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Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Ian (21st Nov 2012 - 10:31:37) Surely it's time for the Parish to lobby County Council Highways for some sort of effective parking restrictions along Headley Road? Or an extension to the yellow line system that's already there? Having spent yet another 30-40 mins of my life last night battling to make progress along Headley Road towards the Anchor from farther back than The Avenue, it's quite clear that the potential for a nasty accident is growing ever more likely. Especially in heavy traffic in darkness. All because of the number of parked vehicles along the nearside. The road simply isn't wide enough for the safe passing of these vehicles, especially when there are buses, artics, lorries etc trying to negotiate the road in either direction. The owners of these cars surely risk them being hit or scraped on a daily basis? Not only that, but in the event of an accident there is no question that these cars would automatically be classified as a contributory factor to it. As a road user and casual observer, I can't quite understand why they aren't parked off road in what appear to be their own sigificantly sized driveways?? A traffic survey needs to be considered to effectively gauge the problem, especially in peak times. Yes there is a 20 limit and I'm sure this situation forces people to slow down. But that's only any good if the traffic is actually moving and I'm sure that regular Gridlock is not a solution; it does no-one or the Village any good, and is a real safety risk for drivers and pedestrians alike.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - R (21st Nov 2012 - 13:10:12) The worlds going to end this year so why worry about it just enjoy the time we all have left

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Chris (22nd Nov 2012 - 18:48:14) Not everyone who lives along Headley Road has access to off street parking which is probably why they park on the street. Why do they risk getting their cars written off as it's a 30mph speed limit? Why, if you are sitting in stationary traffic does a 'parked' car become such a drama. Just wait behind it until the gap in front of it is suitable then pull round it when the road is clear! The congestion is hardly caused by the parked cars it's just the volume of traffic and other selfish motorists who fail to indicate at the roudabouts so we all have to guess what direction they intend to take, or others who pull across and block the roudabouts in case they may lose 10 seconds of their lives so no one else can turn left or right! If everyone had a little more fore sight, courtesy and could look further than the end of their bonnets then it would be far less traumatic and far safer for us all when using the zebra crossing and travelling through the centre of the village.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Phil (22nd Nov 2012 - 22:55:57) The cars that I have seen parked on Headley Road (that cause approaching cars to cross the white line and drive at oncoming cars) appear to be outside houses that do indeed have driveways,

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Jackie Bond (23rd Nov 2012 - 12:33:15) I have really big problems with it as they are generally parked directly opposite my driveway and its a nightmare to get in and out. Its a head on collision waiting to happen!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Country Girl (23rd Nov 2012 - 12:39:00) Perhaps this could be added to the list of Headley Road complaints - mothers who let their little darlings run ahead of them on the way to school and who subsequently arrive at the pelican/zebra crossing. Drivers then duly wait for the little lovelies to cross the road, but yakking mothers who have not yet caught up won't allow them to cross leaving drivers to guess whether or not the little rugrats are going to step out in front of them. No I'm not a fan of the school run. THEN perhaps the council could use whatever is left of it's yellow line paint to paint the whole of Tower Road which at school times is in fact a car park. Where are all these people from that they have to drive their offspring to school? WALK. Add to the zig zag nature of the parking the fact that a vast number of drivers are so arrogant that they will NOT WAIT when the obstruction is on their side and speed up to come at you head on in an attempt to get through before the very last second (and sometimes later becuase they've made you stop), I'm surprised that no-one has been hurt either in an accident or because they have pushed someone's temper too far. Not to mention pedestrians who are apt to walk across in front of you without looking.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Phil (23rd Nov 2012 - 13:00:34) Perhaps the answer to all of Liphook's traffic / pedestrian / school-run problems could be addressed by adopting the latest continental strategy of removing standard street furniture / roundabouts / traffic lights and letting all road users and pedestrians figure it out for themselves. I have seen this myself, and crikey it really works.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Ian (23rd Nov 2012 - 13:17:01) I did not post this to receive advice on how to drive as I am a qualified advanced driving instructor actually, but thanks anyway to the author of the earlier post who clearly missed my point. On Tuesday night it wasn\'t a \'parked car\', it was six parked cars including a van parked on it\'s offside in darkness, most of which had insufficient space in which to pull round or between them safely, if at all. A situation not helped by an arctic, a lorry, and 2 buses. I made no mention of \'written off\' - I referred to the risk of the vehicles being hit or scraped by others trying to squeeze through impossible gaps, I did not say \'scrapped\'. Nothing to do with a 30 limit. I also said, as has another poster, that they \'appear\' to have large driveways, I don\'t know who owns them or where they live. The traffic was only stationary (way behind me back to beyond Hunters Chase) because it was struggling to pass the parked vehicles. Exactly the same time on Wednesday, no parked cars there at all and no queue bar 2 or 3 cars waiting for the roundabout. That\'s not an indicator of your so called \'traffic volume\', and in fact proves the point about the need for a review of existing parking restrictions and how high a risk to safety this situation poses. Agree with everything you said about inconsiderate and selfish driving at the roundabouts, but that\'s a separate issue to this one and no less a risk.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Ian (23rd Nov 2012 - 13:39:52) PS Come on Councillors, we've all seen you respond to posts on this site so how about one or more of you picking this up and running with it? Would be happy to discuss in person as I'm sure would other Posters, if that's what's needed to get some impetus behind this before there's a tragedy

