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Brexit - Adrian (15th Jan 2019 - 23:29:50) Well Theresa May has been defeated, no surprise there, she had no chance there was no deal that would have got a majority so this was inevitable. Now we need to face it were crashing out on a no deal, we need to realise that as the leaving date has been written into LAW only another LAW can change that and with only 41 business days left there is no time, and if anyone tried old Jacob and his friends would scupper any attempts. That said i think it will be all right, trading on WTO rules is nothing to be scared off. Also Europe and particularly Ireland will suffer so i think the EU will sort something out as a temporary measure to ease trade problems.

Re: Brexit - grant (16th Jan 2019 - 08:12:38) Thanks for your run down on Brexit. I can now sleep at night, knowing you think everything is gonna be all right. For a while, I was getting rather worried that we would have no trade deals at all, with anyone. I'll sit in my office and wait for it all to pickup now, looking forward to a great 2019????........

Re: Brexit - Jacob (16th Jan 2019 - 09:23:43) Good morning Adrian, I have showed my friend your messages, and his response was as follows:- "Tell Adrian that myself and wife have lost jobs due to Brexit, the company that we work for have moved to Europe as they don't want to lose the company that they have worked hard for the last 30 years. It not just me and my wife it's 160 other people" I am not going to say anymore on the matter.

Re: Brexit - A.R (16th Jan 2019 - 11:01:07) So Jacob, what is this company that has moved to Europe and you and your wife have lost your jobs. Considering we are not out of the EU they jumped very quickly. I have no doubt any business that is run well and paying our people a decent wage will survive, for those that paid poor wages we should not be concerned. Let's get back to how people were employed.

Re: Brexit - helen (16th Jan 2019 - 12:42:30) We should all look forward to rationing by that reasoning, we cannot turn the clock back, Jobs are more international now, with head offices wherever the best tax deal happens to be. We had become prosperous through Banking and related service industries, jobs which prior to the Eu did not exist. We also have a much higher population who need to find good jobs. Most of our main industries have foreign shareholders. Just the way it is now.

Re: Brexit - dave (16th Jan 2019 - 12:44:48) Oh thanks Adrian and AR, I will worry about the state of the country no more thanks to your reassuring post. If only our politicians shared your intellect, reasoning and understanding of this issue. I will certainly have a better nights sleep now

Re: Brexit - Ade (16th Jan 2019 - 12:53:57) FAKE NEWS...……..

Re: Brexit - A.R (16th Jan 2019 - 13:05:49) That's okay Dave, glad to have been some help. As a life long pessimist I have truly seen over the last two years TRUE pessimism, and what appears to be hunger for our country to fail dismally. How sad that given such an opportunity in our lifetime we are surrounded by such despair in our own abilities.

Re: Brexit - Rölli (16th Jan 2019 - 13:16:06) Pathetic! makes me wish I had never moved here.

Re: Brexit - A (16th Jan 2019 - 13:54:39) @ Helen - Not sure where you're getting your information from but Financial Services was a significant employer and wealth generator in the UK for many, many years prior to us joining the EU. See the link below. Indeed, the success of London as a major global financial centre is somewhat in spite of the EU, who have actively attempted to shift the emphasis from London to Frankfurt, not because of it. talk-business.co.uk/2018/11/01/why-london-is-the-financial-capital-of-the-world

Re: Brexit - liz (16th Jan 2019 - 14:33:39) A Some of what you say is true but free movement of services across Europe has been a massive boost and we are a service based economy. It is likely that if Brexit goes ahead Frankfurt will take London's leading position and many firms are preparing to move employees. London is still likely to hold a strong position in Financial Services but we we are just about to make things a lot more difficult for ourselves.

Re: Brexit - Ian (16th Jan 2019 - 15:18:09) Where do think all these Volkswagen, bmw and Audis for example come from! They need us more than we need them! (Not just the motoring industry but everything!) bye bye eu

Re: Brexit - liz (16th Jan 2019 - 16:52:06) Ian Brexit will not stop people buying German cars - they'll just be more expensive. And the British alternatives are...?

