What a load of rubbish you speak......,as well as spell!
How do you come by your facts because just about everyone is wrong, possibly because you are a friend of the said councillor?
As for saying the South Downs National Park owns the land........ I rest my case.
A word of warning to everyone, believe nothing you hear about this issue, only believe what you have witnessed first hand as certain people associated with the case will do anything to be seen as whiter than white!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane Ives (31st Jan 2019 - 22:35:05)

Anonumus I find your post very strange mainly because you seem to claim to know so much about the complainants and yet you are so way off the mark.

First of all Penny rightly says that Jerrard is not Chair of Planning nor has he been for quite some time.

Interesting that you should mention Cllr Croucher who incidentally has often expressed a desire for housing in the national park so your facts are a little muddled up there.

As you will know, I'm sure, I was one of the complainants along with 4 others. I've always been in favour of protecting the national park...in fact it was me who kicked off the SOS Bohunt Manor support group some years ago so I'm of the same view as Jerrard on that one. The national park has got absolutely nothing to do with why I raised a complaint!

You say that the complainants "either live in the houses directly owned by the local developer trying to build the houses on SDNP - or - employed by the same" - quite frankly that is a load of twaddle. I own my own house as do all the other complainants....none of us live near Bohunt Manor. Vested interest...we have none!

I'm sure Jerrard will be delighted that everyone now knows he records everything (not a particular secret anyway). Of course anyone is entitled to record a public meeting but I would be very wary if someone is recording conversations before a meeting commences....isn't it breaking the law to then play that to someone else without the knowledge or consent of the person who was unknowingly recorded?

The NDP steering group are well aware of the restrictions of the national park and, certainly when I was a councillor, were keen to ensure they listened to all voices in our community in order to provide a good plan that represents the views of everyone that lives here. These people are giving their time for free for all of us so your criticism does them a great injustice. If you want to have a say then step up and get involved...there is room for everyone's views.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (31st Jan 2019 - 23:32:08)

I’ve been watching this correspondence with growing dismay, mob mentality seems to be alive and flourishing.

I find it disturbing that a man who is willing to test and challenge issues without fear or favour is being vilified by what increasingly appears to be an orchestrated and determined endeavour by a small group of people with their own agenda.

Not only do they intend to depose of Cllr. Jerrard but anyone else who see any merit in his contentions.

I understand that Cllr. Jerrard's so called hearing where he was found in breach was a kangaroo court.

The so-called independent investigators never even spoke to Cllr. Jerrard…..What happened to natural justice?

What is there to hide? saying that it is a waste of time and money to try and put 100s of houses in the Liphook Corner of the National Park?

Might it be because they are shareholders or friends of Green Village Investments, the British Virgin Islands company which owns the land at Bohunt Manor?”

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Simon (1st Feb 2019 - 10:04:07)

This thread is an excellent illustration of why more people don't get involved with their parish council.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane Ives (1st Feb 2019 - 12:52:34)

I agree Simon! Spent 6 years doing it and it's one of the most painful tortuous experiences I've ever been through! Such a shame when so much could be achieved.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Penny (1st Feb 2019 - 15:14:13)

@Tom Hotspur This man is not being vilified. He is the man who has been found guilty on 6 out of 7 counts of bullying, harassment and intimidation of fellow councillors by the Governance, Audit & Scrutiny Sub Committee, an independent and highly respected body NOT a “kangaroo court” as you so charmingly suggest. The reason that Mr Jerrard was not spoken to was because he would not attend. The Hearing had already been postponed twice due to Mr Jerrard’s excuse of ill-health (this claim made in spite of the fact that he was attending meetings and seen regularly in Sainsburys in Liphook having coffee with his cronies). The GAS committee were not prepared to postpone the Hearing for a third time and so it took place without him. Nobody’s fault but Mr Jerrard’s. Mr Hotspur you obviously don’t read the posts very carefully because if you had you would see that to bring in the SDNP and housing is nothing but a “red herring.” This Thread is not about SDNP or housing or GVI. It is about Mr Jerrard’s unacceptable behaviour to fellow councillors, behaviour that breached the Code of Conduct, of which he has been found guilty - to councillors moreover who are also against housing in the SDNP. You appear to be another poster who, for whatever reason or vested interest, is trying to muddy the waters. Incidentally with regard to Mr Jerrard recording everything that is said at meetings, perhaps he should have taken these recordings to the Hearing if he was so sure he was innocent, to prove his point!!! Also I am not sure it is legal to take recordings without prior warning. I know that if a firm is recording telephone calls it has to inform the public at the outset.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (1st Feb 2019 - 23:55:00)

