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Speed sign
- nick (17th Jun 2011 - 12:16:35)

noted a speed sign (40mph Flashes if you exceed limit)has been placed near the Passfield store coming towards Liphook .Is this a good place to put it?

Re: Speed sign
- Sue D (17th Jun 2011 - 18:05:59)

It probably would have been better sited further back before the junction to Whitehill, but any reminder of the speed restriction along this stretch of road is welcome.

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (17th Jun 2011 - 21:31:08)

Similar signs have been erected in Midhurst Road, but I feel again in the wrong positions. The one for traffic leaving Liphook should be before the turning to the "Berk Estate" and the one in the other direction is too close to the entrance to Gunns Farm. Comments from the Highways Committee would be appreciated.

Re: Speed sign
- Dawn Hoskins (18th Jun 2011 - 22:15:43)

What a shame you didn't go to the Parish Meetings when this was discussed. If you had come you could have put your point across as to where the best place would be.

Very well done to all involved at placing the signs at all. We have been wanting something to slow the traffic at this accident black spot in Passfield for many years.

I hope this will have an impact to those racing up from the Lindford direction.


Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (19th Jun 2011 - 08:41:49)

Dawn

I have regularly attended Parish Council meetings for the past year, but was unable to attend on Monday 13th, perhaps you will enlighten me if the speed signs were discussed.

The point I make is that the speeds signs in Midhurst Road are not effective in reducing speed at the Gunns Farm and Shepherds Way road junctions


Re: Speed sign
- Dawn Hoskins (19th Jun 2011 - 18:08:27)

Hello Jaybee

I was at the meeting, and can tell you that it was only mentioned to say that they were being installed this week.

The decision to purchased them and place them etc was taken a long time ago (before I was cllr). I think the minutes are on-line but I can ask Cllr Evans to tell me how it was decided etc

or, if you think there should be another sign in a different place, perhaps you could come to a meeting and discuss it? If you write in before hand it will be put as an Agenda Item and be minuted etc, or you can just turn up and speak in the public questions section of the meeting.

The next Full Council meeting is on Monday 27th.
There is a planning meeting this Monday (tommorrow)

Re: Speed sign
- Barbara Easton (19th Jun 2011 - 19:39:33)

When the discussions came up as to where best to site the signs, we did not always have the optimum place, as the speed limit reminder signs can only be fixed to a certain type of post. This limited the number of suitable places to site the signs, as it would be prohibitably expensive to erect new posts purely for these signs.Hope this helps.

Re: Speed sign
- jaybee (20th Jun 2011 - 10:50:15)

The flashing speed signs that were in Midhurst Road appear to have gone, vanished,disappeared?
Perhaps they are being relocated more appropriately

Re: Speed sign
- Barbara Easton (20th Jun 2011 - 13:06:12)

There are two only so they are being used in rotation in different locations so they are in Passfield at present I believe. The Parish office have full details of the programme and after use of a year we will review how succesful they have been.

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (20th Jun 2011 - 16:51:33)

I don't know who financed this project but I feel that it is ridiculous that only one pair could be afforded. At least it is reassuring that they haven't been stolen.
I have read or heard somewhere about speed signs being sponsored by local business, Perhaps one of the local schools, which generate the traffic in Midhurst Road might be willing to do so.
When the signs are returned to Liphook I Ihope they are erected on posts further away from the road junctions mentioned above. There are suitable posts

Re: Speed sign
- Nick (20th Jun 2011 - 18:51:46)

only one of the replies to this thread suggested a different location
my Question was is this a good place? ( it has its own pole as well).
One place it could go is on the streatch of road up to the A3 overpass Headley Road /Hill House Road. about 100yds from the bend or the streatch after the Bramshott turning.Dont try to kid me that cars stick to the limit along this road because they do not

Re: Speed sign
- Karen (20th Jun 2011 - 18:52:09)

I can assure you that the local schools do not have any spare money to finance road signs. In these difficult times, they are trying their hardest to fund the essential resources needed to educate the local children. I would also argue that the parents driving to school are not necessarily the people who are speeding, as they are acutely aware of the problems surrounding the traffic and parking near the schools.

Why not look to the other source of a huge amount of the traffic within our village, that very large supermarket that was plonked in the middle of it several years ago. They must surely have some spare cash to help our village slow the traffic down. Then perhaps more parents would walk to school as they would feel safer on the pavements without some idiot tearing up the road.

Re: Speed sign
- Barbara Easton (21st Jun 2011 - 00:07:23)

I cannot remember exactly but the two signs cost approx 10 thousand to buy, plus each time they are moved around there is a fee which again the parish is paying for. When there is next desicision time for re-siting the signs I will alert people via talkback so that you can have an input.

