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another accident in passfield - nikki (15th Jul 2007 - 20:38:12) here we go, another accident on sunday evening. do the highways still think this junction is safe?? a few signs and some anti skid tarmac that obviously has had no effect

Re: another accident in passfield - Janet (15th Jul 2007 - 23:42:46) Oh dear, I hope the accident wasn't a serious one this time. I've always thought the junction of B3004 with Hollywater Road and the dirt track opposite is under-signposted. Why is it only shown as a T junction, for instance, when it is in fact a crossroads (or a 5-way junction if you take the PO carpark into account). The signage has always been misleading. There definitely should be a STOP sign at the end of Hollywater Road, rather than Give Way and the speed limit should be reduced to 30mph through the village. I guess we just have to accept that Passfield isn't the quiet little rural backwater it once was and Standford Lane (ie B3004 through Passfield) is not a quiet country lane any more. It would seem a shame to urbanise Passfield but I feel that is the only answer; a pelican crossing, for instance, would stop people using that stretch of road as an overtaking opportunity and would make drivers more aware that they are actually driving through a residentail area.

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (16th Jul 2007 - 07:59:03) No,I believe no one was seriously hurt,thank goodness, a good job too, I was on my way to work and had to give the ambulance directions from headley to passfield post office where the accident occured outside. We really need a clear sign before the bend on the hollywater road approaching the junction,saying basically stop !!! to those that are unfamiliar with the roads ..it would be difficult to judge that there is indeed a junction onto a busy road. On the flipside, I guess we have to appreciate that no matter how many signs and flashing lights are put in place that some folk will insist on driving like loons and put themselves and others in danger

Re: another accident in passfield - purplecurly (16th Jul 2007 - 14:25:16) I am starting to dislike living so close to this junction. This is actually the second crash this week. My husband went out this time instead of me, becuase dealing with the last fatality was horendous. When you think about the pointless mini roundabout they have just plonked down in Lindford, it really beggars belief that the limit here is still 50 and there has been no further improvements. What were they expecting a different colour paint to acheive? We should have speed cameras - that would slow people down to at least 50mph - and that would be a huge improvement on the 70+ that the boy racers on their motorbikes do at the weekends and evenings. A mini roundabout would be a good idea as then people would be able to pull out of the National Trust road, the postoffice road and Hollywater Road in relative safety.

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (16th Jul 2007 - 15:26:39) I live on Hill House Hill and for the size and layout of the road it does make you wonder what some people are trying to prove by achieving the motoring speeds they do. As mentioned before, the only way to put the case is to write to the relevant authorities, Highways agency, Polices, EHDC etc.. Enclose any still photo or video evidence of the problem, along with the details of the accidents that have occured recently. Amazingly, this worked before after several incidents occured at the Dryden Way bend due to maniacal driving (drivers loosing control of their cars and actually driving straight into the fronts of the houses on that bend!). The result was that speed limits were altered from the unfeasible national level to the slightly more acceptable levels that they are currently at (40 and 50). There will be a few people contributing to this site who for some reason will argue the toss against reducing speeds along this and other roads but so what! Make the point about the added residential layout around that junction. I can guarantee that few residents along this road will be against a new concerted campaign to introduce traffic calming.

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (16th Jul 2007 - 15:53:21) I believe a mini roundabout is out of the equation, the lorries simply wouldn't be able to negotiate it and we do have a lot of lorries! pinch points would cause similar problems so I agree with Purple curly...SPEED CAMERAS...

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (16th Jul 2007 - 16:09:48) carrying on from my previous post, speed cameras would hopefully slow all traffic right down,once of course we have a suitable speed limit in place. We also need better lighting on the junction, the hedges need to be properly trimmed (lost count of the times we've had to edge out onto the main road in order to see oncoming traffic)...and I think if the junction wasn't so rounded,it would discourage folk from swinging round the bend at 50 mph.

