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Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (12th Oct 2021  19:07:37)

Hi,
Am I missing something in the U.K. during this biggest health event in 100 years?
Now not reported daily like before.Today we had over 38,000 new cases reported, 181 deaths, and 766 people admitted to hospital.
This is appalling, and not statics from other illness.
Double jabbed (or booster) is not enough, the virus is still a killer.
A lot of people have become complacent, I can also understand one's life needs to carry-on, but if we have a future, and families from this pandemic.
The next one that will happen in our lifetimes, so we need to know how to survive and live together.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (15th Oct 2021  11:52:29)

Paul

Let me help you. Since the last lockdown ended we are running at about 40,000 infections per day and around 150 deaths per day. These figures change daily but these are about right.

Just think about it for a minute, now I know deaths lag infections and by that I mean people whom die will pass away a week or two after infection is detected.

However this rate of infection has been holding steady so therefore the death rate for this virus is around 0.4% or to reverse it the survival rate is 99.6%. However even these figures are an exaggeration as a number of people who catch it have little or no symptoms and so would not have a test and not be included in the number of infections which means the mortality rate of 0.4% will be a lot lower.

So Paul the virus is not as dangerous as the media is making out, sure people have died but it's not that many.

In addition the amount of deaths they announce are NOT people who died of Covid only those who died after a positive test and may well have died of something else. If I had a positive Covid test and the next day got run over by a bus I would be listed as a Covid death.

Also bear in mind that the normal death rate in this country is around 1,600 people every day.

This is why i'm not scared, this is why I never wear masks, I use public transport several times a week, I never clean shopping trolleys and go to cinema, theatre and restaurants whenever I want.

I hope I have helped you, and removed your blinkers.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- anon (15th Oct 2021  12:16:08)

Great to see you took the ā€œbe kind to othersā€ message on boardā€¦..

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (15th Oct 2021  18:55:29)

Hi AF,
Thank you for your reply.

I do not wear blinkers, unless they are recommended for use against the Covid 19 virus.

There have been 1 million cases now reported, the highest since last January.
5468 hospitalizations, 827 the daily figure, and increasing.
You may not be bothered about this still declared Pandemic, but for many vulnerable people it is still a concern.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- passfield resident (15th Oct 2021  20:45:16)

AF- why do you think anyone would be impressed by your saying " I'm not scared" repeatedly and boasting about not wearing a mask? I'm not scared of being run over by a bus, but I still cross roads carefully. My father has severe COPD and could well die from covid if he caught it, in spite of being double vaccinated. If you are in Sainsburys proudly not wearing your mask , keep your distance from me please or I'll ask less politely

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ian (15th Oct 2021  22:18:04)

Stop feeding the Troll! If you look at all of AF posts itā€™s clear she/he is attention seeking and looking to provoke! Treat ANYTHING he/she says with a large degree of scepticism

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ann (16th Oct 2021  07:43:15)

Well said Ian, AF is a right plonker. Ignore him/hereveryone.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (16th Oct 2021  12:30:18)

God, we have some saps in Liphook. Well said AF but I fear you are wasting your breath on them. Only time will open some of their eyes.
unfortunately not all. Propaganda in this instance has been far too demonstative and damaging. I will await the oncoming critics but will be glad to debate this a couple of years down the line and to see how minds will have to accept that this virus will always be amongst us.
At Anne, My first sentence may be astounding but none so more than your use of the word " plonker "

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Helen (16th Oct 2021  13:17:48)

Alison, just because you and yours were lucky enough to get through having caught covid, does not mean you will not catch it again. Perhaps you should spare a thought for the more vulnerable and the NHS staff you put at risk by spreading the virus around when you caught it.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (16th Oct 2021  15:19:42)

Just a quick fact that you may decide to ignore.

With all the Hype the media keeps promoting you would think that COVID is the leading cause of death.

It is not, in fact in the list of causes of death Covid is way down in 9th position, in fact the leading cause of death is Altziemers/Dementia which at the moment has five times the amount of deaths than Covid. Other conditions that are ahead are various cancers, heart issues and influenza/pneumonia. The media doesn't seem worried by them, and with all the paranoia about Covid people with some of these conditions have suffered and possibly died, when with treatment could have survived,

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- passfield resident (16th Oct 2021  18:03:43)

AR-if you are calling me a sap, meet me and do it face to face, or else belt up

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (17th Oct 2021  10:30:40)

AF You cannot catch cancer, Altziemers or Dementia. You can catch flu and Covid. Covid can cause heart problems, pneumonia and organ breakdown leading to death. Flu if it turns to pneumonia which it does in some cases, can cause death. If the hospitals become overrun and I hope they will not, with seriously ill Covid patients this winter then it is the people with cancer, heart conditions and other medical problems who will suffer because there will not be enough beds available or doctors and nurses who will be dealing with Covid patients to cope. Hence the backlog we have at present, which is worse than in normal times due to this Pandemic. So whatever you think or say I shall continue to wear a mask in shops and on public transport because I do not want to catch or pass on Covid or flu or for that matter anything else including the common cold as these diseases are transmitted in droplets through the air by selfish people who may well be asymptomatic breathing their germs over people, some who are vulnerable, or worse still coughing and sneezing. As for A.R's post on 14 October on the Thread "Signs of Normality" and I quote "This virus and the solution to it was to protect those in society that were more vulnerable, not lock up healthy people", How on earth does she/he think that would work? Lock up all the vulnerable for as long as Covid is out there which could be a very, very long time - ban them from shops, public transport, hospitals, doctors' surgeries. etc etc. Many of them did have to shield at the height of the crisis, but that cannot go on forever. To wear a mask for a relative short time while shopping or travelling is not such a big ask. Our nurses, doctors and dentists have to wear them all day!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Anon (18th Oct 2021  05:42:25)

I am one of those people who has recently chosen to opt out of wearing a mask when popping to the shops as I prefer being able to smile at people , and to feel comfortable when I shop. However this does not make me, or fellow non mask wearers selfish super-spreaders. I am sure that many people, like me, have not only received both vaccinations but also some of us have already had covid and therefore have natural immunity (which greatly decreases the chance of being infected/being infectious). Added to that I, like many people, use lateral flows regularly for my job, as do my family members. I know that I am not compromising anybody else's safety by not wearing a mask, and I am happy to believe that many other non mask wearers are equally safe.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ian (18th Oct 2021  07:57:22)

At Anon, likewise I am double jabbed and have had Covid but out of respect to others, in crowded areas I will continue to wear a mask until the very high levels of infections in the UK have fallen. Iā€™m not fearful or panicked, just showing consideration to others in our community.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (18th Oct 2021  09:53:52)

Its noticeable that the UK infection rates are currently way above others in Europe where people wearing facemasks are a lot more prevalent. No doubt just as we led the way in the number of Covid deaths we will lead the way in inadvertently finding a new vaccine resistant and lethal variant.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- er (18th Oct 2021  12:11:49)

We can never all agree about anything, from Brexit to masks, but hopefully we do agree on one thing, to be governed by the democratic vote and rule of government, else how can we complain when others rebel against laws that they don't agree with, having a smoke on the benches around town for example, it's a recipe for chaos, if you follow my drift!

So just for the record, the law says you no longer need to wear masks in shops, let's get off people's backs about it, they are obeying the law and don't need to explain their lawful choices to us!

We're seeing more and more of this, not just in Britain, a lack of trust in the authorities and groups trying to pressure people to do things their way, how will the powers that be react to this global mass disobedience, we'll see more and more breakdown of law and order followed by the creation of authoritarian state responses and the world will fall into chaos and tyranny... all because of a few non mask wearers in Sainsbury'sšŸ˜

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (18th Oct 2021  16:15:37)

er The post below is what provokes all the argument about whether or not to wear masks and that is, I am sure, AF's intention:

"Signs of Normality
- AF (11th Oct 2021 ļæ½04:19:20)

It's good to see the country is starting to return to some sense of normality after the media led hysteria over COVID19 or as i prefer the Chinese Virus.
I stopped mask wearing as soon as the laws were cancelled, and now most people seem to be following suit. The trains are getting busier, not upto pre covid times but we are getting there. I have gone to the theatre and cinema and will soon be making more trips all without masks of course.
I hope these silly trolley cleaning stations will go soon as well, it was always confusing to me how you catch a respiratory disease from holding a trolley.
I sincerely hope any remaining measures will soon be abandoned.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (19th Oct 2021  16:28:28)

Hi,
For all doubting Thomases today Monday rising Covid 19 numbers are, nearly 44000 new cases, 223 deaths, and 921 hospital admission's. This is on a exponential curve ticked upwards.

By the way. a new mutation reported today of the Delta variance under close watch, called Delta Plus.

Stay safe.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (20th Oct 2021  02:15:53)

Paul

Whilst I am not dis-agreeing with the numbers you have supplied raw data such as this without any extra information or context can be mis-leading and to some frightening.

First of all regarding to the amount of fatalities, this is always higher on a Tuesday due to the lag over from the weekend.

The amount of infections is growing but before the vaccine when we had this level of infections the hospital admissions was alot higher than now. This proves the vaccine is working so if you get COVID and had the vaccine you are unlikely to be very ill with it.

Also the figures are not split into the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

You also fail to mention as most people seem to do that if you do catch COVID you will almost certainly be okay especially if you are vaccinated.

We have to hold are nerve and hope the government do, we simply cannot afford to fall back to a lockdown masked up misery again. If we have any lockdown it should be the unvaccinated as they are the ones at risk.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Knowledge (20th Oct 2021  08:47:22)

@Lyndon

We did lead the way in Covid deaths as you have suggested but not now. Far from it infact.

