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Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (17th Aug 2018 - 10:55:45)
What are your thoughts about the massive area of road closures on the 23rd of September?
I have a friend who lives right in the middle of it and won't be able to use his car anywhere near his property for the whole day. Not normally a problem - but he has caring responsibilities.
My thoughts: On roads where diversions can be set up, I'm not opposed. When there is only ONE route in and out of an area with no other roads for local people to be diverted to conduct their business or get on with their lives - I don't think it is acceptable.
www.velosouth.com/the-route/road-closures
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul Robinson (17th Aug 2018 - 11:16:19)
I speak as one who is unlikely to be affected by this proposed closure but I wish to point out that this closure has been effected without reference to the Parish Councils affected by this closure which in effect will prevent all other traffic to and through villages on the route.
When contractors have to erect temporary closures in order to carry out road repairs they are obliged to signpost alternative routes and diversions. In this case if you have a home or a business on the route you will be unable to use the road at all!
According to Velo South's website * these closures effectively prevent all other traffic using the roads giving cyclists exclusive use for most of the day, Surely this cannot be right?
*Due to the scale and numbers participating in Vélo South, it will be necessary to implement road closures across the full route to facilitate the safe passage of cyclists.
Paul Robinson
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (17th Aug 2018 - 13:57:10)
I agree with Dawn. I assume they have the approval of the Highways Authority and police but surely local residents or at least local Councils should be contacted first? Nowhere near enough notice has been given - the race is only about 5 weeks away. Substantial amounts of roads are closed for long periods.
We had the leaflet shoved through our letterbox and are fortunately not affected but what if you needed regular access for carers during the day - or had even arranged a substantial family party or wedding reception in the area and no-one could get in or out?
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Geraint T (17th Aug 2018 - 15:24:54)
it's not a race, it's a sportive - There's a big difference - people of all abilities will be taking part from the very young to the very old.
About 15,000 folk will be riding their bikes in our beautiful English countryside without any fear of being mown down or having nastiness (not to mention MacDonalds detritus) directed at them just for one day.
There's a contact address for anyone who needs (not wants) access on the day to get in touch with the organisers ahead of time.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Rölli (17th Aug 2018 - 15:46:54)
I would be very miffed if I was denied the simple right to be get to and from my home because of a bunch of selfish lycra clad twerps with an over developed sense of entitlement. This country is going bonkers.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A. R (17th Aug 2018 - 16:07:30)
How on earth has this been allowed to go ahead ? Surely you can not close roads and demand people not to park in their roads just for a cycling spree.
I can see that there could be problems with ambulances getting as quickly to patients.
Why has there not been any information on this ?
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Gr (17th Aug 2018 - 17:13:35)
Had a flyer through the door giving road closure times
Going to cause chaos diverted traffic is going to clog all other routes
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- David (17th Aug 2018 - 19:31:38)
Yet another thread full of moaning and whining. Ride London manage it over a longer period on much busier roads. Do people think that an ambulance wouldn't get through- ridiculous statement. Assume that you lot also have a fit when the square is closed for carnival or the bike race each year. Why not spend the time looking at an alternative to get around the staggered closures or making alternative arrangements than rattling away at a keyboard. We should be proud that we live in an area so nice that events like this are decided to be held here! And for the record I am not riding in it or have any interest in it either!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- helen (17th Aug 2018 - 21:50:52)
If you see my earlier post 25 pounds per person to enter buys a lot of road closures! over 100 miles of road will be closed businesses severely
affected, the Wey and Arun Canal is having to close that day and they are a charity which potentially will lose at least One thousand pounds,
as the road at loxwood is going to be closed. Very selfish.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Grant (17th Aug 2018 - 22:01:10)
Totally agree with David.
It's a bit sad that people get on their high horse about a simple road closure for one day! In one year! PROBABLY IN ONE DECADE????!!!!!
I have never heard any complaints about the local road closures for events as mentioned by David.
Dawn you live in Passfield, how does this have such an impact on you and us locals to bother about???
1st world problem? I don't think so!!!!
ON YOUR BIKE!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (18th Aug 2018 - 00:04:50)
Grant - as I said originally - I'm posting for discussion as it is my one of my friends who has said that in his village there is only one road in and out and it will be closed all day.
I know that these events happen in London and the big towns, but on these rural roads, there are no alternative routes for traffic to divert to. They can't set up detours like they would for big city rides. My friend has have been told that they would have to leave their cars about 2 miles away from their homes if they wanted to use them, which - for people with health issues is no OK. Some people have to rush off at the drop of a hat when called and lives cannot be pre-planned as easily as you think.
When the cyclists are doing the time trial on the A3 at least you can get in the outside land and overtake most of the time, but to prohibit vehicular traffic for local people on roads where there is no alternative route just seems mad to me. It is not the way to get local people to support the event - it just causes bad feeling.
I don't think there is blame to be put on the cyclists per se, but don't think it can be very well thought out by the organisers and also don't understand why the council would just rubber stamp it without consulting with local Parish Councils or local people before-hand? I mean, sure, organise an event that people can support - but on routes that allow for alternative driving routes to allow people to get to work & attend to their daily lives.