Penny,I think you failed to read my comments about natural justice. The motivation for multiple people to complain indicates a cohesive attempt to discredit a hard-working Cllr. for what appears increasingly to be a sinister agenda.
Are these politicians so sensitive and wimpy that they run to the headteacher if something offends them if so, they are in the wrong business.
I took the trouble to contact several people who know Cllr. Jerrard personally and asked if they considered him an aggressive bully. They laughed and said he was a mild-mannered man who they had never known to raise his voice also stating he was a gentleman.
I found it amusing that you commented on the legalities of tape-recording public meetings, which is I understand is allowed.
I quote you, “this claim made in spite of the fact that he was attending meetings and seen regularly in Sainsburys in Liphook having coffee with his cronies.” How on earth would you know this? Is Cllr Jerrard under surveillance? Is he not allowed to shop and meet people? It all sounds rather suspicious and sinister to me.
The plot thickens but the truth will out.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- K.T. (2nd Feb 2019 - 07:50:05)

A gentleman who door steps people according to EHDC? A gentleman who reports hard working councillors at the drop of a hat to the police with spurious claims (with the police then telling those being reported that there is absolutely no case to answer)? A gentleman who brings his friends from the British National Party to Liphook council meetings to sit with his wife?
Not my definition of a gentleman!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Pete (2nd Feb 2019 - 08:55:16)

Tom. You do not need to raise your voice to be a bully. Bullying can take various forms. As for recording the meetings, yes public meetings can be recorded but before a meeting is called to order (as this is when it seems they are in dispute) they are private conversations. And as for running to the headteacher, when you feel you have nowhere to turn that is exactly where you should go.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (2nd Feb 2019 - 09:41:15)

K.T. The plot thickens British National Party indeed! You are now straying into the realms of fantasy, what a truly ridiculous statement which exposes how desperate you and your cohort are.

Mind you it makes a change from blaming Putin, Red Jez and his personal secret police Momentum for the ills of the country.

This reminds me of the lyrics of a Paul Simon's song “His bow-tie is really a camera.” You’ve made my day I’ll wait with baited breath for the next instalment in the political crucifixion of Obergruppenführer Jerrard.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Thomas (2nd Feb 2019 - 10:48:48)

This thread has become extremely silly, councillors are adults not children. As for the BNP surely they are no longer in existence? This is a Parish Council we are discussing here not Parliament. As for doorstepping, journalists do this all the time, and there is no redress against them. If you listen to the debates in Parliament you would then really see something to complain over. One ludicrous comment, " he did not send apologies for the Planning meeting. "

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- K.T. (2nd Feb 2019 - 12:05:08)

No Tom Hotspur not ridiculous at all...this woman was at the Liphook council meeting on Monday...this link to Jerrard's own website...

jacparty.weebly.com/winchester...

This lady's husband is Mr John Morse member of the BNP and he was also there.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Pete (2nd Feb 2019 - 12:07:49)

Why is "he did not send apologies" a ludicrous comment. When you are a member of any board or committee if a meeting is taking place that you are due to attend and you cant the correct procedure is to send apologies which can then be noted in the minutes of said meeting.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Anon2 (2nd Feb 2019 - 13:22:34)

Tom Hotspur, I should think the motivation to make complaints was because the councillors were not prepared to put up with Cllr Jerrard’s conduct and behaviour any longer, especially if it had been going on for a long time. This wasn’t just about bullying. The findings accused Cllr Jerrard of bullying, lack of openness and transparency, failing to remain objective, failing to be respectful and courteous, failing to work together with officers and conducting himself in an unacceptable manner. That sort of conduct and behaviour does not seem to be compatible with the smooth running or effective working of a small council. I am not surprised they reported it to the headteacher, which was entirely the right thing to do. Add to that the spurious reports to the police probably costing us taxpayers a lot of money, which I understand from people I have spoken to, he has done many times, then Cllr Jerrard does not seem to be a suitable representative for the community. Cllr Jerrard can of course go about his business in Liphook. But he is known in the village, and appears to court attention through controversy, and his picture has appeared in the newspapers. I am not surprised that people are expressing their opinions and views about Cllr Jerrard, which they are free to do. So, when there is a post on this site made by someone who would appear to be closely connected to Cllr Jerrard saying that he is “still in seclusion and totally debilitated” and yet at the same time he is seen in Sainsburys having coffee with his councillor mate, attending Council meetings, then it does beg the question. As for recordings at meetings. Has anyone seen him with a tape recorder sitting in front of him at Council meetings, and does he tell people that he is recording? I thought they taped Council meetings. Or does he go wired up and do it without any transparency or openness. If he does that, he could be recording people at any time without them knowing it, and that is very worrying.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (2nd Feb 2019 - 17:50:26)