We love a bit of negative news in this country and when we were leading the way last year, the media made a big thing about it. You don't see much on this topic in the news anymore, just isolated rates for the UK.

wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (20th Oct 2021  09:33:55)

covid Infection rates in Surrey, Hampshire and Berkshire are on the rise. The issues are not only whether or not we die from Covid, but how will the health service cope when they are way behind with treating other conditions. We are being selfish by behaving as if Covid is not serious for them. There are still 6 million unvaccinated adults so they are spreading Covid, as are teens.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (20th Oct 2021  12:29:34)

@ knowledge - still highest number of deaths in Europe, not a proud statistic

[editor]FACT CHECK - there are numerous European countries with higher death rates per million population than the UK. That is the best statistic to go by. [/editor]

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (20th Oct 2021  14:21:10)

Although even by death rates, the only western European nations with higher rates are Belgium and Italy - still not good however you spin/manipulate it

[editor]FACT CHECK. Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary, Romania. Slovakia, Sloviana are in the European Union as well as Belgium and Italy and have greater deaths per capita than the UK. [/editor]

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (20th Oct 2021  15:17:23)

Fact check - I said WESTERN EUROPE, ie France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Denmark, Luxembourg, Austria, Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden and Iceland (i may have missed some but most will get the point) as well as Italy and Belgium

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Robert (20th Oct 2021  20:53:48)

I got covid, it was extremely unpleasant, the most horrific virus, I didn t need hospital, but almost did. I stayed in bed for almost 6 days, it was the worse time ever in my life. I thought I was going to die, I've been double jabbed, but it still got me. Please people be safe out there, soon it will be mandatory again every 1 will be wearing masks, and I think its a good idea. I have bad anxiety now because of covid, but I won't let it win.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (21st Oct 2021  09:53:00)

Hi Robert,
Pleased to hear you recovered from Covid 19, and a real story of what can still happen to people, I wish you well for the future.

With daily new cases in U.K. around now 50,000, a great many people being Asymptomatic (have the disease but so no symptoms), can still pass it on to others. Scientist believe because of this, the true daily figure is now nearly 100,000 new cases.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jane (21st Oct 2021  11:25:12)

Can the double jabbed pull their fingers out and go get their boosters because us un-vaxxed aren't going into lockdown because of you. Cheers.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- John (21st Oct 2021  13:42:29)

The UKā€™s handling of the epidemic is one of the worst across the world, am not saying itā€™s the worst but there are plenty of examples of other countries both in Europe and the world whom did a better job. We got saved by the vaccines and where quick to boast about it but we have fallen from the lead on that to somewhere in the middle, plus the Oxford AZ vaccine has clearly been shown to be average and well behind a few others.

In summary the UK had been overall poor to average on Covid.

The concerning thing now is the UK is clocking 310k new cases a week, compare that to the next EU country Germany whom are clocking just 71k a week, we have yet again done something wrong and just as we head into winter.

Ending lock down had to happen but masks and hand washing etc shouldnā€™t have been abandoned. Sure deaths are low compared to early pandemic but it looks like we have been setup to hit herd immunity version 2, which means a few thousand people have been murdered by the governments decisions over this winter.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- M (21st Oct 2021  18:01:48)

This is an interesting bit of information.

statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide

Obviously if you test millions more people for covid you're going to find thousands of more cases!

Something to think about when complaining about how our government are handling things.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Pete (21st Oct 2021  19:26:58)

M,

Denmark, Austria, UAE etc have performed way WAY more testing per million people than the UK yet its odd how they as you say have NOT found more cases, your theory is nonsense.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (21st Oct 2021  19:48:16)

Hi M,
I am not complaining about the government, but they have a poor record to make rules that we need to comply.
Recent history shows in this pandemic that the Conservative cabinet are slow to make decisions, at the cost of lives, and the business community.
It is difficult, and no country world-wide has cracked-it.
Only way out is vaccinations, and their are appalling jab rates to poorer counties.
Until everyone is inoculated in the globe no one is safe.
We have technology, and scientists to overcome this pandemic, to return to life how we knew it.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (21st Oct 2021  20:27:18)

Jane, one can't have the booster vaccine until invited to do so, it's not a question of "getting your finger out." Given how the majority of hospitalised covid patients are unvaccinated it will be US going into lockdown for YOU.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- sam (21st Oct 2021  20:44:44)

M,

You didn't read the * part of your link did you? then attempted to carry your point that the UK might have the most because they tested the most, had you read the data and noticed the * you might have found many more countries have tested a lot more yet they have less cases, many of those in Europe. What you did was google and find something that matched your confirmation bias but didn't check the fine print around the *

Supplementary notes

* Rates for the 30 countries with the highest number of COVID-19 cases, plus China.

Therefore your link missed all the countries that have higher testing rates and also much much lower covid rates.. and many exist.

Your link isn't interesting nor does it align with your statement "more testing equals more cases"

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul earwicker (21st Oct 2021  23:42:09)

Hi,
All this "comparing notes" for Covid 19 Pandemic is pointless.
We have been, and still, in a very serious health situation
for a long time to come.
Vaccination are helping, but they are wearing off, and protection will come to an end.
There is always hope in society, but stay safe.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Sara (22nd Oct 2021  13:19:08)

There are many cases of covid Patients in Icu, who are fully vaccinated, it's not all the un vaccinated, just to set the record straight, vaccines last a life time, this vaccine doesn't, 6 months and it wanes off, hence the booster, read what is going I to your body before you take it.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Donald (22nd Oct 2021  14:05:58)

Actually Sara, there are very few double vaccinated people dying of Covid and I suspect not that many in ICU either.

Also it is worth considering that even if you are taken to hospital and stay for just 1 day you are considered an admission; I know a number of elderly folk with underlying issues that have caught Covid but even with minor symptoms thay have been taken to hospital as a precaution and have then been discharged after just a few hours.

I also expect a significant number of the high numbers of infections we are currently seeing are school kids, again with minor symptoms.

Its quite simple really, get your vaccines and boosters, wear masks in crowded indoor places and stay away from kids!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- M (22nd Oct 2021  16:42:33)

Well "Paul" and "Sam" that's me told eh?

You can read into statistics what ever you want to read, but from the list shown on the link I posted it can be seen that compared to just about every other "Top 30 affected Countries" the UK is testing far, far more people...... for free I might add!
A quick calculation of figures sourced from that wonderful Google, taking account population, testing and positive tests, it appears to me that Germany has twice the positive covid cases from their testing compared to the UK.
Both countries have a very small positive covid case percentage of overall population but here in the UK some people appear to be doing nothing but slagging off our government rather than taking responsibility themselves. I hope both of you two wear your masks, wash your hands, work from home and don't mix?

Statistics, lies and dammed lies comes to mind....... including my own offering????

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (22nd Oct 2021  17:20:57)

What a very unhelpful post. As D said you have to wait for a text or letter inviting you to have the Booster Jab so it is not the case for us "doubled jabbed" people to as you so attractively put it "get your finger out." For the record I have just lost a very close, young friend with no underlying health problems, to Covid. Like many anti-vaxxers he did not either believe in or trust the jab. He listened to too many conspiracy theories and now he is dead. It is the unvaxxed among us who will precipitate us into another Lockdown. Polio, TB, Smallpox to name but a few of the killer diseases that have practically been substantially reduced and in some countries almost completely iradicated because of vaccination. What is wrong with the anti-vaxxers that they feel they have to go on about being anti-vax? I completely understand that it is an indivdual's right to choose what is injected into their body, no-one is disputing that, but please could the anti-vaxxers keep their views to themselves; we have all been left in no doubt about how they feel.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul earwicker (22nd Oct 2021  17:54:53)

Hi,
Well done M with your post.

Sadly this government is slow (again) to this ongoing pandemic (possibly lasting into 2023.)

With the un-jabbed in the u.k. (millions), youngsters not getting vaccinated, the spread will continue.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Alice (22nd Oct 2021  18:28:18)

Penny, I have 2 friends who have passed away, both double vaccinated, no under lying illness what so ever, and only in their 50s.i also caught covid, I'm un vaccinated, I was rough for 5 days, but I'm fine and back to work full time. So don't go moaning about us un vaccinated people, like you say it's our choice, and seen as covid vaccine is still on trials until 2023,i shall just hold up, incase this so called miracle vaccine doesn't give you all some mystery illness in the future. A vaccine is meant TO STOP IT in its tracks, unfortunately you can still catch covid if you are vaccinated and spread it, now that should be enough to tell you.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Julie (23rd Oct 2021  06:03:05)

Alice. A vaccine isn't meant to stop a virus, it's supposed to give you some immunity so as if you do pick up said virus you have some protection

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (23rd Oct 2021  08:46:46)

Alice, booster jabs are nothing new. I have a tetanus booster every few years due to the nature of my work. I'm really disappointed that the unvaccinated minority seem to be hoping (as you indicate) the vaccine will have future adverse effects so they can crow "we told you's so, innit!"