Re: another accident in passfield - Sue (16th Jul 2007 - 20:20:20) The whole of the Headley Road needs looking at for speed and accident points. I believe that only last week there was another accident at the junction to bramshott, (just before the A3 Bridge). this is particularly bad as visibility is so very poor. Another danger point is on the first bend from Passfield to Liphook, the first turn off for Bramshott. Regularly there are some very large lorries, turning in and out of there and again very poor visibility even travelling at below 40 it comes upon you suddenly when you meet stationary traffic on the bend. With the increased traffic that is now using this road, something needs to be done. Has any one taken readings of the amount of traffic it now takes compared to a few years ago? (depending if anyone has ever done a study there). I believe you can have an electronic counter placed on the road, but am not sure who would be responsible to install it? I was driving normally round the bend just approaching Hill House Hill the other day, doing a reasonable speed for a sharp bend, and some muppet over took me and JUST managed to cut in before the on coming car would have hit him. No matter what precautions or road safety measures - people and cars are dangerous. NOT just the young either!!

Re: another accident in passfield - oscar (17th Jul 2007 - 09:37:28) As i have said before, there are to many people on the road who can't drive ! They drive faster in Germany but with fewer accidents. This is down to driver training!! And its a problem everywhere .. You only have to sit in a supermarket car park to see that half the people in cars can't drive, and don't get me started on the chelsea tractor brigade!!! oscar.

Re: another accident in passfield - liz (17th Jul 2007 - 12:01:47) Don't knock the 'chelsea tractor' brigade - they are a very good source of second hand 4x4 vehicles, which have virtually never been driven off road, for those of us who live in what is (or at least was) the COUNTRYSIDE and who need to drive off road... On a more serious note there seems to be a dramatic increase in very fast traffic in the Bramshott/Headley lanes recently - presumably avoiding Hindhead and the approach to it. I guess this is something we will have to live with until the tunnel opens.

Re: another accident in passfield - purplecurly (18th Jul 2007 - 09:05:59) I'm thinking of making a box, painting it yellow, putting a little round shiny thing on the front and mounting it on one of the posts along the road!! That might work and would be a lot cheaper than 30K, a new car or a dead child PC [editor - have a look at these examples www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso4.htm]

Re: another accident in passfield - Stephen (18th Jul 2007 - 11:28:02) Might be easier to take an angle grinder and find a real one somewhere, then transplant it. Don't forget the white lines on the road. Or looking out my window I notice the mobile roadblock that is National Grid digging up the road again. Perhaps you could report a gas leak every day.

Re: another accident in passfield - barbara (18th Jul 2007 - 12:40:44) You should raise your concerns about serious accidents with our County Councillor Sam James. If you would like to give contact numbers on here, I or Nikki as Parish Councillors can raise it with him. The Passfield Junction was discussed at the recent Highways Byways and Transport committee of the PARISH Council in relation to the hampshire VILLAGE 30 PROGRAMME, THIS IS TO PUSH FOR SPEED LIMITS TO BE REDUCED TO 30 MPH, in Hampshire villages.

Re: another accident in passfield - karen f (18th Jul 2007 - 14:41:38) Sorry, have to get in on the act and mention the Portsmouth Road. Nearly had a heart attack last night from the shock of seeing some (strongest swear word I can think of) person who drove down the Portsmouth Road in a silver BMW doing at least 65 - 70mph. I didn't have time to take down the number plate as I had been left in a cloud of exhaust fumes and dust from the speed at which he was driving. I wouldn't have been alone in seeing this man as I noticed several other pedestrians and drivers giving him a bit of a glare as he shot past. He (I assume) would not have noticed this as we would have been a blur to him. Us silly little people who buy houses on these main roads into and out of Liphook - what should we expect hey?! A bit of RESPECT that's what. We all have children and pets, Good God, why are some people just so THOUGHTLESS.... Mrs Angry Portsmouth Road I am starting a campaign to make the roads safer and slower in Liphook. We do need some speed cameras, we do need some sleeping policeman (and some that are awake) and we need to find ways of enforcing the 30mph. Who wants to join my campaign???!!!