The public who attended the relevant meeting had the chance to comment on the location of the signs.

Re: Speed sign
- Janet (21st Jun 2011 - 10:31:12)

If you live in Chiltley Lane the new sign on the Midhurst Road is in a good position. Traffic comes around the bend so fast that it is safer to meander through the Berg to turn right.

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (21st Jun 2011 - 19:46:20)


The schools I was referring to are those on and off the Midhurst Road not those in the village centre.
Another place of possible funding is the Hampshire Road Safety Project

Re: Speed sign
- Sarah (21st Jun 2011 - 21:32:36)

I think the road sign in Midhurst Road is in quite a good place - cars do go speeding around the bend after Hollycombe Close where there have been several crashes over the years so hopefully it will slow people down.

Re: Speed sign
- Councillor Barbara Easton (22nd Jun 2011 - 10:20:41)

I have checked this source of funding, it applies to buying equipment for schoolchildren, and training courses for young cyclists etc There are also the ongoing costs for the speed signs so this has to be taken into account.

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (24th Jun 2011 - 21:23:08)

When are Passfield going to return our speed signs?

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (3rd Nov 2013 - 16:48:02)

Where are the flashing speed signs ?

Re: Speed sign
- Rachel (4th Nov 2013 - 13:12:40)

I live near the lower end of Longmoor road. No one in my family owns a car, so we walk everywhere. I am constantly angered by the speed of the traffic driving both up and down Longmoor road! Not one car seems to adhere to the speed limit!
I would love for Longmoor road to "have a turn" with the flashing speed signs!

Re: Speed sign
- Andy (4th Nov 2013 - 13:18:56)

Rachel - I actually don't think that many people speed down the Longmoor Road. I do share your annoyance though but I think the problem is that the current 60mph speed limit is too high - it should be 40mph all the way from the A3 to where it currently drops to 30mph on the edge of the village. Trouble is one of the most difficult things to do in this country is get a speed limit changed. There is an old thread on here somewhere about the Longmoor Road Speed limit, I'll try and find it.

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (27th May 2014 - 18:40:10)

Can someone tell me where these speed signs, which apparently cost £10,000, are now located and will they be returned to their original location on Midhurst Road

Re: Speed sign
- heather (27th May 2014 - 20:45:38)

The speed signs don't *belong* to Midhurst Road . Passfield is part of the Bramshott & Liphook Parish . There is no you and us . Though this seems to get forgotten!

Re: Speed sign
- peter (27th May 2014 - 23:49:10)

£10,000 for 2 speed indicators would seem to be 100% too high. A more realistic price per unit would be £2,500 given the simple electronics incorporated in the unit:

- doppler radar for speed measurement
- embedded micro controller for data collection along with SSD memory
- coloured LED display
- battery pack and power management
- optional mains supply

Given they are made in the hundreds if not thousands then my price figure would seem to be much closer to the mark.

Though I hazard a guess that it will most probably cost B & LPC £5000 a year to manage/maintain a pair of them. That's where volunteers could help out.

Re: Speed sign
- jaybee (28th May 2014 - 19:57:17)

Barbara / Dawn
You have replied to this thread in the past. What happened to the "Flashing Speed Signs"?

Re: Speed sign
- Kat (30th May 2014 - 18:31:26)

I agree - let's have some answers please.

Re: Speed sign
- jaybee (1st Jun 2014 - 17:15:39)

People who in the past have been willing to comment on this subject, now seem to be unwilling to comment on its whereabouts/disappearence.
Can anyone else help?

Re: Speed sign
- A. Ryan (1st Jun 2014 - 19:15:01)

Considering we all want these signs, and we all want people to slow down, and these two signs cost ten thousand, why not get a speed camera and be done with it. If these morons insist on speeding then at least we can make some money out of them. Judging by the amount of motorist who speed it should pay for itself quite quickly, and one can hope they wont do it again!

Re: Speed sign
- Kat (29th Jul 2014 - 16:11:24)

Still no answers. Where are the speed limit reminders?

Re: Speed sign
- Kat (1st Aug 2014 - 10:33:58)

So councillors, who we know use this site, where are the "speed limit reminders"?