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Jean (23rd Nov 2012 - 16:18:35) With regard to yellow lines being implemented in Headley Road, this is Hampshire County Council's domain so suggest people upset by parking in Headley Road contact Ferris Cowper, our County Councillor. He is a very pro-active councillor and does listen to his electorate.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Eneida Nelson (23rd Nov 2012 - 17:14:24) It's all very well discussing having yellow lines on the Headley Road, but what about all the people who own houses with no possibility of off road parking?? Will you be willing to financially compensate them for their houses losing value...

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Dawn Hoskins (23rd Nov 2012 - 18:01:26) Ian The Parish Council have no remit on highways etc. Also there is no legislating against stupidity. Most of us know that it is not wise to park on bends or nearer that 50 yards from a junction etc - but that doesn't stop people that are too lazy to walk a couple of hundred yards from parking in the most silly places. If you want to have a discussion about these things you should talk to Ferris Cowper - he is usually at the monthly council meeting and is always very happy to talk to everyone. However - I still don't think you will ever prevent people driving in silly ways and parking in silly ways because some people are just silly and there is nothing you can do about that.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Matt (24th Nov 2012 - 07:30:33) I can see both sides to this. The people on Headly Road that lack parking need somewhere to park and at present this is possible on the street outside their homes. Is there an alternative location? Perhaps the council pays for the pavement to be dropped and a new driveway? However before making such a decision I must add that I also sympathise with the people that have to queue, it's frustrating but I wonder whether the cars are the real cause? Is it actually the volumes of traffic at the roundabouts? I believe the exam question for Hampshire Highways is what can be done about traffic flow in the village?