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (23rd Oct 2021  08:52:08)

I agree with Penny, I find the anti Vaxxers hypocritical, because when vaccinations are required for exotic holidays they have no qualms about being injected with the required vaccines, usually for diseases that are not passed from human to human. Do not forget the MMR vaccine for babies is a relatively new vaccine for us and the majority of parents sign up for it. All medicine once was experimental. Also, it is not true that doctors do not recommend it if you have allergies, I am allergic to penicillin ( i go into anaphalectic shock ) and I had no side effects from the Astra Zeneca injection.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Debbie (23rd Oct 2021  09:44:59)

Don't always think that some anti vaxxers don't want the jab, some people suffer with bad anxiety, panic attacks, fear of needles. I'm 1 of these people, I am scared to have the vaccine as I suffer anxiety and panic attacks. I did have corona, but a mild case. The thought of all this dividing over the jab is awful. So all the vaxxed people, have a thought for some of us battling life right now šŸ‘

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ian (23rd Oct 2021  10:14:58)

There seems to be a common trait amongst anti vaxers. Ignorance and selfishness.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Al (23rd Oct 2021  10:50:23)

šŸ‘šŸ‘Well said debby

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (23rd Oct 2021  10:58:51)

Alice No-one has ever said that you cannot get Covid 19 if you have been double jabbed. Covid 19 is a virus and viruses are extraordinarily clever; they have many strains and can and do mutate. The same applies to the flu and pneumonia vaccines. However If you have been vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, you are less likely to catch COVID-19 or to become severely ill if you do catch it. You are also less likely and please note I use the words ā€œless likelyā€, to spread COVID-19 to other people. We double jabbed people are not moaning as you so quaintly put it ā€“ what we are doing is not believing all the conspiracy theories and the scaremongering which are still out there on social media. We are mindful of our responsibility to keep ourselves and others as safe as possible and to protect the NHS. The more people in hospital with Covid, the longer the waiting lists for other illnesses become thereby causing unnecessary suffering and in some cases death. Be in no doubt there will be another Lockdown if the National Health are overwhelmed again with serious Covid 19 cases. That will be the only reason for another Lockdown ā€“ not the number of infections, but the number of people ending up in hospital possibly in ICU very ill from contracting Covid 19. So perhaps the anti-vaxxers should give a thought to that because there is no doubt that unvaccinated people are much, much more likely, if they catch Covid, to develop serious complications and in many cases die.
Debbie I am sorry that you are unable to have the Covid 19 Vaccination for the reasons you state but could I point out that it was Janeā€™s provocative post on 21 October that caused this Thread to develop the way it has and I quote:
Jane (21st Oct 2021 ļæ½11:25:12) ā€œCan the double jabbed pull their fingers out and go get their boosters because us un-vaxxed aren't going into lockdown because of you. Cheers.
Rather points to the anti-vaxxers being the divisive ones.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Dave (23rd Oct 2021  13:32:42)

Anti vaxxers, be proud and don't take any notice of these vaxxers, think they know it all. LOL. I bet penny spent hours looking up her research.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- joe (23rd Oct 2021  15:23:51)

My daughter also has a fear of needles, yes being vaccinated caused her severe anxiety, but she still lived through it, Covid can kill, and it is sometimes essential to us to have injections, getting older requires more blood testing, having an op, the anesthetic goes in by needle, most women have the epidural when giving birth, Covid is a killer, the needle is not.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (23rd Oct 2021  19:21:13)

What research Joe? It's just common sense.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (23rd Oct 2021  20:54:52)

Hi,
On a brighter note in the news, to travel abroad next year we may have to be triple-vaccinated. Will be arms like pin-cushions soon.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- joe (24th Oct 2021  00:25:52)

Penny it was Dave who mentioned your research, not me. With regard to the posting about putting poison into our bodies, well every time someone eats anything processed, ie a burger, sausage roll bacon etc, the amount of added chemicals in that type of food has a cumulative effect in your body. Unless one eats nothing processed with additives and chemicals, your body is not free of harmful substances.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (24th Oct 2021  10:03:04)

Sorry Joe my mistake. Yes my reply was directed to Dave. Your post pointing out that we are ingesting chemicals into our body one way or another every day is a good one. I have never understood the comment that this particular vaccination is "putting poison" into our body. The Covid 19 vaccination like all vaccinations is putting a small amount of the disease in our bodies, not enough to do any real harm (although before I am lambasted there are always a few exceptions) so that our body''s immune system is kickstarted and produces antibodies to fight the infection thereby placing our immune system on high alert for action as and when we come into contact with someone who has the virus. @Dave I haven't just researched this - it is common knowledge.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Helen (24th Oct 2021  17:04:33)

Above post incorrect, itā€™s not a live vaccine itā€™s an mRNA vaccine. It primes our immune system to deal with the virus it does not give you immunity from it.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Sandra (25th Oct 2021  10:45:34)

The JCVI (the science) ruled against jabbing the kids. Sajid Jabid overruled the 'science' so now this is all political. We are no longer following the science on any of this. The 'booster' is just more profits for big pharma. Stuff it!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (25th Oct 2021  12:16:47)

Helen Nowhere in my post have I differentiated between "live" and "inactivated" vaccines. I was pointing out that vaccines are used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (25th Oct 2021  13:10:51)

Helen is right in correcting Penny on her post. It is incredulous that people have accepted this so called " vaccine " without having read up on what is in them, or looked at the yellow card on the governments web site. People blindly believe that these phials hold covid 19.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- er (25th Oct 2021  14:53:51)

Well it depends which vaccine you had, most of us oldies got the old fashioned Astra Zeneca, the youngsters are getting the groundbreaking MRNA vaccine, which is a first ever humankind-made nano-type message inserted into human cells to alter response, whilst the ability to programme your cells (rather than expose them to a virus and let them respond by learning themselves) is brand spanking new in human vaccine, from what I've been reading the Astra Zeneca had noticeably more fatalities, but admittedly due to the crisis thrown upon us, the years of testing that the MRNA vaccine would ordinarily have had to go through, as with the other vaccines, had to be missed out, still we are almost a year on and the vaccines still appear to be looking acceptably safe.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (25th Oct 2021  19:00:50)

As I said before why pick on the vaccine? Junk goes into your body each time you eat non organic fruit and veg or any food or drink that has been processed. We are the unhealthiest nation in Europe.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (26th Oct 2021  09:48:21)

A.R what do you think is meant by the word vaccine if it not to help the body fight infection? Joe again makes a very good point

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (26th Oct 2021  11:10:28)

Penny, Theoretically a vaccine is a dose of a weakened form of the disease, which stimulates the body's immune system to destroy it which until now was the way of providing the cure. This mRNA is a new form treatment. This next paragraph has been lifted as it makes more sense than I could explain -
To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, mRNA vaccines use mRNA created in a laboratory to teach our cells how to make a proteinā€”or even just a piece of a proteinā€”that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.
So I believe this information is taken to every nucleus.
This is still in the trial stages and was rushed through though.
With all the side effects that this mRNA carry more testing should have been done.
A previous vaccine produced in 2009 for swine flu was halted because of a few deaths and adverse reactions to people in the NHS who had been vaccinated, so how come that this has killed thousands around the world and maimed many more and is still being administered ?
Why anyone would accept a trial medicine is beyond me when the survival rate is so high.
Never before have we had such an outrageous reaction to an illness that has now been downgraded to a cold.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (26th Oct 2021  12:15:27)

A.R.
Are you disputing the evidence that the vaccination program has saved tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of older and vulnerable people in this country from serious illness and potential early death?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (26th Oct 2021  12:20:25)

Alison you are wrong. The common cold does not kill people.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (26th Oct 2021  13:12:57)

Steve Miller
Your supposition as to whether this treatment has saved millions is flawed. Many did die, but it is pure conjecture as to whether those who had had the treatment might have lived and fought it off. We cannot know. It was not deadly to the majority of humans only to those who were very weak or who had underlying health or lung issues. Influenza would have done that too.

Only time will tell what other effects this new treatment will bring forth, I sincerely hope no more. But I know of one young man who went to school locally that can barely walk.

Joe
With the herd immunity this corona virus will become another cold like all the other corona viruses. Read Professor Dame Sarah Gilbert opinion on the subject. Most people who get it now have very mild symptons or have no symptons.

Influenza will be the killer again for the old this year.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (26th Oct 2021  14:20:31)

Well I don't think I mentioned 'millions' but anyway, if you don't accept that the dramatically reduced numbers of deaths and hospital admissions is a result of the vaccination program then what is your explanation?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (26th Oct 2021  18:29:54)

Steve.
That is because millions have not died either vaccinated or unvaccinated, which means the probability is that that were never going to die. Again this lifted to save me the work:-
"Probability is the branch of mathematics concerning numerical descriptions of how likely an event is to occur, or how likely it is that a proposition is true. The probability of an event is a number between 0 and 1, where, roughly speaking, 0 indicates impossibility of the event and 1 indicates certainty.[note 1][1][2] The higher the probability of an event, the more likely it is that the event will occur. A simple example is the tossing of a fair (unbiased) coin. Since the coin is fair, the two outcomes ("heads" and "tails") are both equally probable; the probability of "heads" equals the probability of "tails"; and since no other outcomes are possible, the probability of either "heads" or "tails" is 1/2 (which could also be written as 0.5 or 50%). "
What we do know is that there have been thousands of unexplained deaths in younger people and thousands of side affects. Could they have always been going to get them ? What is the probability ?
Knowing these chances, if you are not old or weakened by illness what odds would you bet on on having this experimental therapy ?
. I do so hope I am wrong, but we have been tested on before . Look up Operation Seaspray, horrible reading , but Google does take you to other experiments, including Cornwall. These are all fairly recent findings for me.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Weak and vulnerable (26th Oct 2021  21:01:51)

As someone who as A.R. puts it is "weak and vulnerable" I'd like to point out that influenza wouldn't actually kill me... Because surprisingly they develop a vaccine for it once a year that they give me and loads of others... You know, so we don't die.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (26th Oct 2021  22:55:18)

AR
Not really sure I understand much of that even though I studied statistics as part of my university course šŸ¤”
In any event you didn't answer my question regarding the reason for the self evident significant reduction in hospital admissions and fatalities if it isn't down to the vaccination program. Perhaps you would like another shot at it?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (27th Oct 2021  07:18:01)

Weak and vulnerable:
You take the flu vaccine to stop yourself from getting the flu, not to stop others getting it.
New versions of the vaccines are developed twice a year, as the influenza virus rapidly changes. While their effectiveness varies from year to year, most provide modest to high protection against influenza. As you can see one would hope they guess correctly and modify it for the current influenza.
The covid treatment can still make you catch and transmit the virus, but there are those that will say you will not get it so badly. Again the debate comes back to probability. It's a bit like asking and atheist and a Roman Catholic if there is a God, it is all in the belief system.
I myself have heart arrhythmia and would rather not have something given to me that seems to have a causal link.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul earwicker (27th Oct 2021  20:37:03)

Hi,
Interesting A.R.
The only help against Covid 19 pandemic is vaccine, there is nothing else, otherwise more millions will have died across the world.
The "anti-vaxxers" are stupid in their beliefs. End up in critical care in hospital as many have, then they will regret their stance.
We sadly lack jabbing poor countries, looking after are own policy.
The pandemic will never end, until the world's population is safely inoculated.
Bring on 2025...