I think that they are planning to do this as an annual event now.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- N (18th Aug 2018 - 02:24:23)
My thoughts are these:
What do you expect to get by complaining about this on a local talkboard? It's a genuine question. Because as far as I can see all this will do is wind people up - those that don't like it will be upset. And those that do like it will, no doubt, be annoyed by people complaining.
Instead of passive aggressive questions, why not direct your attention at those that organised the event and the road closure? You'll probably discover far more quickly why the roads are closed and how you are able to get access should you need it.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (18th Aug 2018 - 08:14:26)
David you have missed the point. All the events you mention are planned and well publicised over a year in advance. Plus the Carnival and Bike Ride do not involve full day closures of extensive stretches of road.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- wendy (18th Aug 2018 - 09:46:03)
could anyone please tell me what time the roads are closing and which are going to be affected? we are going on holiday early that day, and will need to get to Portsmouth early in the morning by car from Liphook. Thanks in advance
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Rachael (18th Aug 2018 - 11:50:51)
I live on one of the roads affected and I have effectively been told to either stay at home or stay out, ALL DAY. this is an outrageous infringement of my civil liberty
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- S (18th Aug 2018 - 22:58:34)
Suppose one response would be a some point to close all cycle lanes for a day and not allow cycling on 'public' roads during that time. Then the hardened lycras may start to understand the impacts of closing roads. Closing entire roads for cycling events and holding races on roads including the A31 (all too often) and A3 is bonkers. If people drove cars around velodromes lycras would be outraged ...
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (19th Aug 2018 - 08:16:25)
I have to say that the leaflets are poor, as the implication is that the “great initiative to get folks on two wheels and do something a bit different” is coming straight past my house.
If anyone bothers to look at the map, it’s nowhere near Liphook.
Looks like the way into the middle of the circular route from the west is A3 and A272 as the crossing point, so might mean loads more time and miles - but it is possible. And yes, an inconvenience - what can I say.
The only thing that might mildly p*ss me off is that I’d have to park at the green in Milland and cross the road for my Sunday beer at the Rising Sun.
Full disclosure - I’d love to enter, but celebrating a mates Birthday that weekend.
I will feel sorry for the poor folk, outside the area, say London, who have no advanced warning, visiting Aunty Dorris for the day, who lives just south of Fernhurst. Their day will be ruined.
I look forward to the evolution of the thread as it will probably cause a revolution !
Happy weekend, Finchie
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Iwik61 (19th Aug 2018 - 12:02:37)
Just to add to this thread got a client who is a serious tri athelete told me that she went on one of these last year,first and last time.So unorganised with proper competitors lined up with the weekend cyclists.Absolute chaos ,so dangerous and never again.Pure money making scheme.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (20th Aug 2018 - 15:15:04)
I just drove up to my son's new unit Nyewood/Rogate and the majority of the roads have signs all along them objecting to Velo South.
All of those roads will be closed for the whole day and the locals are outraged that they haven't been consulted. Apparently, not even the Parish Council were told in advance.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Sandy (20th Aug 2018 - 17:25:05)
There was an article on the local news this lunchtime about this.
May be repeated on this evenings news.
There are many protests against the road closures for this race.
May be worth watching local news this evening.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Grant (20th Aug 2018 - 18:19:24)
Having looked at the route, it appears that it passes through very low density area's, and not all the roads are closed all day. Therefore the impact is minimal, just plan your weekend around it.
I have been aware of this event for several month's, so don't see why the parish councils would not also been aware. I suspect they are not bothered, as they have no power at all.
Its one day for goodness sake, I also unstand that Nyewood village are embracing the event, barbecue, kids entertainment etc, so whats the problem for the locals?
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Richard (20th Aug 2018 - 18:50:18)
On the evening news there was mention of the event, and according to the BBC, the local councils haven't signed off on the road closures yet...
They also mentioned getting an injunction...
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (21st Aug 2018 - 08:56:21)
Grant
A large number of the roads are closed for a large part of the day.
I can be as smug as some posters and say lucky me I am not affected. If the people who are affected are happy with the event and feel there has been sufficient warning then fine, but somehow I doubt it. The risk is that this is not a one off and these events will become more frequent.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul (21st Aug 2018 - 09:26:23)
If you read the Chichester Observer you can find out what's actually happening, as they are directly affected whereas Liphook is not at all affected.
The event was signed off by the Police, County Council and organisations such as South East Coast Ambulance were consulted - and not one raised any objection. Instead, it seems the various Councils around Chichester see this as an opportunity to promote West Sussex and healthy living.
The organisers - CSM - are currently reviewing the road closures having been asked in public consultation if it might be possible to have limited rolling-road closures. That sounds sensible to me. CSM are a private company, have organised similar events elsewhere with varying degrees of success.
I have no connection to any part of this, just that as I travel to/from Goodwood a lot I needed to find out what my travel options were and found there are groups in the West Sussex area working with the event to try and get a sensible final position while there is still time.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A.R (21st Aug 2018 - 13:12:27)
This event was held in Birmingham last year and apparently went down like a lead balloon. Not being held there again.