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Debbie (24th Nov 2012 - 10:30:22) I've lived in Liphook for 12 years and this appears to be a very recent thing for cars to park along that stretch of road so I wonder what has changed? New home owners? Familys that now have children that drive and that don't want to have to manoeuvre cars around on their drives? I don't have a problem with it until you have right of way and you get someone heading towards you at speed on your side of the road trying to nip through, but having said that when you see the length of the queue that that they've been sat in you can kind of understand it!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Ian (24th Nov 2012 - 10:52:33) Dawn/Matt, Am aware that the Parish Council have no Highways remit which is why I was trying to encourage their engagement on the issue from a lobbying perspective. From the Editors post on 5th Nov, one of the main components of their work is; "•Getting involved locally -As local representatives, councillors have responsibilities towards their constituents and local organisations". The threads on Talkback about Headley Road traffic and parking on nearby roads are numerous, and yet nothing ever changes because the issues don't seem to be taken forward effectively. My initial post referred to the need for a Traffic Survey to effectively gauge the extent of this problem and I am more than happy to discuss this with Cllr Cowper as I'm sure would others. This is not about legislating against stupidity, the cars are parked there simply because they currently can be. It is the consequences of their unrestricted presence which has not been anticipated, and neither has the risk to safety they create. All of which is exacerbated by the fact that this is probably the busiest road into and out of the Village. I also see this from both sides and I have already said that I have no idea whether these are residents cars or not. Even if they are, I'm not suggesting on-road parking is banned, just restricted properly to ensure there is sufficient passing space for users of both carriageways and thus prevent a life changing accident. Friday night 5pm, no parked cars, no queues, only a few cars at the roundabout. Exactly as per Wednesday night, which proves the parked cars are the major part of the problem.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Val (24th Nov 2012 - 16:33:35) I agree with Ian's latest posting completely. Ferris Cowper is the councillor to contact - he is our county councillor and very pro-active indeed. He listens to people and where possible takes the appropriate action. However Ian is quite right in saying that it would help if there could be some input on this contentious subject from the parish council, instead of their spokesman Dawn Hoskins just saying that it is not in their remit. That is just a cop-out and not very helpful. Ferris Cowper would, I am sure, welcome input from a local level, ie the parish council.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Austin Healey (24th Nov 2012 - 17:22:43) I wonder how many of the people that are complaining about people in Headley Rd parking outside their houses do in fact park on the road outside their own houses. I note the deathly silence about the even longer queues in Headley Rd caused by the school run.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Phil (24th Nov 2012 - 18:27:24) @austin - I always put my car on my drive, to specifically make certain that the road outside is not impeded, and that pedestrians are not hindered by any parking or dangers therein, How about you? What do you do? Three cars parked on Headley Road today around midday - all outside properties with driveways I noted.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Richard (24th Nov 2012 - 18:43:44) And when Bohunt are off the queues disappear. Perhaps Bohunt needs to look at their trasnport policy to try and discourage car usage forn the school run (I appreciate with the Infants and Junior schools this may not be so easy due to the age of the children). Maybe Bohunt can encourage more children to walk or cycle which would reduce congestion and help to make kids fitter!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Donna (25th Nov 2012 - 08:32:13) Im not one that usually comments on this kind of thing, howeber......I wonder just how many of these comments are actually from people who live on Headly Road?? Those houses opposite the Co-Op, Do not have enough space in their front gardens for a drive way to be installed. The shear volume of traffic that uses Headly Road, both day and night is enough to put you off parking on the roadside. Have you not witnessed the speed of the lorrys, boy racers and school run mums, Im reluctant to cross the road to get to the Co-Op most mornings!!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - M (25th Nov 2012 - 08:39:30) Maybe they are selfish people who take up parking spaces just to make it more difficult for others! Un-neighbourly 2-3 cars stood outside their homes unused!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - nick (26th Nov 2012 - 14:54:56) The cars that are parked in Headley road have been there constamtly( I dont think they are residents but may be social/care workers employed? for at lest a year mainly 2 cars one a black mini estate today noted car was there at around 0930 am ( and the other one metallic silver not sure the type in regards to parking in headley road itself i think everyone has access to off road parking . The resident opposite may throw some light on the matter as he/she has commented on difficulty of leaving and/or arriving at his/her residence on this thread. This has far as i can see is the only area, on the road, that has cars parked long term. If you park on a public Highway and your vehicle is causing an obstruction to other users you may be commiting an offence.( whether lined or not)You do not have a right to park on the road (as you may think) and you may be asked to move it, not that that is likely to happen. There is a Thread dated 21/2/11 Traffic Headley Road about speeding etc as well