Re: another accident in passfield - Eneida (18th Jul 2007 - 15:08:53) I actually think 30mph is too fast!!! IMO it should be 20mph in the whole village and not just the area around The Square. Eneida

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (18th Jul 2007 - 15:44:54) You can count on me Karen! Re: 30mph limit: This is an excellent idea Barbara! Would it include Hill House Hill, Longmoor road etc.? My work number is 01730 232787

Re: another accident in passfield - Stephen (19th Jul 2007 - 08:21:40) Make it mandatory again for a man with a red flag to walk in front of the car. That'll do the trick.

Re: another accident in passfield - oscar (19th Jul 2007 - 09:50:29) Karen F, I dont know how long you have lived on the Portsmouth road You seem to forget that it used to be the main A3. Since the by-pass opened there is by far less traffic. Never the less it is a main road and traffic does drive up it and always will . But it seems to me people move into a house then complain about every thing around them. You know its there when you move in, surely you thought about cars before you made the move. if You want no traffic move out into the woods, but dont complain about the wild animals making too much noise. There will always be those who feel the need to speed , even if you make it 10mph limit . unless there is something physical in the road so its impossible to get up speed . Like in Greatham. SORRY TO BE NEGATIVE BUT REALISTIC. oscar.

Re: another accident in passfield - marian c (19th Jul 2007 - 18:55:44) Oscar, I also live on Portsmouth Road and have done for 8 years. I agree we knew what we were getting when we bought a house on a main road through the village but would have to say that it has got increasingly busier in the last eight years since we moved in and that the traffic is much faster. I was talking to a neighbour who remembers when it was the A3 and he commented that thinks that it became a lot quieter just after the by pass was opened but he now thinks it has become as busy as it used to be and he has lived locally all his life. (he's in his mid forties). Just because there will always be those that choose to drive faster than the speed limit doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about it does it? Does the fact that we have only been here eight years mean we have no right to complain about the speeding?

Re: another accident in passfield - anon (19th Jul 2007 - 20:13:59) I just have to say that the Portsmouth Road is MUCH quieter now than in previous years. I remember (as a child) nearly 40 years ago, Liphook was a constant traffic jam in the summer (which made it slower) and at times tailed back to Butser! My mum knitted half a jumper one summer in the traffic jam. Does anyone else have these memories?? It would be interesting to know if any of these people moaning about speeding have NEVER exceeded a speed limit in their life?. I travel down the Portsmouth road frequently and very rarely find a car only doing the 30mph from the square to the Jet Garage. Followed a copper and he was going faster than me. A number of years ago, the police frequently did speed checks at the main entry points in Liphook - all at the same time, I haven't seen them for a rather long time now - perhaps it is time for them to re-introduce more speed checks again!!

Re: another accident in passfield - barbara (20th Jul 2007 - 11:08:57) I was interested to read the recent posting about traffic in the Portsmouth road. 40 years ago most cars did not have the engine power of the cars we drive now, and I do not think we are aware of speed so much in a powerrful car. Also 40 years ago Liphook was not so highly populated with all the infilling building and new houses which have been built in Liphook. One comment made was buy a house in the woods etc, I live in a supposed " quiet " area of Liphook, but traffic has increased in the 4 years I have lived here, I live on a bend and instead of slowing down around the bend, cars just toot on the horn as if to say, get out of my way!. I know it is not practical for everyone, but there is a bus service in Liphook, and if more people used it perhaps we could see a reduction in traffic. around Liphook.

Re: another accident in passfield - Jay (20th Jul 2007 - 12:49:59) Karen F Quite agree with you - don't understand Oscar's point about not expecting traffic on a main road. We do expect traffic, but at the speed limit, not at 60-70 mph. If you seriously want to start a campaign for speed observation we are both with you - leave your mobile or landline number or email ourbiz.1726@btinternet.com and we'll reply. Jay

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (20th Jul 2007 - 14:16:17) As mentioned you're always going to get people who will disagree with traffic calming inititives with the old chetnuts of "you should have realised that when you moved there" etc. The difference in time it makes travelling two miles at 50 and two miles at 30 is negligable. However it makes for a great deal of difference in terms of safety and security for pedestrians, residents and drivers.