I have family in Brighton, let's hope I don't need to go down there that day, and I would love to know where everybody is going to park their cars. I certainly would not move mine for them.
I think the closer this event gets the more people will become enraged at the demands of the organisers. I bet most didn't even read the leaflet put through the door, thinking it just junk mail.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Promote Sussex (21st Aug 2018 - 17:18:47)
All riders are helping their fitness in training and taking part in the Velo event, this in turn brings less demands on the NHS, plus where riders are raising money for charities there are another set of community benefits
Closing roads minimises the vehicle movements, hence reducing environmental pollution, and encourages people fitness. The closure will also make it easier access for emergency services, for the cyclists themselves might need their support, so are the least likely to cause a holdup in access
As the roads will be closed for less than a third of on one Day out of 365 in a year, this seems an opportunity for everyone in the community to gain benefit
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (21st Aug 2018 - 19:18:11)
I really am in two minds about it.
One the one hand - sporting events are good for health and recreation etc etc, but on the other - plan a route which doesn't affect the liberties and freedoms of those near it.
If you create a route which means people either have to stay in all day, or leave their house all day with no prospect of returning - simply because you have chosen roads with no detour available - then you are bound to negatively affect the people who are trapped in (or out) of their homes. Trapped is a rather exaggerated descriptor - but nonetheless, that seems to be how the local villagers feel.
I understand that Liphook is not directly affected, but the Rogate stretch is only 5 miles away, and I imagine that many people travel in that direction. We, for example, are spending every weekend making the industrial unit we have just purchased fit for use. We work during the week so can only do it at weekends. We will not be able to get to the unit on this day. I know it is not a huge drama - but it is not true to say that the people of Liphook won't be affected.
I happened to meet a Parish Councillor from Trotton village. She was ranting about it as they had zero information about road closures. They were told by the council that there was a bike race - they were not consulted beforehand about road closures - not told about it at all. The whole village of Trotton will be shut. It is not fair to say that they had no interest - they were kept in the dark - just like everyone else.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul (22nd Aug 2018 - 09:52:38)
The organisers have already said they are reviewing the road closures. Not all roads are closed - some are reduced flow / single lane (controlled by marshals for 2 way traffic), and others are controlled by temporary traffic lights (e.g. the A272 and the Rogate crossing mentioned several times in this thread).
Again, the articles in the Chichester Observer suggest there are workable plans being put in place, it seems like a sensible source of information.
On the weekend in question, I need to get to and from Chichester twice. There are plenty of options to get there, the event is unlikely to have a great impact on such a journey given it's a Sunday.
Good luck to anyone taking part, particularly if they are riding for one of the many charities or in memory of relatives who have passed away.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- oldie (24th Aug 2018 - 00:08:53)
With all this fuss about a cycle event I thought I'd have a quick look to see who was organising it, so, having finished my nightshift and needing to unwind before bed I made a cup of tea and fired up google, half expecting it to be a local cycling charity.
Apparently it's run by Velo South which I googled. I noticed at the bottom of the website it says 'brought to you by CSM Active Ltd'
Out of curiosity I googled them too. On their Companies House accounts their address is listed as a PO Box in Buckingham Gate. Intrigued I read on. They say they're immediately controlled by CSM Sport and Entertainment International Ltd, so as I was still dunking my third McVities I looked them up as well...
In fact (as you may expect with companies nowadays) it all got a bit tricky here, on their 2016 accounts the 'ultimate parent company' was named as a group registered in Luxembourg but the 'largest group for whom the accounts are prepared and of which the group is a member' is named as Chime Group Holdings Ltd and the smallest group is 'Chime Group Ltd' both UK companies with a healthy set of multi million pound results
In 2015 they were brought by Providence Equity Partners a $60 billion dollar US investment fund set up by Rhode Islands richest man, a Mr Nelson.
And somehow I doubt he's reading Liphook Talkback!
But if he is, I'd like to say we very much support cycling here in Liphook, just maybe need to work on your local communication a little.
Goodnight all!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul Robinson (24th Aug 2018 - 08:15:21)
Oldie
I am sure that your researches will have revealed the role that Lord Coe (who is no stranger to controversy) is playing in this matter
Paul Robinson
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (24th Aug 2018 - 08:18:40)
A big money making scheme. Surprise surprise!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (24th Aug 2018 - 08:59:16)
Oldie, surprised you stayed awake to finish that McVitie. Great post which I’ll be using tonight to drop off :-)
Just spotted that Lord Sebastion Coe is the chairman of CSM Sport and Entertainment ! That will light a fuse ! Wolfie ?
Clever marketing company. They’ve just saved a boat load in marketing and advertising as everyone who can read knows the date ! More for their profits.
Cyclists are up in arms too. The 25 quid parking fee on top of the hefty entry fee, to park in a field, is a bit rich. The need to register the day before, a pain in the neck. Casual cyclists can’t just join for part of the route so not an inclusive event. The necessity to put armoured tyres on to avoid punctures from tacks (perpetrators should be jailed for that - attempted murder). I could go on.
I’d still love to do it if I could !!!