K.T. I didn’t realise attendees at parish council meetings were screened politically after their identities were discovered? Goodness knows what you would make of me as a former supporter of Screaming Lord Sutch and a once a fully paid up member of the Monster Raving Loony Party? Mind you I’m easily identified by my bladder on a stick and multi-coloured hair.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (2nd Feb 2019 - 19:00:30)

Groups of plotters often use obtuse reasoning to produce logically indefensible conclusions, and frequently derive erroneous impressions of what they remember. Thoughts not afflicted by fiction or errors will nonetheless be subject to self-serving bias.; especially when scripted by a nefarious group. Repeating the agreed script in the face of factual evidence will quickly dissolve these previously undefended and increasingly spurious allegations. Reliance on the findings of a kangaroo court is akin to building 100 houses on a quagmire. Let’s hope Cllr. Jerrard quickly recovers to defend himself.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Ian (2nd Feb 2019 - 20:19:48)

Tom, what a complete and utter load of twaddle, total nonsense , but did give me good laugh.

I’m someone who doesn’t give a monkeys about Jerrard or the parish council but your ludicrous post has led me to believe everything I have read about the councillor, how ironic

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane (3rd Feb 2019 - 00:39:07)

Can only assume Tom is still a member of the Monster Raving Loony Party judging from his obscure ramblings. Think we can park his posts there.

Thank you to those that have spent the time to detail the history of the goingson and lets not detract from the poisonous nature of Jerrard who from his purported ill health and discreditable status should surely stand down now in any case. He's an embarrassment and a shambles of a Councillor who is not doing us any good as residents by being such a manipulative, threatening and disruptive character.

The Chairman too needs to do some soul searching as to where his allegiance stands and if can't be impartial and chair properly stand down also.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (3rd Feb 2019 - 09:40:19)

Oh. dear Jane and Ian, perhaps you are one and the same person? Therefore, the same old repetitions from the ‘cracked record Brigade’ with your multiple sock puppet accounts. I find it ironic you accuse me of rambling, are you forbidden to stray from your agreed script? Common purpose rules.


Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- K (3rd Feb 2019 - 10:11:14)

Tom,
"...... plotters often use obtuse reasoning to produce logically indefensible conclusions, and frequently derive erroneous impressions of what they remember. Thoughts not afflicted by fiction or errors will nonetheless be subject to self-serving bias.; especially when scripted by a nefarious group. Repeating the agreed script in the face of factual evidence will quickly dissolve these previously undefended and increasingly spurious allegations....."

I take it you're talking about yourself and/or Cllr Jerrard?

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Ian (3rd Feb 2019 - 15:14:57)

Ha ha, there you go again Twaddling Tom, or Mr Jerrard possibly?

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (3rd Feb 2019 - 16:19:31)

K.T. I shall refer to you as the’ Plotters’ in future.
Plotters, your posts indicate a paucity of any original thought and childishly name calling and reflecting my own comments back to me indicates a school yard mentality. So, my previous analogy of you running to the headmaster was unerringly accurate. The comments you have made towards your victim show exactly who the overbearing, aggressive bullies really are. The impartial and unbiased readership of this site will deduce exactly what this conspiracy is about. I rest my case.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- John Morse (3rd Feb 2019 - 19:00:09)

Unlike KT I am out in the open. Up until 14 years ago I was most certainly a member of the British National Party, a political commitment for which I do not apologise to anyone, least of all KT.

I have got to know Cllr Jerrard in an altogether different context. He is an honourable fighter against the widespread corruption in this county's administration - something he has undertaken at personal risk and for no material reward.

"Kangaroo court" is the right term for the sort of Stalinist show trial conducted by the Governance, Audit and Scrutiny Sub-committee.

Cllr Jerrard was not there to defend himself, but the hearing went ahead anyway. The Liphook Herald's poison pen apparently was.

The Herald shows no sign of having gone to Cllr Jerrard for his side of the story. Contra Penny, such reporting has no authority. It is gutter journalism.

The likes of Penny, and "Anon 2" and the rest of the anti-Jerrard gang show all the signs of conducting character assassination by organised write-in. There'd be shedloads of money at stake in the type of development Cllr Jerrard rightly opposes. Perhaps that's what's at the root of it all.