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- er (28th Oct 2021  11:19:51)

Whilst it's true that our government has adopted a vaccine our own population first policy, which has understandably opened it up to criticism from many quarters, to be fair every reasonable country that could get these new, short supply vaccines did the same.

It's been an uphill battle to convince people to take these rushed through vaccines and I think we should applaud everyone's efforts, rather than worry whether we are too privileged or not to deserve them.

Vaccine hesitancy is actually at its greatest in lower income countries where mostly, they have much lower cases of Covid 19 deaths and healthier lifestyles, coupled with widespread understandable mistrust of western medicine new and particularly our motives in wanting to vaccine them first, would have been a hard sell, it really wasn't going to happen.

India was an exception, being a wealthy country with great inequality, they actually manufacture many of the vaccines but didn't want to take them until the virus mutated and hit them hard, at which point they suddenly wanted them for themselves too but couldn't get them quick enough. But in most low income countries with high poverty, they weren't reporting many cases at all and there was no pressure at that time on their governments to attempt to implement mass vaccination schemes.

No point beating ourselves up about it now, we just need to keep making these drugs available and funding them which thankfully we are now doing, then trying to convince people to take them, which is exactly what is happening, but at the end of the day, nobody wants it to be forced on anyone, let's just keep persuading the last few here and others abroad, but remember, if it had gone wrong there would have been hell to pay if we had been seen to be vaccinating poor countries first, a real no win for our politicians, when I hear people trying to make political gain from this plague it annoys me (not referring to anyone here).

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- er (28th Oct 2021  12:39:26)

PS rereading my post which I tend to type quickly and not read back too much (oops) I should add I'm not an anti vaxxer at all, sorry if it came across in my post like I was, I think in the difficult situation and time available, the drug companies did brilliantly and I agree that we must now ensure we fund the poorer countries to have the same choices as us, but overall I think the policy of vaccinating our own population first was justified in this instance, but I agree overall that richer countries have a lot more to do in thinking about poorer countries and sharing out resources more fairly, I think that's a fair point which I think most of us would 100% agree with Paul.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (28th Oct 2021  14:00:08)

A.R. As you seem to be very interested in statistics I wonder if you have seen the latest news from Russia. Russia is in another partial Lockdown due to rising numbers of Covid infections and deaths.
Russia has reported a record 1,159 deaths from Covid in the past 24 hours and the data also reveals 40,096 new infections in 85 regions of Russia - another record.
Russia's overall Covid death toll in the pandemic is officially more than 230,000, the highest in Europe and one of the highest in the world but last October the state statistics agency Rosstat calculated the Russian Covid death toll to be above 400,000 - far higher than the government figures. The proportion of Russia's population fully vaccinated remains low - on 23 October it was 32.8%, Our World in Data reports.

You have also not answered Steve Millerā€™s question :ā€ Are you disputing the evidence that the vaccination program has saved tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of older and vulnerable people in this country from serious illness and potential early death?"




Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (28th Oct 2021  14:37:04)

Hi,
Very good post e.r. A balanced look world-wide on the state of the pandemic and vaccinations.
I do not understand hesitancy to covid vaccine. Some have morale grounds, others religious, and some mis-truths with online social media websites.
There is no alternative to the jab, if there was people would try it.
Getting Covid 19, even if double jabbed, can be very bad for one's health as many have experienced, with long term effects possible at any age.
We are globally a long way from this pandemic ending. Maybe with world inoculation taking a long time, like Africa, 2025 may be a better time for the state of world health.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (29th Oct 2021  19:38:35)

Hi,
At what stage do we accept Covid 19 is "another disease to live with" ?
We are still in a pandemic according to the World Health Organization.
I feel sorry for our hospitals and staff to be able to cope this Winter.
The Government seems to want to "play down" this health crisis. Worldwide it is quite different, with rising cases, and low inoculations to our peoples across the globe..
In the U.K. we have vaccine waning protection, and only boosters for a certain age.
Can we follow the medical experts, and not politicians?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- GP (29th Oct 2021  21:01:03)

Sandraā€¦ JCVI didnā€™t ā€˜rule againstā€™ vaccinating 12-15s. They reported that there is a only a small benefit to doing so for those children. They did not say there was any harm in doing so. Their remit does not extend to making judgements on any wider societal questions. The question then passed to the wider scientific community that considered other factors and concluded that when you add the negative impact of children missing out on education because of outbreaks in their schools, there is sufficient overall benefit to vaccinating that group for it to be worthwhile. Note again that JCVI did not judge there to be any negative impact of doing so.

Hope this helps.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (30th Oct 2021  09:46:05)

GP have I missed a post. Who is Sandra?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jen (30th Oct 2021  10:19:02)

@PennyWilliamson

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Sandra (25th Oct 2021 ļæ½10:45:34)

The JCVI (the science) ruled against jabbing the kids. Sajid Jabid overruled the 'science' so now this is all political. We are no longer following the science on any of this. The 'booster' is just more profits for big pharma. Stuff it!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (30th Oct 2021  15:12:22)

Ooooops! Thank you

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (31st Oct 2021  15:00:54)

I'm sure it doesn't take a scientist to see the mechanics of an infected child going to school, infecting lots of other children and then all those children going home to infect even more people. This pandemic will not stop until children are vaccinated as well. The state provides for all children in respect of education and child benefit. Parents therefore have a reciprocal duty to immunise their children.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (1st Nov 2021  18:46:13)

Not sure what the problem is. When I was at school we were al vaccinated against TB and ruebela, I think later on they gave a jab for something that caused cervical cancer. So now they want to give the COVID vaccine if it can help us get back to normal I'm all for it.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (2nd Nov 2021  06:57:34)

Couldn't agree more, AF. It was a more disciplined world in those days when everyone knew their place. Scared of needles? Not as scary as the alternative.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Sandra (2nd Nov 2021  11:04:20)

GP: The JCVI ultimately decided against recommending Covid vaccines for healthy 12 to 15-year-olds in September despite huge political and public pressure because the risk of side effects did not clearly outweigh the threat of Covid. Rabid Jabid decided to over rule the JCVI. This is not hard to understand.

Re: Covid 19 Worldwide Pandemic.
- paul (12th Nov 2021  19:21:42)

Hi,
Covid 19 infections are now growing higher across Europe. U.K. rates remain one of the tops across the continent, and will increase over Winter as more people stay closer together.
For a deadly disease should we now need more precautions to protect ourselves?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (12th Nov 2021  22:38:42)

Austria is now making people who refuse the jab stay at home indoors and only go out for essential food shopping.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (13th Nov 2021  17:02:14)

Paul

Get a grip man.

This is a virus with a death rate of less than 0.3 % hardly deadly.

The extra precautions you suggest are probably face masks, WFH and lockdowns.

NO NO NO NO NO.

Most of us have been double jabbed and will probably get the booster, so leave it at that and get on with normal unmasked life, I AM.

Oh and for your information infections, deaths and hospital admissions in the UK are heading down.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- John (14th Nov 2021  17:50:22)

AF

Air travel has a death rate that is even better than your posted rate for Covid, so I guess by your standards we should abandon any precautions to keep air travel safeā€¦ no more training pilots to fly, get rid of air traffic control and letā€™s not bother maintaining aircraft or indeed applying any standards in AFā€™s world

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Paul (18th Nov 2021  18:05:51)

Hi
U.K. infections daily are "going through the roof" again. Over 46000 today, more than is as usual in Europe. But now Germany has a big problem and other countries nearby.
I have been to London this week at business exhibitions. The amount of foreign travellers from all over, and pouring in to attend, its an open-gate to Covid 19 bigger spread.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (18th Nov 2021  21:20:03)

Paul, if I were you then I would not want to travel into central London and put myself at risk.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Julie (19th Nov 2021  03:52:25)

Paul. I never understood why travel restrictions were lifted. Seems like asking for trouble to me.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- rolli (19th Nov 2021  09:16:37)

Paul - deaths and hospitalisations are continuing to fall, I suspect the increase again in infections is due to school testing and youth infections rather that foreigners. Not sure what you feel will be gained by adding fuel to the already growing nationalistic anti foreigner sentiment developing in the UK?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (19th Nov 2021  17:28:07)

Hi,
Thanks for your comments and concerns guys, it's good to share and help each other in this worldwide pandemic.