Fingers crossed it becomes an annual event and I can do it next year. That way County Councils may have a reason to actually fill some potholes and do some resurfacing.
Never know, it might get embraced, and we get the Tour de France through again one year. Now that would be cool. The new Yorkshire of the South. They have progressed so much they run the Tour de Yorkshire annually. Even cooler. Looks like folks would be well up for that.
Have a happy and chilled weekend not getting too wound up by the local shenanigans, Finchie.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (24th Aug 2018 - 10:39:23)
All people want is a well organised event with plenty of notice and this doesn't seem to be it. They've been stopped in Birmingham (for the time being at least) because of last year's chaos, but have managed to sell it to some of our unsuspecting local councils. To compare it to the Tour de France is a bit of an insult to that event really.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (24th Aug 2018 - 14:29:09)
Just to clarify Liz, I wasn’t comparing Velo South to the Tour de France !
It was bit of an obscure reference that would be confusing to anyone with no particular interest in cycling. Oooops. Sorry about that Liz (and probably the majority of others).
To explain - Very frequently, the Tour de France start the race in another country. Three or four years ago the start of the race was in Yorkshire and went down to London.
A few years before that it came through London and some parts of the South (close to here if I recall).
It is a spectacular and special event and it would be great to have it come through the middle of Liphook to witness how the roundabouts could be taken at speed !
If Velo South did a great job, the route could be a candidate to future TdF stages. I think you’ll be safe though !
It is fair to say the Tour de France orgainisers are brilliant and head and shoulders above the current shambles ! To be fair though, it only involves a couple of hundred riders so roads are only shut for an hour or so !
Hope that clarifies ?
Happy weekend, Finchie
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Unknown (24th Aug 2018 - 15:11:57)
Deal with it people it’s only for one day and most of you will be inside on your computers moaning about the next problem Liphook is facing.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (24th Aug 2018 - 15:29:58)
I think I'm quite clear on the Tour de France but you did seemed to be pulling everything together. No matter, your final paragraph sums
up my thoughts on the proposed Velo South very well!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (28th Aug 2018 - 13:17:08)
Well (unknown)
If it was your grandma sitting in bed all day in a dirty incontinence pad would you be telling her to 'deal with it'?
None of the care agencies have got permission to drive to their patients and neither do meals on wheels have permission to deliver food.
for the majority of us, not being able to drive in or out of our houses for one day is not a big issue. But, for the minority it IS a big issue. A very big issue.
We all love a great sporting event, and like to get involved - but closing down so many villages so entirely by choosing a route that has no detours? How is that good for local people?
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Lyndsey James (28th Aug 2018 - 16:59:41)
Dawn,
Just have a little think back to winter time when it’s too icy or too much snow (rarely happens I know) and nobody can get cars out of driveways or roads etc........ if an emergency vehicle needed to get to somebody in need, there would always be a way.
This road closure is for a very small period of time and its for a great fitness event that brings many many people out.
Rather than moan about it, get behind these people and enjoy it.
I’ve seen your name on a quite a few posts and you’re generally complaining. You seem very pessimistic, what a shame to have to live like that.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (28th Aug 2018 - 18:14:03)
Lyndsey James, as you only know what I've written here - you don't know me at all. Judging an entire person and everything about them on words written on local topics?
Since my cardiac arrest, I live every day and every minute to the full, I enjoy my time - and fill my days and weekends with activities and people and am a (glass overflowing) person - certainly not a glass half empty person.
No one has said that a cycle race isn't a good idea, but locals can't park outside their homes from 00.01 on Saturday night / Sunday morning through until 10pm or drive in or out of their homes.
I support the idea of an inclusive community sporting event - particularly if it is a charitable organisation as local people can really get behind it, enjoy it and support it.
This is not inclusive, it is not a charity, has been set up with little or no thought about local people. It is lining the pockets of an off-shore registered corporation and causing havoc to thousands of people. I am perfectly aware that it is only for one day - but if that is how people feel then you have to at least accept that that is how they feel. They feel like that because this has been foisted upon them with no discussion - not because they are pessimistic moaners who don't want to support healthy life choices.
This is a discussion forum and the road closures will affect anyone that has to drive in that direction.
If you speak to any of the people in the villages along the route they will tell you that they are not supportive and don't want it. You may not agree with their stance, but telling them that they are all moaning about nothing will not change anyone's mind.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- sidge (28th Aug 2018 - 18:18:50)
Lyndsay, I don't know Dawn, but I enjoy reading her posts, they are always articulate and well argued, don't stop posting Dawn!!!
I love Liphook Talkback great for moaning!!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Donald T (28th Aug 2018 - 21:30:06)
If the parish council did not know about the event, they should of read their minutes in MAY!!!!
Fake news.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul (29th Aug 2018 - 08:23:32)
Wow. Has anyone complaining about the road closures actually contacted the Velo South email / helpline for information and advice? If so, what did they say to you?