By the way, Liphook residents living away from the proposed site of this would be mistaken to think that development there would in any way preclude development in their own back yard as well. The dirty money machine will roll over them, too, when it suits.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Ian (3rd Feb 2019 - 19:54:47)

Mr Jerrard getting an endorsement from former member of British National Party! Brilliant, says it all, just hilarious!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Pete (3rd Feb 2019 - 20:00:38)

Sorry Tom but I am part of the unbiased readership of this site and I'm afraid your pomposity is not coming across too well. You seem to be doing exactly what you are accusing others of with regards ignoring the parts distasteful to you rather than supplying a coherent argument.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (3rd Feb 2019 - 23:01:19)

Mr. Morse may I congratulate you on your openness and honesty which is a complete dichotomy to the baying anonymous anti-Jerrard plotters. These bullying keyboard warriors demonstrate with every posting just what nasty, aggressive cowards they are. Their motivation and agenda is increasingly transparent.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane (4th Feb 2019 - 08:28:56)

Well said Pete.

Oh dear Tom "why say 1 word when I can say 20" Hotspur just to confirm I am not gender fluid, affliated to anyone, part of a mob etc and do not know any of the posters on here nor am I any of the other ironic adjectives in your namecalling diatribe. It does however raise concerns in me as to your affiliations?

I am just a concerned resident who, having read the findings and read the ongoing saga and the earlier regrettable resignations of decent people, finds it unacceptable that a man thinks his manner is an acceptable way of working. If he was employed he would be sacked for gross misconduct and lets hope come May, at the very latest, that's exactly what happens and he takes up gardening instead.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- liz (4th Feb 2019 - 11:47:43)

Tom Hotspur

I have no involvement in any of this apart from as a voter but if you are trying to be supportive of Cllr Jerrard with your posts you are failing miserably!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (4th Feb 2019 - 12:13:50)

Dear Plotter's. How amusing that you accuse me of being rude in my posting then proceed from the outset with a rude, sarcastic and bumptious post yourself. You profess the seriousness of the matters involved (At least we agree on something) and then behave in such an infantile manner. To attempt to besmirch the reputation and integrity of a hard-working councillor whilst he is debilitated on the adjudication of a kangaroo court is reprehensible. I repeat the truth will out.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Penny (4th Feb 2019 - 14:44:26)

@Thomas – the reason I stated that no apology had been received from Mr Jerrard at the Planning Meeting was because the B&LPC web site showed that Mr Jerrard is not even on the Planning Committee let alone Chair, so the fact that no apology was received, in my opinion compounded the fact that he was not on the Committee. Sorry if you did not understand that.
@Tom Hotspur – your comment and I quote “Mr. Morse may I congratulate you on your openness and honesty” is comical to say the least. Mr Morse had little choice but to be honest as his name was quoted in K.T.’s post “This lady's husband is Mr John Morse member of the BNP and he was also there.” He could do little else if he was going to defend himself! I must say I get very tired of people like you accusing anyone who doesn’t agree with them of being a coward and a keyboard warrior. As the majority of posters on this site only put first names or initials ergo they are all anonymous. How does anyone know if Tom Hotspur is your real name?
Highlighting another of your ludicrous comments and I quote “Oh. dear Jane and Ian, perhaps you are one and the same person?” Why should Jane and Ian be the same person – just because they disagree with you? Perhaps you and Thomas are the same person.
You obviously don’t read posts very carefully otherwise you would have seen from my post dated 1 February that Mr Jerrard had pleaded ill-health and successfully got the Hearing postponed on two occasions and GAS were not prepared to postpone it for a third time. His choice not to be represented.
Of course Mr Jerrard is not under surveillance but his face is well known in the village having been on the front page of The Herald more than once. Therefore it is not surprising that people who have seen and recognised him in a public place around the time of The Hearing, were surprised as he was reported to be in seclusion and debilitated.
I personally have seen Mr Jerrard rant at Council Meetings being incredibly rude and intimidating so to those people who you say in your post dated 1 February and I quote “know Cllr. Jerrard personally and asked if they considered him an aggressive bully. They laughed and said he was a mild-mannered man who they had never known to raise his voice also stating he was a gentleman” These people cannot ever have seen that side of him, but I can assure you it exists.
@ John Morse Finally and on a much more serious note to call GAS a “kangaroo court” is bad enough but to use the word “Stalinist” is appalling and just demonstrates that you are as badly “wired up” as those you support. Typical of someone who has been, or perhaps still is, a member of the abhorrent BNP.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- C (4th Feb 2019 - 14:50:36)

Anyone else think Tom Hotspur IS Cllr Jerrard?