Re: another accident in passfield - karen f (23rd Jul 2007 - 08:47:27) Thanks for the support regarding Portsmouth Road traffic! I have lived on the Portsmouth Road for 5 years and in the area all of my life (in Beacon Hill) so am fully aware of what Liphook was like before and after the A3. The day after we moved in the new A3 was closed due to an accident, and all traffic diverted onto the Portsmouth Road, so we experienced first hand what life would have been like pre-new A3! In any case, I wasn't complaining about the amount of traffic but at the speed at which it travels. I was just annoyed that some people feel that they are above the law and can basically pick their own speed. Speed limits are in place for a reason and maybe when people are caught speeding it shouldn't just be a fine and points on their licence that they receive, but they should be made to sit down and face the implications of their thoughtlessness by talking to the parents of children who have been involved in accidents where 30mph speed limits were not observed.... I am not just some newcomer to the village who moves in and starts moaning! My mother lived in Bramshott until she was married, my parents were married here and I still have family in the village. I am personally involved in many community projects in Liphook. I am in fact the Chairperson of the Carnival this year. My comments regarding the village come from the heart, I absolutely love living in Liphook and the community spirit, so feel I do have the right to have my say!!!!

Re: another accident in passfield - sue (23rd Jul 2007 - 12:28:39) Karen I totally agree with you, about making 'dangerous drivers' seeing first hand the grief and upset causes the innocent people. Neither are these drivers above the law - but the law needs to catch them breaking it!. There are no deterents here in Liphook - or passfield that make people conscious of the speeds they are doing. In other areas - like bordon and whitehill they regularly have speed cameras and motor bike outriders at a number of points along the A325. It does slow the traffic down. On the point of passfield - only last week a rather smart silver car - either a business one or someone with a lot of dosh OVERTOOK me on the Hollywater road and was doing well over 60mph breaked hard at the bend ahead and when I came round the corner he had jammed on his breaks again and actually turned into Lynchborough Road - now he was either a visitor, employee of the businesses down there or a resident - but he would have been fully aware of the dangers of that speed along the road. - there are idiots everywhere. If he was a resident I hope he feels ashamed of his driving!!.

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (23rd Jul 2007 - 12:47:10) Im that close to naming and shaming....are we allowed to post reg plates of offending drivers on here? nearly got hit in the side again this morning turning out of lynchbrough road.

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (24th Jul 2007 - 06:24:05) Nikki, You're better off reporting it to the police.

Re: another accident in passfield - oscar (24th Jul 2007 - 10:08:37) You all have the right to complain! But you missed my point, people will allways speed unless there is something there to stop them . The portsmouth road is long and straight !! I live in a small estate on the edge of the village and the odd car speeds around there! If its that bad for you why are you still living there? Also can you put your hand on your heart and say you or your partners have never gone over the speed limit ? I think not .. Yes i remember when it was the A3, and the traffic was non stop through liphook summer weekends . Bumper to bumper OSCAR....

Re: another accident in passfield - oscar (24th Jul 2007 - 10:12:27) Nikki, Think you will find the law says if you pull out in front of someone you are to blame even if you say they were speeding . Be more carefull when pulling out !! oscar..

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (24th Jul 2007 - 11:29:05) oscar yes..thankyou for your advice. I am familiar with the law. you can sit at that junction for ages waiting for the coast to be clear. however, if someone is coming round the bend at 50 mph it doesnt matter how careful you are in pulling out.