Thanks to the negative publicity around this event the vitriol to local cyclists who mind their own business has gone through the roof. Elsewhere on other sites the peak of aggression has actually included hints of airguns - think about that for a second, that people are so worked up about one event that they are encouraging extreme violence to those innocently taking part. That transcends any issues around a road being closed for a few hours and anyone agreeing with such sentiments has lost their moral high ground IMHO.
I did contact Velo South, found a route to where I need to get to on the day, and in asking also found out that the marshals can and will help everyone from emergency services to carers navigate around the closures.
I've nothing to do with the event, but sometimes if you just stay calm and find facts you discover that things are not nearly as bad as you imagine.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (29th Aug 2018 - 11:25:29)
I'm certainly not condoning any aggression or threats, but any negative publicity is the fault of the organisers for not giving adequate warning to households affected.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (29th Aug 2018 - 15:56:39)
Donald T - I am reliably informed by Cllr Carola Brown of Trotten Parish Council that they were NOT informed that the roads would all be closed and that they would have to remove all cars from 00.01 on Saturday night/Sunday morning. They were told that there was going to be a road race - they were NOT told of the roads closing.
I am also told that many of the cyclists have been told that the roads are closed completely, whereas they are open to pedestrians and other cyclists. This means that on very narrow roads there will often be people walking their dogs or cycling towards them. Most of the competitors have not been told of this.
The other thing that the competitors have been told is that there will be no cars. In fact - the prohibition cannot legally last for more than 8 hours so many people will demand to drive in or out 8 hours after their closure begins - this will inevitably be before many of the competitors have finished so they will have to deal with vehicles - cars and particularly tractors as the farmers have up until that point been prevented from attending their fields and animals.
West Sussex County Council have been completely bamboozled by Velo South [controled by CSM an off-shore registered company] who implied that it was
inclusive
charity event
that there would be rolling roadblocks
they would set up a means for assistance vehicles to get through
It is not inclusive - local people cannot be a part of it for their own local 'leg' and only very serious cyclists would attempt a 100 race.
it is absolutely NOT a charity and CSM are not even registered in the UK for tax purposes.
There are no rolling roadblocks. The crossing points are only open after the last cyclist has passed - it is many hours between the first and last competitor,
at this point, there is still no means for meals on wheels and caregivers to get through.
Local people are very distressed and there are thousands affected, many of whom have still not received notification. Busnesses with Sunday openings in the bigger towns like Petworth, Pulborough, Midhurst, Chiddingfold etc will be severely affected as will every pub/restaurant in all the smaller towns.
If you know anyone living in: East Lavant, West, Stoke, West Broyle, Oakwood, Ashling, Funtington, Adsdean, Lordington, Walderton, West Marden, Compton, South Harting, Nyewood, Rogate, Lynchmere, tuning right at Hillbrow on the Rake road to Fernhurst, Lickfold, Lurgashall, up by Fisherstreet to Plaistow, Loxwood, turning back down to Clemsfold, Slinfold, Fiveoaks, Itchingfield, Horsham, Barns Green, Southwater, Copsale, Maplehurst, West Grinstead, Partridge Green, Bines Green, Ashurst, Steyning, Wiston, Ashington, Warminghurst, Coolham, Adversane, North Heath, Codmore Hill, Pulborough, Stopham, Fittleworth, Egdean, Byworth [Petworth is a disaster] Coultershaw Bridge, Heath End, Duncton, Barlavingtonton, East Lavington, Upwaltham, Eartham, Halnaker, Boxgrove, Strettingon.....please do let them know. These are just the villages that will be closed to vehicles, obviously, there are many more villages stuck inside of this circular route that won't be able to get in or out for the duration.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Donald T (29th Aug 2018 - 16:50:02)
Extract from Parish Meeting dated 11th June 2018
North Chichester CLC meeting on 19 June at Elsted is an opportunity for residents to ask questions of
WSCC Members and Officers. Organisers of Velo South event will be taking questions - Villages need
to plan for the day and cars will need to be removed from the route. The literature drop has not been
successful in the local area.
Would appear that the Local Cllr's have been on holiday?!
Some of the stuff on this thread is rather OTT!!!!
As Michael Winner used to say 'Calm down dear'
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul (29th Aug 2018 - 21:35:43)
Honestly, it's a (big) bike ride on a Sunday, not the End of Days.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Lord Liphook (29th Aug 2018 - 22:12:10)
Its an outrage!!!!
Lucrative Lycra, it may be, but all these people do not live locally.
So why complain, please do refrain from getting on you high horse again.
It's merely a day in the year when life isn't just so, just let it go?
In a few weeks time all will be done, and we can start another thread for the special one.
Schools are back next week, they will all complain, we can't use our roads again.!!!???
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (29th Aug 2018 - 23:23:39)
From looking at the route, and the big brown dotted lines with “access over, under or across the route”, I’m still struggling to see any villages stuck inside the circular route.
Again for those who have missed it or chose to ignore it...
velosouth.com/the-route/road-closures
I have no doubt the marshals will be hugely practical and let traffic through when they can, they’re not idiots. It won’t be like London (the Prudential event) where everywhere has barriers.