Re: Brexit - Jack (16th Jan 2019 - 17:19:15) Ian, that's nonsense. Refer the last thread that Adrian started, and the many previous ones. German car manufacturers might not like Brexit, but it is a very small part of the balance of trade. Financial Services pays the UK treasury £72bn in tax a year. If a notable part of that moves to the continent (and that drift has already started, excuse the pun), the £7.5bn (after rebates and grants) that we pay to be a member of the EU looks an absolute bargain. But lets not let facts get in the way of a good rant about the EU, after all, it hasn't stopped the newspapers from doing so. As for A.R. saying that any company relocating operations and staff to the EU is 'jumping the gun', that really is funny. With 70-odd days to go, and no way of knowing whether they can economically trade with their European suppliers/customers after March 29th, companies would be mad not to put in place their contingency plans now, indeed the Government recommended such action weeks ago. Many of my business clients and suppliers have set up European operations in the last six months. That said, this debate is all irrelevant now. All we can do is watch in horror as Mrs May, despite having her deal rejected in the Commons with the biggest loss ever in parliament, comes back to the house today saying that she will talk to other parties but only if they agree to small tweaks to her deal. She is in denial and it will cost our country dear. This is a catastrophic government, in place only because of a poor opposition. What did we do to deserve this? Brexiteers have got a new bandwagon to jump on - that realists are pessimists about the UK. After 20+ years of their pessimism about the EU, and the benefits to our economy and global status we enjoyed, it really is hypocritical. If no-deal Brexit is now coming, then I'm sure A.R., Ian and others will be delighted. I presume their income is safely insulated against a long-lasting deterioration in our economy. For the rest of us, hold on to your hats...

Re: Brexit - IAN (16th Jan 2019 - 17:42:56) These postings on Brexit are so depressing. There is a complete lack of tolerance with extremism on both sides, a total inability to pull together; clearly in less "enlightened" times the country would be at Civil war. Contributors seem entrenched with their opinions and statements like "they need us more than we need them" are the sort you hear in the playground. The complete lack of mature debate is shocking, statements are being made on both sides that are being presented as facts where clearly any reasonably intelligent person will see that the outcome is uncertain. It may be good, it may be bad, no-one knows, certainly no-one on Talkback. As a nation, not our greatest moment. Depressed, humiliated and embarrassed!

Re: Brexit - Brian (16th Jan 2019 - 17:57:57) Are German car manufacturers calling for a better deal for Britain? After all they know they will also lose out. Actually quite the opposite. They know that the EU is a key reason for their success and if they want to stay competitive in a global marketplace then they need to make sure that the EU is safeguarded after Brexit They know they will still be able to sell their cars here (just be more expensive). They also benefit from our reduced competiveness in being able to produce cars that can compete on the international stage. Companies like Honda in Swindon will take a hit to their supply chains and will have to adjust.

Re: Brexit - John (19th Oct 2019 - 01:29:12) I voted "Remain", but then,I've found and watched this video,trying to understand, why there is so much confusion and frustration re Brexit(Deal or No deal): youtube.com/watch?v=NEXr7S5Y4SQ and that put "a thought" in my head. If you have time, watch it ,too you won't regret it. Thank you.

Re: Brexit - John (22nd Oct 2019 - 22:02:32) Good evening all, If the clip, which I posted here recently (see the above) "rang the bell " for you, too , than have a look at the Sara Moore's "The Fourth Reich? The EU - An emerging German Empire" - a book ,which really deserves a "wide readership".