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Rölli (4th Feb 2019 - 16:02:19)

I think he's a plank!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Anon2 (4th Feb 2019 - 19:52:25)

Tom Hotspur, from what you say individuals are unable to comment or give opinions about Cllr Jerrard, without accusation of being part of some orchestrated plot. What bunkum! I have not been asked by anyone to write anything nor have I asked anybody else to do such a thing. In fact, I am actually quite cross that you are implying this. Cllr Jerrard has only himself to blame for the opinions and views that are being expressed about him on this site, due to his unacceptable actions, conduct, and behaviour. I don’t actually believe he has been a hard working councillor on behalf of the people of Liphook. I think he has used his position to pursue his own personal agendas and interests in the furtherance of his own political and other ambitions. I now understand why he did not get elected in his own parish of Greatham in the last elections, or in the Parliamentary elections, or as Police and Crime Commissioner!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (4th Feb 2019 - 22:50:55)

The plotters are getting rattled. Methinks I've touched a raw nerve. The wheels are beginning to fall off their tumbril.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Pete (5th Feb 2019 - 07:37:37)

Tom, So because somebody questions your spurious claims and accusations that constitutes touching a raw nerve does it? I can only assume one of the wheels has certainly come off your tumbril as you seem to be going round in circles.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Penny (5th Feb 2019 - 10:49:11)

@Tom Hotspur You say “The plotters are getting rattled. Methinks I've touched a raw nerve. The wheels are beginning to fall off their tumbril.” The word “plotters” by inference means that all the people who have posted on this site voicing their concerns about Mr Jerrard’s unacceptable behaviour know each other. I can assure you that this is not true – you probably would say “well they would say that”, but it is a fact.

You have not touched any “raw nerves” as far as I am concerned and the only tumbril the wheels are coming off is yours as you write absolute rubbish. I would even go as far as saying your posts are doing so much harm to Mr Jerrard it almost seems as though you are against him too. Double agent/double cross!! You certainly are not doing him any favours.

@ John Morse As I have said previously the reason Mr Jerrard was not at The Hearing to defend himself was because he chose not to be. He had already had The Hearing postponed twice on the grounds of his questionable ill health and GAS were not prepared to postpone for a third time. Surely you can understand that.

The Liphook Heralds' poison pen as you so charmingly put it and I assume you mean Gabrielle Pike only reported what happened at The Hearing (that is what journalists do) and as Mr Jerrard was not there he could not give his side of the story. I have attended meetings that Gabrielle Pike has subsequently reported on and she is an accurate and fair reporter. Just because you don’t like the truth don’t shoot the messenger.

You refer to the development that Mr Jerrard opposes. I assume you mean the Bohunt Manor land, if so why don’t you say so then we can all be in the picture. If indeed it is the land at Bohunt Manor then I can assure you many of the people who are appalled at Mr Jerrard’s behaviour are ALSO AGAINST DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND. They are not involved in “dirty money”. They are good councillors who have the best interests of Liphook at heart. I cannot be clearer than that – so please STOP muddying the waters.

This Thread is about Mr Jerrard’s bullying and intimidating behaviour to fellow councillors of which he has been found guilty.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (5th Feb 2019 - 22:30:09)

Plotters, methinks thou dost protest too much.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Rachael (6th Feb 2019 - 08:05:51)

Tom - methinks you is a wally! This could go on and on as Wally Tom is determined to have last word.!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- igs (6th Feb 2019 - 09:17:26)

I think a more appropriate name is Tom the Troll!

Looking at his contributions he is clearly "getting off" on stirring it up and seeks to provoke a reaction. No doubt he is sat there with his online thesaurus looking up fancy words thinking how clever he is and relishing in the attention. He probably doesn't even know who Jerrard is!!! DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Paul Robinson (6th Feb 2019 - 09:24:16)

Tom,

Not only is the quotation inappropriate, it is also wrong.

Queen Gertrude says in Hamlet

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Paul Robinson

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jen (6th Feb 2019 - 09:39:10)

I, for one, am very strongly opposed to any development of the land at Bohunt Manor.

I have no connection whatsoever with Councillor Jerrard, having never so much as met him - and I am appalled by the fact that he has been found guilty of bullying and intimidation of his fellow members of the parish council. Surely, he is unfit for public office and should now step down?