There will be peaks of a couple of hours when the “mass” go through. Figure out where you live on the route, average speeds will probably be 13 to 15 miles per hour for the “mass”. Start times probably 7am to 9am. That’s enough for folks to get an idea of the peaks, if you can’t work it out, ask someone who can ! E.g. My guess is The Rising Sun in Milland being about 70 miles in will have it’s peak around 1pm to 3pm, so get your beers and watch !
BTW, fascinatating fact: if you put all 15,000 cycles end to end that is only 10 miles, a tenth of the course, and they would only take an hour to go past you. Many cyclists will be cycling a sociable two to even three broad plus overtaking. The event is over 12 hours. There will be loads of gaps - more gaps than the organisers planning and communication 😂😂😂
Avoid planning to drive on the actual route, as that is plain stupid, but there are plenty of options !
Yup there is the odd cul-de-sac, like those llamas on south today - very exceptional (and unfortunate).
It’s not a race, probably majority of reasonable Mamils (I confess) just wanting to experience a closed road not wanting to argue with Range Rovers (why is always them !). However, looks like will get the full air gun, tack and pitchfork experience instead. If stopped for any urgent traffic, I’m sure cyclists will be perfectly reasonable and will appreciate the rest !
Hopefully a bit of practical constructive advice and a reality check !
For those participating, well jell, hope you enjoy.
Happy mid-week, Finchie
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (30th Aug 2018 - 08:46:00)
Road closures 7-9 hours
Funtington to South Harting 9.15 -18.30
South Harting to Rogate 8.45-17.45
Rogate to Fernhurst 8.30-17.30
Fernhurst to A283 8.15 to 16.45
A283 to Plaistow 8.00-16.00
Plaistow to Rudgewick 8.00-15.15
Not a national event, not a charity event, poor track record.
Local people are being told to work round it, basically put up or shut up.
Something not quite right here!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (30th Aug 2018 - 11:10:08)
Lord Liphook
Imagine it was your relative with dementia that couldn't get her visit, or had to stay in bed or had to sit in a soiled incontinence pad, or didn't get her meals on wheels, or had to cancel their wedding or lost £thousands on a busy trading day, or had to leave their ponies/cattle unattended. . . . . . . would you still be saying - just get over it? I doubt it.
Although I am inconvenienced (I can't get to the unit in Nyewood which we are only able to renovate over the weekends) I am not one of the many vulnerable people that are most affected. To them, one day left alone IS a big deal.
I joined the Facebook group and its literally full of people who just can't cope because of various special needs and Velo South are being totally useless at giving them options - particularly on the stretches that are closed for more than 8 hours.
This is a local issue and this is a local discussion board and people in Liphook are affected - so why is there such resistance to this issue being discussed? I don't understand.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Lord Liphook (30th Aug 2018 - 13:03:40)
Where's there's a will there's a way.
What happens in the winter when the roads can be blocked, I suspect Local people might look out for their neighbours in need.
Animals survive in harsh conditions for long periods of time, without assistance.
Dawn, just get to your unit before the road closure 8:45am, work all day and then leave after 17:45pm?
Facebook is a load of nonsenses, what do people think they are going to achieve? My guess is absolutely NOTHING!!!! at best massage there ego.
Time for a nice glass of port and a block of cheese, I might even make myself a round of sandwiches just in case I can't get out tomorrow.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (30th Aug 2018 - 14:29:54)
Dawn
Could be wrong but I suspect 'Lord Liphook' has nothing to do with Liphook! He/she is just trying to ridicule those who have genuine concerns about the event in an attempt to deter any criticism.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (30th Aug 2018 - 19:22:45)
Well, Liz - he doesn't know the difference between their, they're and there - that's for sure!
I mean - really - if you're going to slag me off - at least do it in correct English LOL
I've lost all respect now LOL
Meanwhile, the press are really picking up on the problems facing local people with special needs, farmers, pubs, sporting and equestrian events facing last-minute cancellation, the lack of notification and continued lack of assistance from people contacting CSM etc
I also saw a really disingenuous video clip trying to state it was a 'charitable event'. It is far from a charity I can assure you!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- helen (2nd Sep 2018 - 07:59:13)
It is a symptom of how some people these days believe they are " entitled", entitled to disrupt other peoples' lives for the pleasure of paying
25 pounds to dress in lycra on local roads. Some of the posts on this thread seem very defensive of this commercial, disruptive event which will cause a lot of local problems.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (4th Sep 2018 - 06:35:21)
And your point is ?
It’s a healthy debate, mostly civilised !
My ultra quick assessment
Defending the event: 11 people
Against the event: 9 people
Neutral: 6 people
Interesting ! If you asked me before looking back at this thread, I would have said 80 % against the event. Maybe I’m just sensitive !
Enjoy your day everyone, Finchie
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (4th Sep 2018 - 14:59:09)
That may be true Paul, but not here. This is about concerns regarding how many people are likely to be negatively affected by this event due to the lack of consultation/planning. As Finchie said "healthy debate, mostly civilised".
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- lac (5th Sep 2018 - 10:26:57)
Thought I would add my six pennyworth to this thread.