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - jenny (26th Nov 2012 - 15:13:10) Well there is one way to look at it --- natural traffic calming! No need for speed bumps!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - tony (26th Nov 2012 - 19:09:34) If it's legal to park there then they are allowed to park there. What's being an advanced driver got to do with this? If it stops people driving down there at 40 then that's ok too. Just slow down or try ditching YOUR car! PS I don't live there but drive along that road from time to time. If we want to keep building millions of new homes in England then we're going to have to get used to city type traffic jams everywhere! Try driving 3 miles in London rush hour, last time I did it took me nearly 2 hours.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - dave (26th Nov 2012 - 20:30:18) Forget headley road. I think portsmouth road is the one to complain about were the jet garage used to be accident waiting to happen there.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Phil (2nd Dec 2012 - 08:43:48) Just happened to notice yesterday on Headley Road that a silver Ford and black Mini were parked up (outside properties with driveways by the way) causing some challenges for other motorists. But, what was more disappointing was watching the local postie on a heavily laded bike having to negotiate these parked cars and having to put themselves out in front of ongoing traffic. I felt sorry for them, and did wonder why these motorists don't want to use their driveways to protect other non-car road users? Then later I was driving down a gloomy and misty Headley Road and had a bit of fun suddenly spotting the unlit black Mini ahead in the dark. These cars don't bother me at all, but I couldn't help thinking that if it were me I'd probably stick my car in my drive as a courtesy to all road users (and keep it out of harms way). Each to their own, I guess.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - chris (2nd Dec 2012 - 21:31:05) if you look closely not everyone in the houses where these cars are parked have access to off street parking. one of the terraced houses has a wall to the pathway and a telegraph pole which doesn't allow them to ever have off street parking. I don't think that being an advanced driving instructor makes you any more qualified than any other motorist who has passed their test. I am an advanced motorist and don't feel that these cars cause any major hazzard. If everyone commenting on here can say that they have never parked on the public highway I would be astonished. All the comments seem to be about other drivers inconsiderate actions rather than the cars. There are people who park on their drives who reverse on to Headley Rd but if you just take the time to allow them to manouvre safely there isn't a drama. just chill out or take a different route home!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Ian (3rd Dec 2012 - 13:18:37) Regrettably for the owner of the black Mini (mentioned by several people in this thread), it was smashed into on it's offside whilst parked on the road in it's usual place sometime on Saturday night/Sunday Morning. Apparently it was extensively damaged and subsequently towed away. I did not see any of this - I have been told about it. I don't know if the driver of the other vehicle sustained injuries. Am not at all surprised that this has happened as the potential was always there as I have already said, and will remain so until the situation is properly reviewed. I think the need for a traffic survey and discussion with Cllr. Cowper has unfortunately been proven beyond any doubt. And to tony and chris, being an advanced driver has nothing whatsoever to do with my initial posting. Please read that in the context in which it was written - a reply to a previous Chris (22nd Nov 2012 18:48:14) who posted "Why, if you are sitting in stationary traffic does a 'parked' car become such a drama. Just wait behind it until the gap in front of it is suitable then pull round it when the road is clear!"

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Dave (3rd Dec 2012 - 19:04:14) As are all roads into the square, this is a main route through the village and should be free of parked cars, lets have double yellow lines in it all the way to passfield, those properties that don't have enough parking off road I SAY TO THE OWNERS BE A GROWN UP AND BUY A PLACE THAT DOES. It endangers fellow motorists and pedestrians to boot! About time this issue was dealt with.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Chris S (3rd Dec 2012 - 19:12:32) I think all this does is prove that people drive too fast down the Headley Road, not that parking legally on the road is an issue. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve seen people drive down the road at 60mph+. If parked cars help slow down cars to the speed limit then I’ve no problem with it. It’s regrettable that there has been a crash but that rather evidences the issue. As a previous poster has said if you are really concerned about the dangers of parked cars then Portsmouth Road at the site of the old Jet garage is the place to go. Given the change in speed limit, the bend, the incline and the station turning that is far more dangerous. There have been accidents there before and there will be many more I‘m sure.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - chris (9th Dec 2012 - 21:16:14) I stiil think eveyone is getting outraged over nothing. Surely the mini getting hit whilst parked is because of someonelses incompetence. Even better than double yellow lines to Passfield why don't we have it pedestrianised, that'll teach these immature home owners to park their cars outside their homes. What we could also have is no access to non residents of Liphook too, that should sort the problem! Nice to see that we live in such a tolerent, happy and grown up community.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Tracy (10th Dec 2012 - 10:11:20) I think you are missing his original point. The mini was hit simply because it was there so that point can't be in dispute, and as well as being involved in the accident it will also be classified by Insurers as contributing to it. No-one intends to have an accident and whether it is incompetence or not is entirely subjective. If the unfortunate driver was forced into the nearside because of someone else coming at them head on towards Passfield, then that surely proves the point that was being made about the road being too narrow for vehicles to safely pass each other in either direction when cars are parked on the road. Thankfully it was not a weekday in the middle of the dreaded school traffic - it could have been much worse and for more people!