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Tom Hotspur (6th Feb 2019 - 09:41:48)

Plotters, Name calling in such a school playground manner, negates any views you may purport to hold and establishes your conspiracy conclusively with the ever increasing number of sock puppet accounts

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jaybee (6th Feb 2019 - 10:01:24)

If my memory serves me right Hotspur was a boys comic. Does this ring any bells

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Rölli (6th Feb 2019 - 10:50:43)

Hang on Tom !

"Plotters", Name calling in such a school playground manner, negates any views you may purport to hold.

Seems you have a point!!! you've repeatedly 'name called' all those that disagree with you so consider all your views negated!! - you're so funny!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- A.R (6th Feb 2019 - 11:15:15)

So, having read all this muck throwing on all sides I deduce it has something to do with the development on the Bohunt land and councillors ?
I do know of some councillors who backed this development, as I and many others did when we went along to the Millennium hall a few years ago.

I have lived in the village for nearly sixty years and lived opposite this land in the 70's and anyone with a care for Liphook would realise that this would be the best place if any new development had to go ahead. Many other people could see it too.

Now we have another threat that could see all the land East to the village be built on. Now you tell me where do you think is best. Somewhere closer to transport and shops or further out heading to Hammer.

I may know one person on this thread but do not know the rest of you and your agendas . But whatever has gone on sounds ugly to me and I despair at who may be on the council now and in the past that has not had Liphook in their best interests. Judging by the tone of this thread many should feel very ashamed of themselves.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- oldie (6th Feb 2019 - 12:47:22)

I had imagined that the parish councillors had nothing much to do with planning applications, their job is just to worry about who cuts the lawn, keeps the community centre open and now it seems bicker about who's running the meetings and which gang is sitting in the big seats in the little hall, whilst the district council and big government get to decide who builds the housing estates and all the really important stuff!.

I'll reference Wendy's post here and say: "What a pity it is that all we seem to read on here are negative items" I have no idea what the meetings are like, what behind the scenes work you do, not having gone to any of them, I don't even know where you advertise them, but I'd have thought if you want to engage more of us, posting the dates and agenda on here would be brilliant start, you're not going to engage the next generation going on and on about your internal issues on Talkback.

It sounds like there is a procedure for making complaints, a procedure was followed, decision made and the outcome is now public record, show some decorum and tell us about the all great things you're doing for Liphook because I am interested (at least you've got my attention) and it seems many of you want to speak...

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Older oldie (6th Feb 2019 - 21:11:59)

Yes lived and worked here all my life 6 generations past and present 78 years. As Regards Cllr Jerrard I had a run in with him at a council meeting I ask a question and he interrupted me and tried to brow beet me .I told him to sit down and listen for a change.After the meeting he rushed across the room in a rage and and said i had given him a hard time shaking with rage in front of the council and the public.This man is not good for Liphook he only works for himself not the parish. As to why he voted against Bohunt manor he has a running feud with Mr Cox of Bohunt Manor. If the parish council had backed Bohunt Manor which was before the National Parks put in their boundaries the boundary would have been in the right place .Then we could have had all of the amenities that we desperately need plus a Road to relieve the square . Open spaces to enjoy and look at the park out door class rooms for Bohunt School car and coach park behind the school .Then they could close the entrance in Longmoor Road pedestrians only. That would take an enormous amount of traffic away from the square.This land is the only part of liphook that can give us any benefits.If you build houses on the station side of Liphook without a relief road all the cars have to go through the square to access the A3 and the schools .Can you think what that would be like.

It saddens me to think and see that some of our councillors are still against it they should be fighting tooth and nail to get it.That piece of land is not the national park it Is farm land Private No access for the public but it could be. Please go along to the neighbourhood plan meetings because that plan is the only plan that EhDC and DEVELOPERS have to abide by.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Younger Oldie (6th Feb 2019 - 22:53:43)

The above poster is mistaken. The land is in the National Park. The neighbourhood plan does have to follow the planning guidlines, the Plan has to be approved by EHDC and the SDNP who are against a development there. The National health service are not progressing a medical centre that it is why nothing has been built there, even although permission had been given years ago.The football club cannot afford to move there. The developers have not promised any benefits? They would have to give a certain amount of land for recreation that is all. You have been given duff info by someone!
The Neighbourhood plan is only a guideline for developers to read.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jeannie (8th Feb 2019 - 11:06:01)

I have been reading this Thread with interest and felt that I must bring it back to its original subject which is not about Bohunt Manor Land Whether Jerrard is in favour or not of development on this land is irrelevant.