Re: Speed sign
- jaybee (1st Aug 2014 - 13:11:56)

Come on those Councillors who have been only too eager to comment in the past, come clean and tell us what happened to the speed signs (You know the once that Kat and I enquiring about) Stop behaving like naughty school children who have broken a window and are afraid to tell the teacher

Re: Speed sign
- Peter R (2nd Aug 2014 - 15:03:34)

I agree with a lot of the criticisms about BLPC and the way it is run. It is not transparent or democratic, nor does it reflect the wishes the majority of its constituents as was so comprehensively demonstrated by the approval of the pre-application for houses at Chiltley Lane Chicken Farm in the face of much opposition. They are also not well informed and an example of this is that they do not seem to grasp the fact that land within the SDNP has a completely different quota from land in Liphook which is outside it. Ergo if say 50 houses were given permission by the SDNP (they are the planning authority for land inside The National Park, not EHDC) on Bohunt Manor Frontage Land, this would not reduce the 175 houses allocated to Liphook – it would be plus and 175 houses would still have to be built on land in Liphook which is outside the National Park. I have also noted that some councillors use Liphook Talkback when it suits them but very rarely answer “awkward” questions, the latest one being “where are the Speed Signs?” which is a relatively simple question and to date ignored. To these councillors who do use Liphook Talkback I say “don’t cherry pick and get involved in posts that happen to suit you. Either use it unconditionally or stay off the site.”

Having said all this, I would say to those who criticise, instead of moaning about them, make sure they don’t get in next time by voting with your feet. Either stand yourself or persuade someone who you think can do a better job than the present "merry band", to stand. The Local Elections are next year, not too far away but time enough to rally support to find new candidates to stand for election in 2015.

Re: Speed sign
- Chris (3rd Aug 2014 - 10:30:06)

Jaybee, I didn't realise that the signs were purchased for the sole use in Liphook. I thought they were paid for by the Parish council and I think on my council tax bill that as a resident of Passfield I was charged for Liphook Parish council contribution.

Perhaps you should spend more time looking at your speedometer rather than for a sign that flashes to tell you that you have exceeded the limit!

Re: Speed sign
- Jaybee (3rd Aug 2014 - 11:54:42)

Chris

No one claimed that the speed signs were bought for the exclusive use of Liphook. The fact is that they have just disappeared and haven't been seen in Passfield or Liphook for months. What I am concered about is the excessive speed of vehicles on all the roads around Liphook,and drivers who don't bother to use indicators and cut across roundabouts rather than go around.

I know what a speedometer is for, that is how I can claim people are speeding.

Kind Regards
Jaybee

Re: Speed sign
- liz (4th Aug 2014 - 14:16:25)

I find Peter R's comments that councillors must use Talkback "unconditionally or stay off the site" rather rude.

Councillors have as much right to comment as everyone else, as and when they wish.

For the record I have no particular affiliations and would also like to know where the speed signs are. It seems they have gone missing and no-one wants to admit responsibility!

Re: Speed sign
- Trevor Maroney (4th Aug 2014 - 15:02:08)

The speed signs are in the parish office. All you needed to do was ask the parish clerk, as I have just done.

Re: Speed sign
- liz (4th Aug 2014 - 16:00:44)

Not doing much good in the Parish Office are they?!

Re: Speed sign
- Chris (4th Aug 2014 - 18:27:51)

Jaybee,
Your previous comment of;
'When are Passfield going to return our signs' would indicate otherwise.

Whilst I agree with all your other points with reference to the signs and the standard of driving you will provoke the kind of reactive comments you received from me. There is no them and us and there is no part of this parish that is more important than anywhere else.

£10k on signs that sit in the parish office is outrageous as this money could have been put to better use. Does this mean that now we have the mobile smiley / sad face camera that these are redundant?

If so do they just get written off or put to some use somewhere in a permanent position like Haslemere Rd or the Passfield straight?

Re: Speed sign
- Kat (4th Aug 2014 - 18:46:00)

How long has that taken to answer! I was just thinking how kind of a member of the public to find out and let us know. Then I realised Mr Maroney is a Parish Councillor! Say no, more. Probably had a secret meeting to decide who was going to come on this site and give the answer. Fat lot of good the signs sitting in the Parish Office doing nothing and getting rusty. Another fine example of the Council wasting our money.

Re: Speed sign
- jaybee (5th Aug 2014 - 07:50:35)

If allowed I plan to take some photographs and have them displayed in The Heritage Centre

Re: Speed sign
- Boris (5th Aug 2014 - 08:07:31)

Have you had sight of them??
Easy to say they have them when they do not.
Stops further questioning.

Re: Speed sign
- Peter R (6th Aug 2014 - 17:00:43)

Liz, my comments were not meant to be rude and I apologise if that was how you interpreted them. I just get very fed up with some of the parish councillors using this site when it suits them, but as soon as comments are made or questions asked in a post in which they have involved themselves that they don’t like or cannot answer, they hide behind phrases such as “Liphook Talkback is not the correct site for this subject” or “this is not the place to bring, whatever the subject is, up”. So all I was saying was please don’t use Liphook Talkback and then hide behind that front. It smacks of hypocrisy.

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