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - AA M1lne (10th Dec 2012 - 10:58:35) How can a car that's parked in an entirely legal way be at fault if a third party hits it. It's not a case of a road being wide enough for 3 cars. Third party should wait until they can safely pass parked car.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - tony (10th Dec 2012 - 13:10:46) "Honest, officer, I was just driving down the road chatting on my mobile when this parked car just came out of nowhere and smashed into me, how inconsiderate!" Still, at least it wasn't a child.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Phil (10th Dec 2012 - 15:47:19) Sorry to learn that there has been a collison on Headley Road. It sounds as if no-one was hurt, which is a relief. Yet sadly the whole subject of this thread was pointing to the liklihood of such a possibility. I doubt anyone wished to predict a collison, and we should just be thankful that no-one was injured - cars can be repaired. But this incident does highlight the need for a refreshed transport policy for the village, and one that better matches the needs of pedestrians and road-users alike, given that Liphook is (inevitably) changing. (I have to admit I am very curious as to how folk are so certain that they witness cars travelling at 60mph on Headley Road. Most traffic officers and experts say it is actually very difficult to establish the speed of a vehicle without appropriate measuring equipment, and the untrained usually perceive the vehicle to be travelling faster than it actually is. They also over-estimate more in low-light conditions, is my understanding. So how come we have folk absolutely certain what speeds cars are doing? For example, I usually travel about 20/25mph around the village so if we have people claiming cars are 'racing' on Headley Road then what speed do you think I'm doing along there, for instance? Because I know its under the speed limit ...... not all drivers are boy-racers, on mobiles, mums in 4x4s and generally irresponsible as often generalised on here - for the record).