Rolli I have no anti-foreigner sentiment, I lived and travelled abroad for many years, and respect all nationalities.

As Covid 19 is a known airborne disease, to refrain more people passing it on, does it not therefore increase risk from a travelling folk. It is only sensible for are own safety and families.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- er (19th Nov 2021  18:51:25)

Somebody queries a link between foreign business travel to a London conference and a possible upsurge in Covid and sure as night follows day, another rebukes him about pouring fuel onto Britain's 'growing nationalistic anti foreigner sentiment'.

Bit heavy that!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Susie (19th Nov 2021  23:15:44)

Can anyone on this wonderful site tell me where in the locality one is expected to attend for their booster jab?

Nowhere close on the NHS site it appears,and GP practices are unhelpful with no response.

Answers on a postcard would be appreciated.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Alan (19th Nov 2021  23:25:28)

We had our boosters on Thursday at the Festival Hall in Petersfield.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Susie (19th Nov 2021  23:42:41)

Thanks Alan for the info,
guessing you had reminders/ invites to book ?,from a GP.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Alan (20th Nov 2021  08:08:35)

Yes, text message via our surgery.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (20th Nov 2021  14:35:46)

I had to go to Pompey for my first one so to go to somewhere as close as Petersfield for the booster was a positive pleasure. Vaccinations are done in Midhurst as well. Book online.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jen (21st Nov 2021  11:35:12)

Hi Susie, if you haven't yet received a text from your GP inviting you to book your booster, then I think the nearest venues are Midhurst and Basingstoke, which you can book using the official government website.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (21st Nov 2021  16:48:29)

I tried the government website the nearest offered was Woking or Havant on there.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Susie (21st Nov 2021  22:49:10)

Yes Joe you are correct,thatā€™s all thatā€™s offered other than Fleet,Reading & Southampton at present,on the NHS online service.

Def not Petersfield,Midhurst or Basingstoke.
No easy access is there,for closer locations.
They arenā€™t making it easy or helpful at all !

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (22nd Nov 2021  07:28:12)

Is Havant a problem? It's a twenty minute drive or a short train journey, then a short walk from Havant Railway station. I did not have a problem having my first one done at Pompey. Stop whining.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Simon (22nd Nov 2021  09:04:10)

So we're being offered vaccines and boosters to protect us all, NHS workers (such as my wife) and other volunteers helping us, and we're whinging because it's a bit of effort to get there and isn't on my doorstep. Unreal.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (22nd Nov 2021  12:56:55)

Not everyone is as mobile as they would like possibly so perhaps if it were your own mother or father who may struggle with that journey spare some compassion for them.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (22nd Nov 2021  16:41:30)

Joe, I know. Believe me, I really do know.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (25th Nov 2021  21:03:50)

Hi,
In the news of a South African new Covid 19 variant, with 30 x mutations, the most ever seen. This may effect vaccine resistant.
This country could go on U.K. Red list tomorrow.
700 travellers from South Africa to U.K. come every day.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (26th Nov 2021  04:33:40)

Paul

Give it a rest. we have enough scare mongering from the idiotic press without you adding to it.

People complain about me because I keep telling people that COVID is not as dangerous as people make out(which is true). You're just as bad telling people the end is nigh you're about to die.

I've been travelling to London all through the lockdowns and after on trains, tubes and buses mostly without masks, working in one of the least vaccinated areas of London, on several occasions working side by side with COVID positive people(they didn't know they had it at the time). I haven't caught it and if I had i'm sure I would have been among the 99.7%+ who recover.

That said we should make sure we have the vaccine and booster when available. I also think that we should send out surplus vaccines over to Africa to help out.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- passfield resident (26th Nov 2021  12:38:00)

AF-your views on this seem to amount to "I'm alright so there's not a problem". Do you have elderly or sick friends or relatives that you worry about or is your view of society limited to what's in front of your nose?We heard about someone local to us who had similar views to yours. Guess what-he died from Covid after going on about it not being a problem , the press exaggerating it etc

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (27th Nov 2021  17:56:34)

Back to mask wearing AF!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (27th Nov 2021  22:29:27)

Joe
You are right back to face rags again. We or at least hope it's for a short time and we don't have a pointless and economically destructive lockdown.
I'm still not scared and will carry on as normal as the law allows.
The thing that confuses me the face rag law was removed and now it's being re-imposed, surely that has to have parliamentary authority.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (28th Nov 2021  08:30:23)

I think emergency powers are still in place from last year.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (28th Nov 2021  17:48:18)

Hi,
More cases reported in U.K. today of the new Covid 19 variant. As our borders did not close until 4am today Sunday, thousands of passengers have arrived to U.K. from Africa since first reported on Thursday this week. They have dispersed throughout U.K. on public transport etc, and the disease will be rife throughout the country in days and weeks.
Nobody knows what will happen for sure, even the best scientists are cannot agree.

Hindsight will prove the correct answer sadly.

Take care.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- John (28th Nov 2021  18:58:52)

I want a full lockdown again just to watch AFā€™s trolling go through the roof..

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- er (28th Nov 2021  20:35:18)

I will be wearing a mask and keeping up-to-date with my jabs if nothing else, to show solidarity with those who have suffered.

But realistically we can't spend the rest of our lives worrying about this virus, you can't ban flights from a whole continent, there 2 billion people in Africa, you couldn't keep them there if you tried!

Anyway this is not an African disease, South Africa are being unfairly penalised for having world beating testing, they picked it up in testing but it's probably been rife in a different country, probably many countries and because South Africa sounded the alarm, it's their country that gets put on a blacklist. Not only unfair but will deter others from even bothering to test, let alone report, they cannot afford to shoulder the economic cost on their own. We need to stand with them not against each other. As a rich country we can do more to help poorer countries and not just think of ourselves.

Bottom line, the Great Spanish Flu burnt itself out fairly quickly, even though it devastated developed countries in a short time due to mass transit of people's post war. But still, it burnt out quickly because everybody got it in a short space of time, the survivors got or had some kind of immunity, the dead could no longer carry it, so it never got a chance to thrive and mutate endlessly.

Now, with for example, only 7% of people in Africa vaccinated, plus all these lockdowns, what is happening is it's going to and fro across a totally mobile world than back then, the mass movement of people's is on a scale never dreamed of before by a magnitude of hundreds, the virus maybe waxing and waning, but it will never disappear at this rate, because if one place seems to battle and get a little bit on top of it, it just rears up somewhere half a globe away, if we're not careful we'll never get rid of it before the unthinkable happens, it mutates into something we can't stop.

We used to think the WHO or the US or whoever had all sorts of secret genius super-teams ready to spring into action at the first sign of a global pandemic, isolate and somehow destroy it, all while wearing dark shades, driving black SUVs and looking like they'd just stepped out of a film studio (ok because they had), not to mention talking in annoying American accents!

The plan was always to secretly fly them in under cover of darkness, seek, isolate and destroy the hostile thing, without alarming the general population one jot, all in a 30 minute episode on Sky or was it HBO. The plan, worked out over a quick bagel on a military flight to Belize or wherever, never failed.

Of course, like all drama, it wasn't true, we can no more beat this level of virus than we could ever cure a cold, ie not at all. Containment at this stage is just a pipedream. It has to burn it's own self out, or the survivors (whether that's 1% or 99%), have to have a genetic advantage over it, rendering it harmless. Harsh but true I think.

This would suggest there is perhaps some 'method in AFs madness' (no offence AF, just a saying!) along with all the anti lockdown protests etc, but before going there, the rich world needs to bite the bullet, show it cares about everybody (yes, I don't really believe it either) and put its hands in its pockets for a few hundred billion to vaccinate and keep vaccinating everybody on earth, everywhere, so everybody who will take it can get it, free, maybe this could go a long way for making up for some of our past ills, redemption if you like of some sort, whilst actually helping all of us too.

We can. no longer think nationally, borders mean nothing anymore.

PS sorry for another windbag er ramble, I'm sure your getting used to my Sunday evening lectures, I don't think them through too long you know, but feel free to disagree or ignore me, most people do šŸ˜‚

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (28th Nov 2021  20:53:50)

Hi John,
I would love AF to go to another planet infected, and people unmasked... some hope.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (30th Nov 2021  19:11:57)

Hi,
I am not a doom-monger but I believe this new Covid 19 variant is a game-changer to world population.

Suddenly from South Africa a new type of the disease, and countries bang the panic button. This has not been the case of previous variants.
I think Omicron is a monster and the world is worried, and may not have protection.

We are fighting a war, but cannot see the enemy.
The British government are putting on a brave face as it has too.
But reality is they do not have a scooby idea of the future.

God help us all.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Steve (30th Nov 2021  20:34:53)

I think Paul must be from the USA he clearly doesn't do irony!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Don (1st Dec 2021  09:11:21)

Paul, you are a doom monger, just read your last speculative post. Unfortunately there will be some who read this and will not be able to see through your mischievous and malicious agenda and will no doubt worry themselves sick. You are as bad as AF

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (1st Dec 2021  12:09:18)

I agree with Don. Paul the governments are "damned if they do and damned if they don't."

After the first Lockdown everyone was blaming the powers that be that they had not acted quickly enough. This time with Omicron they are taking swift action and you are seeing "reds under the beds".