The event seems worthwhile - increasing the populations health by being active. However, there are many ways already of being active. The problem sits with the 15,000 people who will ride, drawn mainly from a very large south east population of 8.6m. It's not a world championship or olympics. If this becomes an annual event (which it probably will) it then becomes a major problem for all those affected by road closures. Its difficult enough moving round the South East without an additional hurdle (wall?) being placed in the way. I'm not aware of any consultation over this, referendum or any other form of asking the public. We have been basically been told public highways will be closed for some/all of the day. Does that mean car tax payers get back 1/365 of their tax? Or affected businesses 1/365 of their takings/profits. If cyclists want to cycle then they should be lobbying their politicians to provide separate cycle paths (not stupid white lines on the side of the road) to cycle on. They manage this in Europe, why is the UK so useless at doing this? I personally don't think this event is worth the disruption to a large number of people so that 15000 cyclists can wander about the nicest parts of the countryside on public roads. There are hundreds of miles of footpaths and bridleways to use. You can even ride a bike legally on the bridleways and avoid 14,999 fellow cyclists. Who knows you may actually enjoy the peace and quiet of a rural area.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (5th Sep 2018 - 12:01:11)
Helen
I think every participant is paying about £200 (that's if they want to park).
The very funny thing is that some of the participants have only just realised that they will drive to park at Goodwood (who is making a fortune just for the days parking) but when they have finished the race and returned to their cars ........ they can't get out ...... the roads are closed.
TA DA!!
They seem very upset about this.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Paul (6th Sep 2018 - 09:50:36)
IMHO the fact that one single event (however organised, however people have responded to it) has had the effect of polarising communities (for example, the non-cycling versus cycling communities) is actually quite depressing. There seem to be many other things in life that are more important to worry about.
And I don't know how I feel about the news that Police time is being taken up investigating the various social media platforms and the people on these who have commented.
Interestingly, I'm also reading about quite a number of local businesses (hotels, restaurants, coffee shops) that are supporting the event and already saying it's had a positive impact - fully booked up for the days leading up to the event with families coming to cheer for mums and dads that are taking part for whatever reason (some just to have a goal of riding 100 miles which seems madness to me but each to their own!).
I also read about the Birmingham event, where there are of course 2 sides. And a lovely statement from a lady in Birmingham who said the road closures turned out to be a minor inconvenience.
Personally, I've accepted my journey into Chichester on that day is likely to mean heading down the A3 and the A27, but hey it's a Sunday and hopefully the sun will be shining for a nice trip to work!
Good luck to anyone taking part, best wishes to any businesses embracing it, and hopefully anyone affected by road closures will still somehow have a good day.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- P Weyland (6th Sep 2018 - 10:35:47)
There are many events around the World that run on closed roads; Isle of Man TT, London Marathon, TdF, Monaco Grand Prix etc.
Wonder how they cope?
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (6th Sep 2018 - 10:47:32)
How do they cope? They are well planned and well organised. People
affected are made aware over a year in advance.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (6th Sep 2018 - 18:47:11)
My entry cost £83.54 back in March, before I had checked the diary to find I am busy !! Doh ! The parking is 25 quid on top of that, but lots of car sharing going on.
Incidentally I got a reply from the organisers after I requested that, while safety is the priority, marshalls will be well briefed to be practical and let traffic through available gaps. I was hoping for something like "of course" but at least I got a reply ...
"Whilst Marshals need to be firm in order to ensure the safety of riders and pedestrians alike, our team are always well briefed in order maintain a good relationship with the General Public".
Bit whishy-washy for my liking, but that's all I have !
Cheers, Finchie
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A.R (7th Sep 2018 - 11:20:55)
Had to go down to Brighton yesterday and there were quite a lot of stop Velo posters through the villages that will be affected.
I foresee trouble ahead.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Mark (7th Sep 2018 - 14:35:10)
If we as residents had been asked or even informed with more than 6 weeks notice we could have planned for animals, Carers, jobs and businesses to function.
There has been absolutely no regard for anyone and it is purely to line CSMs pockets. I called my equine vets to make sure they could get to me if necessary and no they can’t, in fact they knew nothing about it, nor can any of the other 4 equine vets practices in West Sussex that I could use.
That makes for a very worrying day caring for my animals after I’ve walked to my yard because I’m not allowed to drive there.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Tony Asman (7th Sep 2018 - 15:34:39)
Some people want to stop the event which is understandable but if you see the benefits you can register your support here (as featured on BBC Sussex)
you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/we-welcome-the-velo-south
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Frank Dymore (7th Sep 2018 - 15:35:37)
I see some people using the ‘it’s only one day, what are you on about’ argument, well it’s caused me to cancel my birthday party and a rare opportunity to have all of my family in one place. I absolutely resent a jumped up private company dictating what I can or can’t do in my own home, My only access to a road is closed so I am unable to anything else but get out onto said road on the day and protest in a vigorous fashion.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A.R (8th Sep 2018 - 18:00:34)
This is the link on Facebook for information and discussion on Velo South, makes for some interesting reading.
www.facebook.com/....
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Simon (20th Sep 2018 - 14:05:06)
Weather looking good for this - 40mph winds and heavy rain. Enjoy.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A Rider (20th Sep 2018 - 16:48:05)
@simon - yes, I am! As are thousands of others!