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Suzy (10th Dec 2012 - 17:46:43) This has nothing to do with speed. On many occasions I have had to give way, usually on one of the mini roundabouts, to an elderly person driving straight across it without an idication or willing to stop at the 'give way ' stop. Only yesterday, an elderly female driving a volv estate [aka tank] striaght over the r'bout towards Passfield, whilst I was already on the r'bout, with my indicator clearly turning right, [ 3rd exit] . Was she going to stop, not even acknowledging any other drivers, she ploughed right over - without me giving way, braking hard right on top of the r'bout, she would have hit my passenger side, head on. Did she blink / bat an eye, no. she was completely oblivious. There should be a regulation in place to ensure once drawing a state pension a retest is taken. Many older people have difficulty with their faculties, coordination and mobility, and without these driving is at times seen to be reckless, without due care & attention, etc, etc. Accidents in Liphook - just waiting to happen. Punitive measure are required.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Tracy (11th Dec 2012 - 10:14:07) The mini was hit because it was there (contributory), a vehicle hit it (at fault). Something may have been coming the other way (contributory). If the mini hadn\'t been there it wouldn't have happened. This thread pointed out exactly this risk because there is no parking restriction on this particular section of Headley Road and what a shocker - it's happened! There is no 'entitlement' to park on a highway and if you do, you will always do so at your own risk. Waiting for over half an hour in heavy traffic to navigate safely around parked cars on a main road is not proportionate (see opening thread). AA M1lne should stick to playing Pooh Sticks rather than interpreting traffic law.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - rita (11th Dec 2012 - 11:01:07) i am not a driver but when have walked up the headley road i have seen how dangerous it is for cars trying to maneuver past the parked cars. just like the portsmouth road which now i read is going to have double yellow lines, which will be better. it might not be an option for the headley road as some people have not got drive ways but surely a bit of common sense should make people park with a bit of consideration for others. and if some people walked a bit more pedestrians might be able to cross the road a bit easier all over the village.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - AA M1lne (11th Dec 2012 - 13:51:42) Tracy, Halfway down the Headley Rd is a parked car where you sit there isn't any other car quite like it it's not at the bottom it's not at the top so this is the car where you always have to stop. Halfway up the Headley Rd isn't up and it isn't down it isn't in the nursery it isn't in the town and all sorts of funny thoughts run round my head it isn't really anywhere it's somewhere else instead.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - wendy (11th Dec 2012 - 14:57:29) Double yellow lines now painted on corner of Portsmouth Road at bottom of Station Road - Hooray! I can now see to come out of the latter onto the former.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Peter R (13th Dec 2012 - 16:07:18) Ian was quite right to draw our attention to fact that Dawn Hoskins stated in her posting in the Traffic Bedlam – Headley Road Thread 23 November 2012 that “the parish council have no remit on highways” and to Paul Robinson’s posting in the Station Road/Portsmouth Road Junction Thread 11 December, 2012 when he stated that “At long last The Parish Council is pleased to announce that in conjuction with the Policy and Highways we have at last got double yellow lines on the approach to the Station Road junction with the Portsmouth Road.” These two statements do present a completely different picture of the “remit” of the parish council. I would like to add that in my opinion Dawn Hoskins’ statement about the parish council having no remit was not an opinion but appeared to be a statement of fact in spite of the fact that she referred to it as "her opinion". It was a dismissive posting although it is correct that the parish council do not have actual power or "remit" as she put it, but according to Paul Robinson they do have influence and input and it has worked. Paul Robinson’s attitude in his posting was so much more positive. It is always easier to say that “it's nothing to do with us” or "it's not in our remit" than to actually do something positive such as working and persuading the people who have the power to take action. That is what a good parish council does. They listen to the electorate, take soundbites and then represent the wishes of their electorate by talking, writing and discussing with the "powers that be" and that could be District Council, Hampshire County Council etc etc. Parish Councils are important, they represent the electorate and their input is invaluable providing it is intelligent, well informed and properly researched. There was no need for Dawn Hoskins to say how she, or anyone else post themselves on Liphook Talkback. That is a matter for the individual placing the post to decide nor was it necessary for her to criticise Ian for referring to her as “another member” particularly as he made it clear that it was Dawn Hoskins’ posting to which he referred and when all is said and done, she is a member of the parish council. There was no need for her posting then to descend into a rambling description of the inner workings of the parish council or her superfluous and unnecessary statement that “as individuals we are allowed to have an opinion.” Nor was it necessary her to say that she "had no intention of ceasing to contribute to a debate." No one anywhere has suggested that she or any individual does not have a right to either his/her own opinion or to contribute to a debate. These statements were entirely irrelevant to both Threads. As two Threads are involved I am posting my post on both of them.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Dawn Hoskins (14th Dec 2012 - 12:23:31) Dear Peter R The reason for my post was that we had been referred to as ‘members’ when we post here. I wanted to make it clear that this was not one member going up against another member. I know it may be a boring procedural point – but communications from the Parish Council can only come from the Parish Office so it is important that people do not think that when we post we are passing on a message from the Parish Council. You must think that I was criticizing or negative – however that was not my intention. I was writing to be informative about a particular procedural issue and set the matter straight. I apologise if I have offended. Happy Christmas to everyone.

Re: Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - Peter R (14th Dec 2012 - 16:48:42) Dawn I was not offended in any way at all so an apology was not really necessary, but I accept it in the spirit it was given. Leaving aside procedural points which I don't really understand as I have never been a member of a parish council or any other council, the point I was making, was that you were drawing the wrong conclusions from Ian's posting and seemed to be taking things personally. You appeared to think that Ian was implying that you were not entitled to an opinion and that you should not take part in a debate. His posting was not implying either of those things. So all I ask is that you read postings carefully and do not interpret innocent and unbiased statements as being detrimental to yourself when this was obviously not the intention.

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