Not enough is known about Omicron yet so this swift action is trying to prevent another possible surge in infections.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (1st Dec 2021  17:17:57)

Hi,
Say what you want it is a free country of speech.
I would not trust this, or any political party in a national crisis.They are looking after there own survival only.
Listen to the scientists, and other medical sources.
The stats in this country of Covid 19 continues to run "hot" for some time, a 159 deaths yesterday, only double digits previously the day before.
The world has acted quickly because of Omicron than previous strains of Covid 19. Europe is on tenterhooks, requiring more evidence of travellers of vaccinations.
We all need to wake up in a on-going pandemic, and not hide behind things will get back to "normal" soon.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (7th Dec 2021  14:31:50)

Hi,
Kind of crazy, we have more cases of Omicron variant in U.K. than the red list countries we are putting up restriction of travellers coming in from ports and airports.
Scientists have said for a long time trying to make people experience more difficult procedures entering, makes little or no difference to spread of Covid-19 virus.
Wake up government (rather than sit and watch), and get a grip on this pandemic for all our sakes, and future life.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- rolli (7th Dec 2021  16:06:12)

There you go again Paul, stoking the fear, you really are as bad as AF, an attention seeker craving an audience!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (7th Dec 2021  18:37:48)

Hi,
Thank you for your reply Rolli.

I like to promote conversation about a very important subject to us all, our health, and anything that threatens that status.

Reality in life is often not likeable, share good times.

Good luck to all.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ian (7th Dec 2021  19:52:21)

Seems to me Paul you are just exploiting peoples fears for some weird perverse personal agenda. The news is full of both facts and speculative reporting so we really donā€™t need your constant scaremongering

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (7th Dec 2021  22:00:22)

Hi,
Ian I am not interested in scaremongering only reality.

I support Liphook community, and helping and informing residents is a worthy cause.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (7th Dec 2021  23:18:43)

Hi Paul. Your comparing of covid to fighting a war is apt. You could be Private Fraser, "WE'RE ALL DOOMED I TELL YE! DOOMED!"

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ian (8th Dec 2021  07:49:21)

Paul, WHO report NO deaths from Omnicron and today they report that it appears current vaccines are working against the variant!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (8th Dec 2021  09:40:28)

Well I suppose its a balanced Covid debate???!!!

AF "nothing to worry about, its not that bad"

Paul " we are all doomed and going to die"

I expect the majority of us have the intelligence to have worked out that we are in the middle ground, have never been at either extreme and that neither AF or Paul have any understanding of the Pandemic

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (8th Dec 2021  13:45:20)

Very well said Lyndon.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (8th Dec 2021  15:30:25)

Hi,
Thank you for your post Lyndon.
What does "no understanding of the Pandemic" mean?
Unless you are privy to some scientific knowledge not in the public domain of Covid 19, why make comment to others about their lack of understanding?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (8th Dec 2021  17:40:58)

Paul

What does "no understanding of the Pandemic" mean?

Just read any of yours or AF posts on the topic! That's what I mean

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (8th Dec 2021  18:46:59)

Well the government have given in to the irrational panic and gone to plan B.
On the bright side I will still be going into London to work on the trains, which will be nice and quite.
Empty carriages no masks.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (8th Dec 2021  19:40:27)

Hi Lyndon,

Still clueless on your earlier comment?

The government has pressed the panic button, and listening to the scientists they a very unsure of the future. They are keen on medications that may work.

I do not want to post alarmist comments, but just make locals aware.

If you would like to meet for a Christmas drink I will gladly "buy the first one" as a gentleman at the Deers Hut.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Tommy smith (8th Dec 2021  21:01:23)

Anybody else think we need to start living with covid

No mask
No vaccine passport
No isolation

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (8th Dec 2021  23:56:46)

Hi,
Interesting idea Tommy, why not try it?
We seem hung up of the of transfer to other people. To catch it could be much closer, or not at all.

If we could go against childish jibes, and start to think of positives in a pandemic, we could all get some where to our future.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (9th Dec 2021  10:24:00)

@ Paul. Why an earth would I want to meet up with you? Its bad enough reading your tripe on Talkback. As with AF, I think most users on Talkback have the measure of you.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (9th Dec 2021  16:06:02)

Yes, this coronavirus is SO deadly that world leaders and governments have travelled the globe for G 27 in Cornwall, cop 26 in Glasgow and have had many parties at No 10. The ministers have lied to the country and yet people have still not woken up the illogical behaviour we have had exerted upon us.
It is frightening how this propaganda is manipulating us again to an evil period in history which we have always condemed. Mass psychosis has gripped on tight to the world and it is heartbreaking how easy it was to do. I do hope enough people will wake up from their paralysis in time.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- MR PAUL EARWICKER (9th Dec 2021  16:12:32)

Hi,
Lyndon, Tripe is good, full of protein and nutrients. Dogs love it, and available from Pets-at-home.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (9th Dec 2021  17:17:20)

Tommy I'm with you. We have to learn to live with COVID no masks and the rest of the measures.
If you are a healthy person under the age of 70 if you catch it you will be probably be fine.
We are living a horrible life for a very low risk I've said it before the death rate for those who catch it is under 0.3%.
The vast majority of people in hospital are unvaccinated and do recover.
If you're a doom monger like Paul isolate and be miserable and let me and the few sensible people get on with life.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (9th Dec 2021  19:06:20)

AR
There is nothing illogical about governments taking action that they believe necessary to prevent health services being overwhelmed with seriously ill covid patients.
Whilst you might not subscribe to this view at the moment, I expect that your opinions would change very quickly should you or one of your family be denied urgent care because those in power had just sat back and let it happen.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (9th Dec 2021  19:53:34)

Oh and by the way you still haven't answered my question from earlier in the thread (26th October) about whether you accept that vaccination has had a major beneficial effect of reducing deaths and serious illnessšŸ™‚

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (9th Dec 2021  20:18:30)

A R your post is untrue, my brother has been seriously sick with Covid, in hospital for over a month. A friend had long Covid last year, very healthy in her 50s she still struggles now. Stop spreading your conspiracy nonsense.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (10th Dec 2021  13:57:17)

@ steve miller.
No, I fervently believe that the vaccines do not work. I can not prove they don't but it can also not be proven that they do. I think I replied to you about probability of dying by saying that millions have not died either vaccinated or unvaccinated, which means the probability is that that were never going to die. Perhaps if they had not used this illness to experiment with a new mRNA vaccine instead of the tried and tested form of vaccines things would have been better, but there was no money making with that. Reading the yellow card should make everyone frightened as this vaccine would have been stopped when the deaths started to be known.
If you can give me statistics that just because one was vaccinated it stopped them from dying I would say there is no way to prove it.
You say there is nothing illogical about the government taking action when necessary, I think that argument is unravelling by the second as No 10 was so worried about this illness they carried on having parties whilst the rest of us were locked down
@ Joe
My post is not untrue, my daughter caught it back in the summer, and was not very ill, while I have had a cold the last couple of weeks and had worse symptons.
Whilst it is unfortunate that some people will succumb to a coronavirus it is also true one could die from the mumps or other such illness. It is like getting cancer, if you happen to be the unlucky one.
Scientists are still debating long covid, many believe it to be post viral fatigue syndrome to which many peole can get after a virus.
Please explain what in my post was a conspiracy theory or as you call it "nonsense"
I suggest you stop listening to the BBC and start reading and listening to other voices.
Listen to Dr Aditi Bhargava., Karol Sikora, and endless other
professors that have been barred from voicing their opinions.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (10th Dec 2021  14:35:08)

Well A.R
I fear that you are unlikely to be persuaded by any rational argument but I will repeat the second part of my earlier question.

As you don't accept that the significantly reduced numbers of deaths and those suffering from serious illness since the vaccinations were introduced is a result of the vaccines then what is your own explanation?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Don (10th Dec 2021  15:57:12)

@ AR, presumably you also think the World is flat and that the Moon is made of cheese !!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (10th Dec 2021  18:23:10)

So, Alison, your daughter was Ok so that means coronavirus is not dangerous? What tosh. Yes people die of other things, this is an airborne virus. Alison, Singapore has just introduced a law making unvaccinated people pay for their treatment should they catch coronavirus. I would love for that to become law here, I know you have posted on here before that you do not want to be vaccinated, and then gone on to justify this thinking you may be allergic to it. I have the same allergy as you but have had 3 jabs without any ill effects, and no doctor has told me I should not be vaccinated.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (11th Dec 2021  12:41:49)

A.R. If you donā€™t believe that vaccines work, then please answer Steve Millerā€™s question which was: ā€œAs you don't accept that the significantly reduced numbers of deaths and those suffering from serious illness since the vaccinations were introduced is a result of the vaccines then what is your own explanation?ā€ You only have to look at the numbers this year compared to this time last year. So A. R. I too would like your answer. Joe I understand why people feel strongly about the unvaccinated ending up in hospital and receiving treatment on the NHS. However they have paid through their taxes and the NHS is not free, it is free at the point of delivery. I also understand that people might feel that it is very tempting to follow Singaporeā€™s example but I think that the practicality of putting this into place would be almost impossible in the UK for many reasons. To name a few. Would the law allow someone unvaccinated to die because they could not pay for treatment? What about people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons? If this became law for Covid 19 then what about all the people who are or have been heavy smokers and develop lung cancer. Would they have to pay for their treatment because the disease they develop is self- inflicted? The same applies to alcohol related illnesses. I could go even further to include all those people who are obese and develop all sorts of problems and illnesses as a result of their obesity. Another question I would like to raise ā€“ why are the anti-vaxxers so voiciferous about not getting vaccinated and trying the scare, bully and belittle the rest of us who are vaccinated or about to be. They then try to justify and impose their conspiracy theories and views, which thankfully are held by the minority, by holding protests and rallies. I donā€™t think I have seen or heard of any rallies by the vaccinated reinforcing the view that the anti- vaxxers are putting others at risk, particularly the vulnerable, by not getting vaccinated.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Tommy smith (11th Dec 2021  14:59:21)