This Thread is about Jerrard being found guilty on 6 out of 7 counts of breaching the Codes of Conduct. He is not the one being "plotted" against. He, with support of Easton, Croucher & Trotter are the plotters and Jerrard has consistently bullied and intimidated fellow councillors for some time, so much so that it appears at least 2 of them have resigned as a direct result of this.

Reading not just this Thread but others in the past it is also apparent that B&LPC have been in serious disarray for some time and that Jerrard and Croucher are the main instigators of this disarray.

Referring to Older Oldie's post when she said she did try to speak at a meeting, quote "After the meeting he (Jerrad) rushed across the room in a rage and and said i had given him a hard time shaking with rage in front of the council and the public." All Older Oldie had tried to do was to speak. Even if Older Oldie had been trying to speak at an inappropriate time in the meeting there is no excuse for Jerrard's behaviour. In my opinion he is not fit to hold public office.

Croucher has shown himself to be incapable of being an impartial chair judging from his performance at the last two meetings when the subject of Jerrard's behaviour was raised. His statement that "bullies are sometimes bullied" and there are always two sides may be true. That may be true - the bullies can be bullied but NOT by the same people they are bullying. It must be remembered that all bullies without exception are cowards at heart.

The only way forward for B&LPC as far as I can see is for enough people who want to work for the good of Bramshott & Liphook to stand for election in May, in the hope that Croucher and Jerrard, if they do stand, are not elected.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Older oldie (13th Feb 2019 - 21:37:53)

Oldie I no the land is National Park that’s the problem it should have had the boundary put the other side.The government are looking at the problem the boundary,s are causing all over the country splitting parishes and making it very difficult to plan future development . They should but boundaries on parishes borders all in or all out.If Liphook were all in then all land could be looked at on merit ie what gains for the community ie roads open spaces recreation facilities ect The same goes for all out.As for the neighbourhood plan yes it is not binding but it must be taken very seriously that’s why all the other parishes have done theirs It is the future of Liphook that’s why all the developers presented their plans at the first meetings.And again the vast majority of the public could see that the Bohunt and the northcot trust land would give the most benefits so we are in no mans land. Build houses on the station side of Liphook and have hundreds more cars through Liphook square to access the A3 and the schools someone some where must stop this madness.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- A.R (14th Feb 2019 - 10:20:59)

Older oldie. You couldn't have put it better. It is a no brainer. Unfortunately SDNP seem to have a bee in their bonnet about this land and are steadfastly refusing to budge.

I believe that in the future this could hold them in contempt especially if houses are built in areas that could ruin Liphook. It is a fact of life that more housing will be needed.

But hey, it doesn't seem to stop a lot of the Councillors sticking the boot in too.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Older oldie (15th Feb 2019 - 11:05:25)

Thank you AR a sane person at last. The best thing we can all do is to attend the neighbourhood plan meetings today and tomorrow and register your ideas. This plan will be taken seriously. By EHDC and the developers. The only plan.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- liz (15th Feb 2019 - 14:24:49)

There is a vocal group very much in favour of the development of the SDNP land around Liphook. A number of these are people not in favour of development of the east side of the village and the building of a primary school there, which the advisors to the Neighbourhood plan suggested might balance the village if I remember correctly. It seemed like a very good idea even if it did mean access across the railway.

There is no evidence that the majority are in favour of development on the SDNP land and to say so is misleading. To include land in a National Park then remove it again in very short order just to suit developers seems to go against the whole purpose of a National Park.

As many people as possible should attend the meetings.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- A.R (15th Feb 2019 - 16:35:59)

Liz, What a load of rubbish you speak. I am not sure of your agenda but would hazard a guess you live somewhere near this land. I did too in the 1970's.
Many people were in favour back in 2014 for the Bohunt land to be used if further developments were needed. One only had to look at the planning application at the time to see the amount of support in the village for it, and rightly so. It is near the station and the shops.
This was long before the proposal to build to the east side of the village was put forward. This is a relatively new proposal and was not welcomed by many that went the meeting at the Millenium Hall . Some of the land was only recently bought back off the family Connors.
I went to the neighbourhood plan meeting this morning and discussed this again and will air my views on line.
Why would anyone want to build further out of the village and cause more traffic is beyond me. Still I think we all know the reason and it's not to " balance " Liphook. That has to be the most ridiculous statement of all time.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane (15th Feb 2019 - 17:36:45)