Come join in the fun!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- starman (20th Sep 2018 - 19:39:38)
Hopefully it will be a commercial "downfall"
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Finchie (20th Sep 2018 - 20:39:51)
The Velo South has been cancelled.
Looks like a fair few will be happy - and your rain dance worked !
You can put your pitchforks away, use the drawing pins on a board and let the kids have their air guns back for shooting tin cans.
For me it is great news as I should be able to do the re-scheduled event and will be first in the queue. I may even consider raising money for a charity I can find affected by any road closures. I think the “llama” guys on the news are prime candidates !
Happy Weekend, Finchie
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Bubbles (20th Sep 2018 - 21:00:18)
Event cancelled tonight due to weather forecast on Sunday
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A Rider (20th Sep 2018 - 23:53:25)
Loads of riders planning on doing the route on Saturday and over the following weeks. Sunday's weather just means it now happens over other days (not as an organised event).
And instead of losing money, riders will either get a full refund or entry into Velo South 2019 .. !!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (21st Sep 2018 - 07:11:19)
Do they cancel the Tour de France if it's a bit windy?
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Rachael (21st Sep 2018 - 08:02:29)
@A Rider, the whole issue wasn’t the cyclists, it was the road closures! Excellent news that this selfish event has been cancelled
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A Rider (21st Sep 2018 - 10:47:40)
@Rachael - agree on the argument with CSM and road closures, but the SVS group lost the moral high-ground when they let 'members' threaten individual cyclists with violence (for those who may not be aware - some (not all) of the SVS forum members threatened diesel on bends, tacks and cheese-wire across descents, and shootings with air-guns).
As the SVS group was against the road closures and not cyclists, they should have no problem this weekend and for many to come with all the riders who are still planning to complete the 100 miles. I saw one rider who raised £2,000 for Breast Cancer who feels she owes it to her sponsors to actually complete the 100 miles and she's heading out tomorrow to complete 'her side of the deal' with them. That's guts and determination.
And plans already underway for Velo South 2019!
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Dawn Hoskins (21st Sep 2018 - 21:39:49)
A Rider, I was reading both the Velo South 2018 page and the Stop Velo south page every day - and never saw a single threat on the 'stop' page.
I would be interested to know exactly who made a threatening post in the 'stop' group - perhaps you can provide a link?
On the Velo South 2018 page, I saw numerous people mentioning that this type of post existed but no actual evidence of it. I suspect it was a hangover from the memory of the previous Velo South in Birmingham which was run so badly and alienated so many people that there were tar and tacks thrown on the road. I have not, NOT, seen any mention of that in this area. none at all.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Donald T (22nd Sep 2018 - 11:22:12)
Liz,
Number of professional riders in the Tour de France 160.
Amateur riders raising money for charity, 15000 (15 thousand)
Silly statement.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A Rider (22nd Sep 2018 - 16:51:00)
@Dawn, there are plenty of screen-shots of the threats on social media, although I understand that the originals (which I saw, personally) were taken down after people who made them were identified and reported to the police.
I saw that you were on both FB threads - if you go back through the posts on the Velo South group you will see the screen shots from around 3 weeks ago.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A Rider (22nd Sep 2018 - 17:24:25)
@Dawn - I wasn't sure I would find it from the literally hundreds of posts, but yes the Velo South page still has screen-shots in 'comments' including threats made by certain members of the SVS page.
It requires a lot of searching, but they are there.
I don't wish to even perpetuate any of the comments on either page so I won't cut and paste here, but I appreciate you will be interested in proof so here's the best I can give you to help find the exact post:
Post on 15 September at 15:58 to the Velo South group regarding a possible walking protest, there is a reply to the top comment which contains a screen-shot from a named individual on the SVS page threatening tacks and diesel on the route into Pulborough specifically.
I saw from later posts that the individual making the threat was identifiable and so was reported to the police.
I hope this helps locate but one example.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- liz (22nd Sep 2018 - 20:12:29)
Donald T. Charity? Maybe some but it is generally not a fund raising event it is a commercial enterprise - don't be fooled.
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- AJ (22nd Sep 2018 - 20:38:53)
People are sad who moan about the cycles ride
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- A Rider (23rd Sep 2018 - 11:14:33)
Given weather, not A Rider today :)
But anyway ....
Dawn, did you find the details of the screenshots linking to the threats?
My reason for asking is that in your last post you said there were no such threats, that you had not seen them.
It would be useful to check and confirm if you have now seen the actual threats that exist ....
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- AJ (23rd Sep 2018 - 16:23:53)
I really hope the cycles ride go ahead next year
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Re: Huge road closure 23/09/18 for a bike race.
- Lord Liphook (23rd Sep 2018 - 21:32:23)
Let's campaign for for Velo 2019 to pass through Liphook!!!!
We could combine it with a fund raising event for the carnival??
Thousands of riders, 50p to go through the Tollgate.
Min £5k everyone's a winner?
I'll double feed the cattle and make sure dear old nanna is catered for.
Genius me thinks!!!
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