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 08:42:28) Throughout history it has been commonplace for nations divided by politics or religion to literally divide and set up two states in order that both parties can live in peace and not keep fighting each other. For example:- India and Pakistan; the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland; Israel and Palestine; North and South Korea, I believe Canada came about in order to stay with the Crown rather than the United States. (I'm sure all you Google experts will correct me if I'm remotely wrong). We could do the same here. All the remainers could move somewhere much nicer like Scotland and Wales, Ireland as well if the Taoiseach will have us. All you leavers can stay here wallowing in this mess of your own making. Yes, this is a bloody outrageous suggestion. The way things are going it could easily happen. Now start hammering away at your keyboard politics.

Re: Brexit - Another Leaver (23rd Oct 2019 - 11:21:03) See post Oliver Cromwell perhaps that’s what all the remainers should do plenty of room in the EU if they want to be Europeans. We would not have to build so many houses then we could get on and run our lovely country again the way WE want .

Re: Brexit - Leaver (23rd Oct 2019 - 11:27:37) Germany is in recession the rest are not far behind. Italy are bankrupt .We are doing great compared.

Re: Brexit - er (23rd Oct 2019 - 12:27:30) D. Partitioning doesn't really work either, India and Pakistan are nearly at war, both nuclear powers arguing over land rights in some mountain regions or other, the local populations not really wanting to be ruled by either, bombing each other with either Russian, Chinese or US warplanes, Israel and the Palestinian territories obviously not a great example at present, one being a nuclear power reclaiming it's old biblical rights and securities, the two sides completely locked in a cycle of mistrust and recrimination and frequent hostilities often dragging the whole region in, the 2 Irelands have always been a giant headache, especially now with the whole free trade backstop problem, North and South Korea constantly on brink of nuclear war, family against family, with the north protected by China and the south by American troops, the two largest nuclear powers on earth squaring up to each other over the China seas, remember too the Balkans and disputed borders, the Soviet Union, Canada maybe the only good example although less so if you are indigenous and not a settler, causing a lot of resentment in the Americas from north to south, which gets us onto the whole question of defining indigenous people's rights over newcomers, depending on which indigenous peoples are politically correct needing land rights and self determination and which are an outdated racist nationalistic concept hated by the left who need to assimilate and stop complaining, really I think it's just the human condition and the fact that we are a bickering, self focussed, easily misled species, in or out won't change that!

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 12:36:42) Another Leaver, I refer you to my earlier post on another thread, reference "uneducated masses".

Re: Brexit - Big Leaver (23rd Oct 2019 - 12:37:04) I think it’s same principle as going self employed!!!! First your worried, panicking about getting work in and how your going to pay bills and support your family. Hardly any work booked in at all. Suddenly word gets out and after hard work and negotiation you get the work and don’t look back!!! All scaremongering trying to rule the day but it certainly won’t put me off!!!!!

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 12:39:43) Another Leaver, Do you understand the item published referring to Cromwell?

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 12:42:32) Big Leaver, do the self employed still pay 2% less National Insurance than the rest of us? Everyone I know who's self employed always plead poverty.

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 12:43:40) The standard of written English on this website is appalling.

Re: Brexit - Big leaver (23rd Oct 2019 - 14:41:32) Hey smile face Do you still get paid holidays? Do you still get paid maternity leave? Do you get paid for working out of hours?? You’ve got no idea fella!!!

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 15:10:45) Dear er, As I said I'm sure there would be someone only too keen to correct me. Your post was all one sentence, how on EARTH can you read all that out loud without pausing for breath? Your lungs must be HUGE! Do you play bagpipes by any chance?

Re: Brexit - D (23rd Oct 2019 - 15:13:58) Another Leaver, Your post just proves my point. You don't want unification between the leavers and remainders, you want division.

Re: Brexit - D (24th Oct 2019 - 07:37:30) Big Lever, You don't get paid holiday? That's shocking, see your union. As for paid maternity leave I wouldn't worry, that came about as a result of the UK going into the Common Market so mothers everywhere will probably lose that soon once we leave. Why do employers include bank holidays as part of annual leave?

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