I don't think Liz is too far off the mark actually! When there was a public meeting at the Millennium Hall about the SDNP many many residents attended who were in favour of preserving the national park. They may not be as vocal as those who support development in the national park but, believe me, we do exist!
The SDNPA have made it crystal clear that the park cannot be developed and have said that the neighbourhood plan would fail should it be included. Let's hope they stick to this and protect our little piece of the national park. Don't forget also that EHDC have included the chicken farm and the field off Headley Road in their draft Local Plan so these will be developed at some point in the not too distant future.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- jeannie (15th Feb 2019 - 20:34:49)

I agree with A.R. and Older Oldie although I do feel that this Thread has wandered from the original post which was Cllr Jerrard being found guilty of bullying and harassment of fellow councillors. Maybe the tenuous connection has occurred because John Morse in his post said “There'd be shedloads of money at stake in the type of development Cllr Jerrard rightly opposes. Perhaps that's what's at the root of it all.” This is not true as Cllr Jerrard has been intimidating fellow councillors for many different reasons. However to get back to the SDNP and Bohunt Manor I feel that the Bohunt Manor land should never have been included in the SDNP. It seems that the boundaries of the SDNP were not thought out carefully enough, parishes and towns were split, places included that should not have been and the whole thing needs to be re-drawn. In addition it is my understanding that the SDNP have to take a quota for housing within the boundaries of The Park. I drove through the South Downs recently and that is what should be included and is, not land on which it makes sense to build houses, near stations and shops and where a relief road can reduce congestion as is the case of Bohunt Manor land.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- John (15th Feb 2019 - 21:19:01)

The boundary has been set now for a good few years. It is where it is, and there was a public enquiry some years ago, and the government did not change the boundary. The SDNPA do not need more houses built, they had an allocation which they have used by putting houses in Liss
Greatham and Petersfield, and other towns further afield. The town of Liphook and its settlement boundary is not in the Park. EHDC have not
allocated many houses for Liphook compared to other areas, there is space for them outside the Park.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- A.R (16th Feb 2019 - 08:59:13)

I had to re read Janes fractious comment :

The SDNPA have made it crystal clear that the park cannot be developed and have said that the neighbourhood plan would fail should it be included.

Words fail me. A neighbourhood plan is put forward, but, we the SDNPA are going to tell you what you are getting and not what would benefit Liphook. If you dare mention what we don't want you to have then we will throw out our dummies in protest.

Please tell me why we have these exhibitions, if you cannot state what is blindingly obvious and just have to accept what they want.

As for this land being a little piece of the National park I suggest you go up the road and walk round Chapel common. Now that is a piece of land worth saving.


Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Older oldie (16th Feb 2019 - 12:34:59)

Spot on again AR .You only have to see Liz asking on another thread what the times are for the meetings it was already on this foram .So much for all of them nowing much about Liphook .I wonder how many meetings they have attended in the past to find out what actually goes on and what the community whants or go and help Liphook in Bloom on a Sunday morning in the square tending the flower beds and see the huge volume of traffic passing though both ways completely devastating our conservation square some how I think not

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- Jane (16th Feb 2019 - 17:09:15)

National Parks are there for a reason - to protect the landscape and special features therein. Before anyone says that this is just a piece of privately owned land and nothing special etc etc just think about these principles. They are set at government level and apply to all national parks and offer protection for future generations. Yes we may just be on the edge of the national park but it is surely still worth preserving. What if development encroached on all national parks? A line has to be drawn somewhere and, like it or not, it happens to be here.

I was simply saying that the SDNPA would not allow major development there simply because it goes against the principles of a national park. It's certainly not about throwing toys out of the pram!

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- John (16th Feb 2019 - 19:22:29)

The Neigjbourhood Plan will not get through examination if they pick a place to build which goes against the Park"s policies. Any sites chosen by a neighbourhood
Plan would be in addition to the 2 sites chosen by EHDC in their plan? The SDNPA is a planning authority not a pressure group. They have an equal status with EHDC
on planing matters.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- A.R (17th Feb 2019 - 19:09:31)

John, The SDNP sounds very much like a pressure group to me.

Re: Cllr Jerrard in the news again!
- liz (18th Feb 2019 - 10:59:30)

AR

I do not live near either of the proposed development areas I was speaking about but I wonder about you. Particularly with your comments that the SDNP could be a pressure group (really?!) or the SDNP "could be held in contempt if houses are built in areas that could ruin Liphook." Nonsense indeed.

My "agenda" as you call it is to keep the SDNP as SDNP and not to have the land excluded simply because of a very vocal minority.

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