Re: another accident in passfield - sue (24th Jul 2007 - 18:44:31) Nikki I do sympathise with you, but unfortunately as it stands any driver doing 50 or even 60 on that road is not classed as a danger by the law. I know that is the whole point of your arguement. Be careful of 'naming & shaming' as you put it and unfortunately the police will be unable to help you without evidence! It is true what Oscar says - it would be your fault if you pull out. Silly situation I know but thats life as it is for the moment! I found myself in a situation that we could not properly see traffic comming up our road for about 4mths, and had tried the council, police etc and they couldn't/wouldn't help - until I phoned them and requested assistance everytime I wanted to come out of our drive - and low and behold the obstical was removed within a week!!

Re: another accident in passfield - karen f (24th Jul 2007 - 19:12:18) Oscar Is moving house really the answer?! A little expensive perhaps and quite frankly I love my house and my garden and my outlook and my neighbours, so why should I move? I agree the Portsmouth Road is long and straight and perfect for putting one's foot down and having a little stretch on the old throttle. So if I don't want to move and we agree that speeding is a problem and yes at some point in my life I have probably gone a little faster than allowed (though never in a 30 or 40 zone) what do we do about it? Where do we start trying to re-educate people about road safety? She says gazing out her window watching all the little people driving home past her house averaging about 45mph!!!! Bye for now KF

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (25th Jul 2007 - 07:32:33) ...the answer is you can't educate people who don't want to be educated; they will only learn when their pockets are affected which is the only reason why speed cameras are a deterant. Best bet is to support the Hampshire VILLAGE 30 PROGRAMME. www3.hants.gov.uk/speedlimit

Re: another accident in passfield - Fozzie (25th Jul 2007 - 07:35:48) Oscar stop being silly, stop being selfish, dont react, drop the road rage, just stop being silly, read on: There was recently a FATALITY at the Passfield junction, this is the real point here. A mother and father lost a child, somebody lost a brother or a sister, flesh and blood; heart and soul; think about it, no really... think about it. The Passfield junction may be poorly designed, poorly signed, poorly lined or poorly lit but it comes down to inconsiderate driving; inconsiderate to the the passengers of the vehicle, others users of the road, pedestrians; just plain lack of respect for others. It\'s not about where you live or how long you have lived there It\'s not about how busy a road used to be or how busy it is now. It is about consideration for others. We can all enjoy driving our cars... ...WITHOUT putting others at risk; children, the elderly, the not so elderly, everybody; without disturbing the lives of people that live next to or near OUR roads. Yes they are OUR roads, they are OUR speed limits, put in place by those people that we trust to put legislation out there for our safety; they are policed by an understaffed force that cannot possible watch over our every action. Oscar, (and any others like our friend Oscar) take responsibility for your actions. It will give none of us any pleasure to find that you are on the front page of The Herald as being the cause of, or are involved in, another fatality at Passfield or anywhere else in or around our lovely village. Morally, if you pull out in front of a speeding car we know who is to blame, whatever the law may say. Everybody should drive with consideration for other people wherever and whoever they may be. Oscar, it sounds like you are a good argument for annual driving tests for all. You have a bad attitude, get it sorted!

Re: another accident in passfield - oscar (25th Jul 2007 - 09:35:50) Fozzie, Never at any stage of my messages have i condoned speeding, if you read back i have said it needs pinch points as in Greatham. I have also stated that better driving instruction is required in this country. I'm just a realist, unless you put something in thier way some people will speed . Even if you change the speed limit to 20mph people will still speed! And if i was worried my kids or pets were in danger living there i would move!!! oscar..

Re: another accident in passfield - oscar (25th Jul 2007 - 11:23:54) Karen , I really do understand what you are saying. Every main road is the same and is only going to get worse as more and more people are driving. Its down to the standard of driving instruction in this country . The pace of life in this country is so fast. If you talk to a multi drop delivery van driver they will tell you they have huge amounts of parcels to deliver in a day . Huge pressure to be quicker and quicker to get costs down . Parents having to finish work and rush to pick the kids up. Look at the amount of traffic hold ups due to road works in the area. My job takes me on the road most of the time and its scary out there. People with mobiles stuck to thier ears, people reading, doing make up .And people who just are not capable of being in control of a car. If you want entertaining for half an hour, sit in sainsbury's car park and just watch. We all want our little patch of England to be perfect . I worry more about the rate of stabbings going up and how its not just in big city's its happening . And how huge the problem of drugs is in this village of ours . I think you would be shocked at how big it is. oscar..