Of course the vaccine doesn't work why are so many fallen ill with covid and before the new variant

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- A.R (11th Dec 2021  16:21:21)

@ steve
The reason that there were a high number of deaths at the outset was that people were sent back from hospital to their care homes where it spead amongst the old and infirm to which the outcome was always going to be devastating. This age group of course could never survive any lung deterioration, the same as influenza.
The first vaccine was given a year ago but most started getting it around spring at a time when lockdowns and distancing ensued. This and the onset of better weather meant less were going to catch it.
So there is a catch 22 situation here where one can not give a definative yay or nay to the vaccines.
All I know is that I have never heard of a vaccine that one has to have had so many doses and yet does not very work well. I for one want to wait and explore data and outcomes and not rush into this.
@ Don
Well of course the moon is made of cheese, finest gorgonzola.The cow told me that. I am glad you mentioned the flat Earth, I must be careful not to walk over the edge.
@ Joe and penny. I do agree with you both the NHS is broken beyond repair and is a yolk around the country's neck so paying into an insurance may be the way forward. But obviously all those unhealthy and sick people must go to the back of the queue. How dare they want treatment. Welcome to the jolly old world ot the fourth Reich.
Joe, I do not have any allergies but suffer from a dodgy ticker and take heart medication, and my family have died young of strokes and heart issues. Unlcky me. Hence my delving heavily into reading material on these vaccines.
Pfizer has warnings on their vaccines about heart inflamation to which you should be made aware. Astra Zeneca have admitted they have
had problems too.
Sorry to disapoint you all on hoping I am conspiracy theorist, it just so happens that I do look out of the box and listen to both sides of the
story.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (11th Dec 2021  16:30:14)

Maybe because there are still people who refuse the vaccination?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- steve miller (11th Dec 2021  16:57:57)

Dead horse and flogging come to mind!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- M (11th Dec 2021  17:16:33)

There's always two sides to anything.....or three, four or five!
Covid is an influenza type of infection (it's in the name, Coronavirus!) so will always be at it's peak in the winter months. It will always affect older people, especially those with underlying health issues (yes always an exception to any rule!).
Every year there is a different flu vaccine so the likely hood the current covid-19 vaccine will be a one shot fixes all is pretty unlikely.
What mustn't be forgotten though is that the majority of patients in hospital at the moment are those that haven't been vaccinated against covid-19. That surely shows that having a vaccine and a booster is the way forward to help stop the NHS being overwhelmed in the next couple of months.... and that is what the UK Governments are worried about.
They're not too worried about people catching the virus if they have been vaccinated but those who haven't, or those with underlying health issues, are the people to be concerned about.
Should everyone be forced to have a covid vaccine? We don't work like that in the UK so it will never happen.
Should people be more public spirited, think of others and not just themselves and have the vaccine/booster? I for one believe they should.
As a 1st world society we should all do the right thing, protect others (masks), protect our public services (vaccines) and try our best to live with this issue in the best way possible.
Those that don't agree... well I can do nothing about it but try and prick their conscience and make them think hard about what they are doing.... or not doing!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (12th Dec 2021  09:34:54)

A.R. Nowhere in my post have I said that the NHS is broken and beyond repair. Please do not put words into my mouth. The NHS is running at full capacity, partly because of the time of year and largely because of Covid and related illnesses. If the NHS is unable to cope and likely to become in your words "broken and beyond repair" we will go into Lockdown as we did last year. That is the only reason for Lockdown, not because infections are surging, but if the number of people due to infections are being hospitalised increases to such an extent that the NHS cannot cope. Referring to M's statement: "Should people be more public spirited, think of others and not just themselves and have the vaccine/booster? I for one believe they should". I agree with that. There are of course exceptions such as people with health conditions that prevent them taking the vaccine. However I would go further and say that people should also look after themselves thereby lightening the load on the NHS. Don't smoke, drink moderately, stop over-eating and more importantly stop eating junk food, take exercise and generally live a healthier life and before I get attacked about saying people should stop eating junk food with the old adage "some poor families cannot afford to eat healthily". Vegetables, fruit, chicken and fish are not as expensive as some of the junk food on display. It is so sad to see so many obese people around today including sadly children and to know that later on in life they will develop health problems as a result of obesity..

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (12th Dec 2021  21:15:07)

Hi,
After the Prime Minister address to the nation I hope the anti-vaxxers are happy? This is described as a national crisis and emergency, which is not normal for government to announce in any times.
People not taking vaccine are a threat to all of us, and our way of life now, and the future.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (13th Dec 2021  08:14:18)

I personally think the main area of infection is schools. All children should be vaccinated, it's pointless the rest of us taking the vaccine when children are allowed to run around spreading the disease.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (13th Dec 2021  13:04:14)

Paul
You really need to calm down.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Pete (13th Dec 2021  15:25:18)

Trouble is Paul, it all looks like very convenient timing. Make an announcement telling us what we already know to try and deflect away from what a lying and duplicitous clown we have as a prime minister.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jacob (13th Dec 2021  18:24:56)

Hello Paul,

I agree with you, but it's not just the UK that needs to be vaccinated it the whole world. Otherwise we will have more waves coming to our shores

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (13th Dec 2021  19:10:23)

AR, I think you mean YOKE around the country's neck. Though I'm sure there are reasons why people would put yolk around their necks.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (13th Dec 2021  21:25:02)

Hi,
It's a crazy pandemic world right now. Boris want us to have Jab number 3. In New Zealand one guy has had 10 Moderna jabs from different doctors with fake identities. He did this to get money from anti-vaxxers, as they could benefit by getting access to attend events in the country.

Some people even in a pandemic have no shame.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (14th Dec 2021  16:16:22)

Paul, I take this story with a pinch of salt. According to the Daily Mail (viewed on my phone) he had ten jabs in ONE DAY. None of my three jabs took less than an hour, then there's the travelling time. He wouldn't have them all done at the same place, people would notice him. So how do you fit in ten jabs in ten vaccination centres in a day? Could someone really get round the ten centres nearest us in a day? I don't think so.

Sounds like yet another attempt to discredit the vaccination programme.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (14th Dec 2021  18:55:15)

D I don't think Paul said or implied the man in New Zealand had his jabs on the same day. Also what would the effect on the body be if one had 10 jabs even if they weren't on the same day

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Helen (14th Dec 2021  19:34:58)

NZ has approx 5 million people in their whole country and we have nearly 10 million just in London, you canā€™t really compare our vaccination programs

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (14th Dec 2021  20:10:32)

Penny, I am merely basing my opinion on the same story as published in the Daily Mail (as read on my phone). I am quoting the same story as the one Paul refers to, not what Paul said. Unless, of course, there are TWO men who had the jab ten times in New Zealand. You could , of course, read the Daily Mails' article yourself.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (14th Dec 2021  20:52:31)

It is inevitable that the Omicron strain will replace Delta as the dominant strain due to it's increased spreadability. However this may be a good thing as reports from South Africa suggest this variant is less virulent than Delta causing less serious illness and less death. Along with extra vaccines for the sensible ones among us there could be hope for the future.
No need for panic Paul.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (15th Dec 2021  08:47:34)

Helen, I am not comparing the vaccine programmes if different countries. I am questioning if it is actually possible to receive ten vaccines in a day as described in the Daily Mail article Paul refers to. If New Zealands' population is only five million it would not be unreasonable to assume their vaccination centres are fewer and further apart than ours, making the story even less likely.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (15th Dec 2021  14:11:55)

Hi,
Listening to scientist, rather than politicians, there could be a million of new infections per day of Omicron virus.
I am no party-pooper, but unless people are restricted in coming together in groups, be it social or work places, the pandemic will continue to rip, with grave effects on peoples lives.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Simon (15th Dec 2021  16:11:10)

79k cases last 24 hours, quite an increase.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (15th Dec 2021  16:22:55)

some factual data today

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=GU30+7AB

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (15th Dec 2021  16:52:45)

Hi,
Now we are kick-in off in infected Covid 19 numbers. From nearly 50k new cases yesterday, to over 78k today.
God help the boosted, scary...

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (15th Dec 2021  18:30:51)

Interestingly the anagram for Omicron is Moronic.

The following is food for thought for the Conspiracy Theorists:
'In 1999, a video game called Omikron: The Nomad Soul was released for Microsoft Windows and later Dreamcast.
It was an adventure game developed by Quantic Dream and published by Eidos Interactive in collaboration with singer David Bowie. The Space Oddity singer voiced a character in the game called Boz in the sci-fi game that sees players try to save their own soul whilst hunting down a serial killer. In Omikron, demons pretend to be human to lure humans into Omikron. Then, if the player loses the game, their real-life sole is said to be lost. Itā€™s the one and only time David Bowie has appeared in a video game, and itā€™s been uncovered over two decades later in the wake of the Omicron variant.'

So far the symptoms of Omicron are mild - runny nose, scatchy throat and aches and pains. No cough and no loss of taste and smell. So far that is good news and if people are careful (but not paranoid) we should be able to get through this Christmas and the rest of winter without any more restrictions.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (15th Dec 2021  21:16:26)

Cheer up Paul, at least old Ten Jabs should be okay. šŸ˜·

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (15th Dec 2021  21:28:07)

Hi Penny,
Very nice post, I fear pure fantasy. Maybe been at the Pinot GrIgio.
Good luck with life, I believe we screwed the planet environmentally, now planet Earth is "pay back time".