Re: another accident in passfield - sue (25th Jul 2007 - 11:44:37) Just a quick change of direction here. When they applied for 2 flats & shop in the carpark next to the Launderette there was no provision for cars. the reasons given was that because within the local area everything essential was supplied and therefore the need for a car not necessary. i.e. trains, busses, schools, doctors dentists & shops. Does that make sence to you all. Whats to stop them expanding that to say no-one in Liphook should need a car - now we know how unrealistic that would be!

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (25th Jul 2007 - 13:50:50) ..can the VILLAGE 30 PROGRAMME be advertised more prominently, either on this site or more specifically elsewhere such as the library etc? The first I heard of it was on here and not everyone has access to a computer or the internet so the form presented at www3.hants.gov.uk/speedlimit needs to be more widely available. [editor - the form is only to filled in by a "person expressing interest on behalf of Parish/Town Council or other agreed Community Structure". Passfield is already on the list]

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (25th Jul 2007 - 15:37:55) What about Liphook and Bramshott?

Re: another accident in passfield - karen f (25th Jul 2007 - 15:41:42) Oscar Couldn't agree with you more! I would love to live in a world where we worked in the same town in which we lived, we ate the same food that was produced in our county, we socialised within a certain radius and people walked wherever necessary. Absolutely impossible I know, but think for a brief minute, how different our lives would be. Did they really have it so bad in the 50's(someone at this point is going to say yes they did!!),from what I have read and heard people were slimmer, less materialistic and probably happier with their lot! I am only 37 but would do anything for a less stressful, more active and healthier lifestyle! My husband has been forced to work 55 miles away from Liphook (due to redundancies in the company he worked in previously) NIGHTMARE! He leaves at the crack of dawn and gets in just before 7pm completely exhausted! When did life get so fast and furious? Somewhere in the last 20 years by my guess and we can put it all down to progress. Not really sure how I have managed to get so bogged down in this when we started talking about Passfield. Better go now before I fall of my soap-box......

Re: another accident in passfield - Amazed (12th Sep 2007 - 11:41:03) It's easy to understand the frustrations of Passfield residents re THAT junction. Last night at 5.55pm the M.D. of a prominent Lindford business was heading towards Liphook, blue car reg.no. R144 *** sat at junction, pulls out in front of said M.D. Brakes screeching both cars come to a halt inches from each other. Driver of R144 *** says to M.D. "where did you come from", implying he had not seen him. He might have had he looked left. What an idiot! Get back onto the highways authority, Nikki; your concerns are well founded

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (12th Sep 2007 - 12:04:01) Hi amazed, The stupidity of some drivers amazes me too. Obviously see this on a pretty much daily basis...im often beeped or made to feel intimidated from cars behind me..waiting to pull out of that junction...I will pull out when I feel it is safe,not through the judgment of drivers behind me who think they can make that decision for me..im sure im not alone in this. After seeing the hideous aftermath of the recent fatal crash at headley down (a car significantly larger than mine)...it is shocking to see what impact a crash can have on a vehicle and indeed its passengers..and as the passfield straight is a fast moving road,it needs to be treated with respect from all drivers...but we can't change the way some people choose to drive..all the road improvements in the world would not eliminate these loonies who treat it like Brands Hatch.