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (15th Dec 2021  22:48:52)

Well no surprise but I'm still not scared. I will continue to meet with friends, and go to work and mix with colleagues mostly without a mask, continue to use public transport. On other words continue to live a normal life.
Now I've had my 3 jabs so the fact is if I catch it the evidence suggests I will have mild symptoms and if I go to hospital it will not be for long.
The only people that need to worry are the unvaccinated and the expression they made their own bed is apt.
Paul if you're so worried it suggests you didn't have vaccine, but if you did PARTY ON.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (16th Dec 2021  06:43:41)

Other than the issue of masks, I'm inclined to agree with AF. We've had three lockdowns, Christmas banned last year while the government partied on, and after two years we're very much back where we started. We've lost enough time and suffered enough with these medieval restrictions. (Howls of "AF and D are the same person").

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (16th Dec 2021  15:15:35)

Paul You donā€™t appear to have much of a sense of humour. If you read my post carefully I put at the beginning of the second para ā€œFood for thought for the Conspiracy Theoristsā€ ie not be taken seriously and certainly not by me. I thought it might be interesting to point out the anagram and I wonder if anyone else had seen it.
On a serious notice Omicron, if your read and believe the news while highly transmissible does not seem at the moment, thank goodness, to cause people to become very sick and end up in hospital ā€“ certainly not like Covid 19 did last year. However only time will tell. Extremes are always bad whether in politics or the weather. Middle of the Road is what is needed ā€“ not an AF and not you, Paul the pessimist. Try to be positive, kind, considerate and careful and try not succumb to paranoia, fear and panic.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Lyndon (16th Dec 2021  15:56:39)

I think Paul and AF could be the same person, trolling and having a laugh at everyone!

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (16th Dec 2021  21:02:10)

Quite sad to read today that Liphook has one of the lowest take up of the booster jab in East Hampshire.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Bob (17th Dec 2021  05:16:07)

Blimey don't you lot go onšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£have you nothing else better to do.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Donald (17th Dec 2021  08:57:08)

Important stuff this with Paul reminding us daily we're all doomed. Especially as as there is so little news about Covid on the telly

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jon (17th Dec 2021  12:23:27)

Hi Joe, curious to know your source for boosters uptake statistics for Liphook. Government interactive site for vaccinations only shows 1st & 2nd dose statistics. Liphook up to 15th December was 1st dose 88.9% & 2nd dose 82.3%. In comparison Bordon & Lindford was 1st dose 87.9% &
2nd dose 81.5%. Source - coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jon (17th Dec 2021  13:27:59)

Apologies Joe, didn't see the extra tab to click on under the interactive map of cases(not vaccinations) which provides more information for the postcode selected. However, looking at booster/3rd dose stats, East Hampshire has uptake of 49.4%, Liphook has 50%. In comparison Alton/Westbrook/Eastbrook has 38.7%, Bordon & Lindford 44%, Bordon Camp 35.2% and Petersfield North 53.4% Petersfield South 47.1%.
Stats from 15th December. Need to take into consideration, booster vaccination only began mid September.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Paul (18th Dec 2021  00:13:35)

Hi,
After the Omicron variant has peaked in the U.K., and more and more of the population vaccine boosted.
With it's high rate of protection, we will then be in a much safer place, and the route out of this pandemic for good.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (18th Dec 2021  18:39:42)

I read the stats on the bbc news, it is still not very high really in the circumstances. I am presuming that ā€˜ take up ā€˜ means proportion of those people contacted for eligibility against figures of those actually getting booster but I could be wrong.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (19th Dec 2021  10:31:32)

The Royal Surrey has only 20 Covid patients at the moment. Less than people with complications for seasonal flu.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- James (19th Dec 2021  17:43:27)

Penny, how do you know that? Influenza stats aren't posted on the internet?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (19th Dec 2021  21:09:34)

Work it out James. If it's not in the stats how would one know - direct contact?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- James (20th Dec 2021  09:38:10)

Dear Penny,

I am not sure why you are being hostile. Calm down before you get your knickers in a twist. Given that there is nothing published online I struggle to believe you, as a FOI request can take multiple days.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Joe (20th Dec 2021  09:57:49)

James just because you cannot find the figures it does not mean it is not true. It may have been in a newspaper. Who said there was no rudeness on here?

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (20th Dec 2021  10:01:59)

Penny, you know James, if it ain't on the internet it don't exist. I only hope he doesn't work in a shop:- "I don't care if you can see it on the shelf behind me, if it's not on my computer YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!"

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jen (20th Dec 2021  10:10:05)

James, I assume that Penny knows someone who works at the Royal Surrey.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (20th Dec 2021  13:36:59)

Well done Jen.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (20th Dec 2021  13:42:27)

Spot on D- but how sad is that - I feel very sorry for James and everyone else who believe everything they read or hear on the Internet. Before long we will all be conditioned Zombies! Original thought and taking responsibility will be things of the past. I am not a conspiracy theorist but I do think that there is a great deal of manipulation at the moment.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Jon (20th Dec 2021  14:05:04)

Penny, don't know why you couldn't state your source in the first place, wouldn't have needed this Spanish Inquisition that follows questionable posts otherwise. Besides, 20 Covid patients may be less than people with seasonal complications with flu but they still need NHS care & support regardless.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Penny Williamson (20th Dec 2021  15:00:12)

Apologies Jon. I thought it would have been obvious. I am not saying that those patients in the Royal Surrey do not need care - of course they do - I was merely pointing out that 20 people in hospital with Covid/Omicron in a huge hospital like the Royal Surrey is not a great number in the scheme of things. Whilst this does not detract from the growing number of infections and we know that Omicron is highly transmissible, it does appear that so far this virus does not cause the terrible side effects and sickness that the other variants did ie people on ventilators for weeks/months and organs breaking down. Only time will tell so the best way forward is to be be careful and considerate - not paranoid and panicky.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (22nd Dec 2021  16:27:13)

Hi,
I see today's new daily Covid 19 positive cases were over 106,000 people.
Getting out of control... I know a lot of cases are mild symptoms, but at these numbers many will sadly suffer "Long Covid" which is bad.

I don't know what government ministers are waiting for?
Scientists have been shouting from the rooftops for weeks, saying close working and social contact for a period, we need a firebreak.

They never learn nearly two years into a pandemic.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- VillageDoc (22nd Dec 2021  17:03:10)

Dear Penny,
Please DM me if youā€™d like some detailed discussions about the failing organs and ventilators on the Intensive Care in Guildford. Glib comments about the lack of effect are easy if itā€™s not you or someone you know. Notwithstanding the moral injury endured by the people caring for those who have actively shaped their own destiny to join us.

Tired and looking forward to it all happening a third time.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- AF (22nd Dec 2021  22:58:59)

Paul

The amount of cases is unimportant.

The important thing and the ONLY reason for a firebreak, lockdown or any other name for it is the number of Hospital admissions.

Thankfully the amount of admissions is holding steady and the reason for this is the number of people who had vaccinations and the new strain which although more infections is LESS serious and dangerous, by that I mean less people require Hospital treatment. Now this is not me saying this its the professor who started the first lockdowns.

You need to calm yourself and move on with life. Hopefully the masks and other measures will soon be gone, we don't need them now and get on with it.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Pete (23rd Dec 2021  12:40:06)

AF- But what the medical establishment is also saying is that because it is so viralant it could still swamp the hospitals. (%of cases leading to hospitalisation=lower % of cases= higher) Depending on how exponentially the cases expand it could still swamp the hospitals.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Susie (23rd Dec 2021  14:21:32)

@ Penny

Paranoid and panicky spring to mind with your attitude.
I recall your rant last year when you were rambling on about handling items in Sainsburys,you just went on and on,repeating yourself.

Evidence of a person panicked and paranoid!
And lacking understanding.
Have you worked in a hospital setting ?
Or is this a case of the price of everything and value of nothing,I wonder.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (23rd Dec 2021  14:53:04)

Hi,
The problem with hospitals is not just Covid admissions, but staff going sick and therefore NHS care is severely compromised.
London has the highest rates of Omicron variant in the country and rising. Yet a great many of staff in these facilities are unvaccinated. They are doing potential harm to themselves, colleagues, and patients.
The law needs to change now for these hospital staff members working, not next April as planned.
No jab, no work, no pay, it is only fair to all.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- D (24th Dec 2021  09:05:17)

Hello Susie, your style of writing (over use of commas followed by no space before the next word) and, pardon me, rude tone are identical to that of "Susan" and "Maz". Just an observation, that's all.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Ian (24th Dec 2021  10:37:02)

Clearly this thread has run its course and what is clear there are lots of opinions based on ignorance with little reference to facts on either side.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- paul (26th Dec 2021  21:19:17)

Hi,
It could only happen in U.K. during a pandemic. A government daily statics black-out for 25th and 26th December.
The jab program has continued over this period without a problem, and well done to all.

Watch the numbers really jump tomorrow (Omicron did not have Christmas off, or most health care workers).

This virus loves people meeting at all types of events, including domestic. Yet we merrily carry-on...madness.

Re: Covid 19 worldwide Epidemic
- Dave (19th Jan 2022  16:33:50)

It is getting better but we are not out of the woods yet, Liphook appears to have the highest infection rates in East Hants! Maybe this is due to the schools although there are schools in Haslemere, Bordon and Alton that all have lower rates than here

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=GU30+7AB


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