Re: another accident in passfield - Chris (12th Sep 2007 - 13:04:50) There is an initiative regarding safe speed limits and Passfield has been included as a village designated to be a 30 mph zone. I think Barbara Easton has posted something about it in this and /or other Talkback entries and there is an article about the proposal in the Hampshire Life magazine. We definitely need it here! [editor - The Messenger reports that Lindford is getting a 30MPH limit by March 2008]

Re: another accident in passfield - nikki (12th Sep 2007 - 14:27:50) On our recent holiday to the west country, we noticed some roads,not dissimilar to the passfield straight,had adopted distance markers on the road surface. And I must say it worked rather well. I havent seen in our neck of the woods yet. Image - A358 markers

Re: another accident in passfield - sue (12th Sep 2007 - 19:24:10) Hi Nikki I agree the distance markers are a good idea, I first saw these many years ago around Taunton. I thought I also heard that the speed issue in Lindford and Passfield was under review on Delta radio, together with the Liphookroad/Hollywater junction. Only last week (there for the grace of God), missed what could have been serious, just past the Royal Oak. The driver (young) was heading towards Passfield and just wobbled round the bend in front of the Pub, I was level with the road junction, going fairly slow, as the bend there is tight - thought 'Bloody fool' and carried on. My husband was travelling along the same road within a minute and asked if i had seen the red ford in the trees!! Naturally I said no, then it dawned on me; just a few seconds later and he would have ploughed into me. (Sorry folks still here!!) Unfortunately no matter what care others take, stupidity is dangerous.

Re: another accident in passfield - Peter (17th Dec 2010 - 20:03:06) The main problem with this road in general is that there are inadequate or no street lighting,the roads are too narrow.Trees seem to be more important than people!yes i grant you they are vital to the well being of all but somebody needs to take a look at safety,and whether we need proper trafic controle,wider roads with foot paths,its even worse up the road here in Standford,people drive like looneys,there is NO street lighting,the roads have NO footpath,Cyclists take their lives in their hands every time they venture out on this road.Conservation Area's sometimes contribute to a lot of these accidents by not allowing street lighting and restricting access and exit's of the main road with good visability.This i must point out is my opinion but i have been here only one and a half years and in that time i have heard of 10 accidents on this road,not far from were i live,so i can sympathise with the Passfield junction problem.

Re: another accident in passfield - helen (18th Dec 2010 - 13:10:38) I think that if you accept you are driving with the mind set - I am in a country area, and drive accordingly then perhaps those of us who enjoy living in a countryside location, will not have to suffer urbanisation, merely because drivers are irresponsible. It is a b road after all not an a road, and if you are after urbanisation of the area, why not move to Guildford and enjoy that sort of area instead of trying to change the countryside into a town?

Re: another accident in passfield - Peter (18th Dec 2010 - 19:42:31) I know whats its like living in the countryside,i moved here from Norfolk in East Anglia and i can tell you that the Roads are better maintained than they are here!My family are local to Hampshire and i love it here ,its just we have to make our roads safer for all!I am afraid whether you like it or not in order to see properly you need some street lighting.this road is very busy for a B road and needs footpaths/cycle lanes.This is especialy true in these winter months where it gets dark very early.I am very pro countryside but safer lives for all are more important,you can't just blame idiot drivers.This road is Dangerous,i even know of a recent incident where a lady ended up driving through trees because she couldn't see the turning,that could have been fatal!Lets keep our countryside protected but Safe.

Re: another accident in passfield - MS (18th Dec 2010 - 20:02:40) I am reading and reading and can not believe the comments. If you can not drive properly -> walk. If you do not accept the traffic in your area -> move out. I'm sorry, but it seems more of a convenience than actually safety. What a state of mind!!!

Re: another accident in passfield - commoner (19th Dec 2010 - 11:39:29) This is another example of what the newly formed Steering Group and the Parish Plan can address. Some one needs to contact the Hamlets Rep and ask them to add it to the list. See www.Liphookplan.co.uk

Re: another accident in passfield - helen (19th Dec 2010 - 20:11:13) I still think that the answer is to slow down not widen the road, and if the lady crashed into trees does that not tell you she was not payinh any attention to the road however wide it was? I would not like to see halagon lights all along a country road it is the start of a slippery slope.If you want to see our area like central London go move there.

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