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Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (17th Jan 2018 - 14:57:17) For health reasons I stay in nutritional ketosis and have done for a few years. Keto is gaining popularity for its many health benefits and I hear more and more people talking about it compared to when I started (when people thought I had 2 heads every time I mentioned it!). So - is there any interest in starting a keto cooking/keto way of life group?

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Simon (17th Jan 2018 - 19:15:07) Count me in Dawn Since going low-carb/keto last year, I've lost 2 stone, 4 inches round the waist, completely got rid of my diabetes and can now breath while doing up my shoe laces, while eating as much delicious food as I want of and never feeling hungry. Simon

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Christine (18th Jan 2018 - 11:05:45) Hi Dawn, I have looked at this many times but not known how to start. So, yes interested:). Christine

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Simon (18th Jan 2018 - 14:25:42) Christine, There are a million variations on the theme, but they all share the same basic principle: carbs are bad and fat is good. See www.healthline.com/nutrition/... for the scientific evidence. The main source of carbs are sugar, cereals (eg wheat and rice) and potato. So getting started is pretty easy, just don't eat or drink: - anything with sugar in it, so no cakes, biscuits, soda, sugar in tea or coffee etc - anything with cereals (eg wheat and rice) in it, so no bread, pasta, pizza, rice etc - anything with potato in it, so no potatoes, crisp, chips etc. The good news is that you can eat as much as you like of: meat, cheese, eggs, low carb vegetables (not wheat, rice or potato), cream, butter, nuts (except cashew) and loads of other things. If you like baking you can use almond or coconut flour. I use them to make cheese cake. A lot of processed food has carbs added to bulk them out. I always read the nutritional content and avoid anything with more 10% carb (10g carb per 100g). Stay clear of anything in the low-fat/heathy range and these often substitute fat with sugar. Counter-intuitively, fat is actually good for you as it suppresses your appetite and, in the absence of carb, provides you with energy. Once your body has been trained to get energy from fat, it will use body fat too. So lashings of double cream are more than OK and full-fat things are just so much nicer and healthier :) If you like snacking then try nuts or pork scratchings. I make beetroot crisps (just slice, desiccate and flavour) which are quite nice but a bit of a fiddle. It's fun trying out low-carb recipes of which there are loads on the Internet eg: dietdoctor.com/low-carb/recipe www.ditchthecarbs.com or www.facebook.com/groups/lowcarbsupportgroup Some work better than others. Roasted cauliflower (cut into lumps, with onion and mushroom, drizzle with olive oil and bake adding grated cheese and paprika near the end) is a favourite. Good luck Simon

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Peter Shepherd (18th Jan 2018 - 16:41:45) I’m on the Keto diet and it works wonders, the weight falls off, I’ve lost over a stone in one month. Full fry ups in the mornings, steak at nights, no hunger pangs.so much food to choose other than carbs. As with all diets have to want it and dedicate to it,

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Ian (18th Jan 2018 - 17:26:46) sounds interesting but I have heard flatulence can be an issue!!?

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (19th Jan 2018 - 10:47:01) OK So it sounds like there could be a reasonable amount of interest! I did wonder whether Keto might be a bit too much for Liphook - but it seems we are not as behind the times as I thought LOL I think it is a bit 'early days' to start hiring a hall or anything - but seeing as we all have kitchens in our homes it would be quite easy to run it a bit like a book club ie: different house each time - OR - if that is not OK I am quite happy to host it at my house. If the group grows we can think about using the village hall or something. Just to answer the previous about having wind - quite the opposite. Being in nutritional ketosis improves the health of the intestines – so you have less ‘gas’ and less bloating – so - No, it reduces it. Also, addressing the suggestion that you can eat as much meat as you want - not true as excess protein still turns to blood glucose - but - we can talk all about this at the first meeting. There are many many reasons to be in a state of nutritional ketosis Considerably lowers blood glucose Decreases uric acid Improves acne Improves arthritis Improves digestion Improves eczema Improves IBS, pain Improves mental clarity Improves psoriasis Improves sleep Increases energy levels Increases memory, cognition, Lowers bad cholesterol and raises good cholesterol Lowers blood pressure Lowers insulin levels Prevents gout Reduces epileptic seizures Reduces heartburn and acid reflux Reduces migraines Reduces the risk of gallstones Reduces the risk of kidney stones Slows the progress of Alzheimer’s Disease Slows/improves dementia Slows/improves Parkinson’s Disease It is a happy coincidence that one of the big side effects of ketosis is also a reduction in weight! People should consult their doctor or a health professional before embarking on a radical change in their eating habits.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Anthea (19th Jan 2018 - 14:16:03) Hello Dawn I would be interested in joining the group. Will you be posting details of the first meeting? Thank you

Re: Keto Cooking Group - helen (19th Jan 2018 - 16:44:09) I would like to know where the evidence comes from that it lowers bad cholesterol, as one is usually going to eat more meat based products ? I have been advised to give up cheese and high fat products and eat porridge to decrease my cholesterol level. I can only tolerate so much coconut oil!

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Margaret (19th Jan 2018 - 17:05:11) Hi Dawn, Is it similar to the Atkinson diet?

Re: Keto Cooking Group - H (19th Jan 2018 - 18:52:16) This diet is not suitable for those with certain health conditions including diabetes! In fact in some instances it can have adverse health effects.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - SteveA (19th Jan 2018 - 19:46:09) I'd be interested to know more - sounds far more interesting than veganuary!

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Margaret (19th Jan 2018 - 20:12:53) Re my previous message, should have read Atkins diet.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Peter Shepherd (20th Jan 2018 - 08:10:57) It really isn’t anything new, it is indeed very similar to the Atkins diet. Being on it now for over a month it does indeed give you bad breath and for the first week a constant mildly irritating headache. Also as somebody pointed out, it is not suitable for some people with underlying health issues (I.E high cholesterol and high blood pressure) as fat is considered friend not foe on the Keto diet. But what it does do is work, and for that matter works well. One thing I find is, take time to prepare food at home so that your not eating on the go, as you try finding something in a garage that is not surrounded in bread or full of sugar! Sausage, bacon, and eggs in the morning. A large Avacardo at lunch, A big fat juicy steak at night with vegetables, what could be better!

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (20th Jan 2018 - 12:06:12) If you are under the impression that being in nutritional ketosis does not help eradicate type 2 diabetes then you are very much mistaken. It would be difficult for a type 1 diabetic to adapt, but it is clinically proven to reduce insulin and blood glucose levels (the cause of T2 diabetes). It is also not the same as the Atkins diet which put a strain on the liver as it was such a high protein level with not enough healthy green vegetables etc. Although it is similar in that Atkins was a low carbohydrate plan - the difference being that strict keto eating involves looking at insulin response rather than whether something has 'zero' carbs. for example - things sweetened artificially may say 'low carb' or 'zero' carb - but they will still provoke an insulin response in the body, which then raises blood glucose levels in the body. A prime example is the Atkins snack bars etc marked as having 3g carbs per bar - but the insulin response is enormous. Banting established over 100 years ago that eating meat and vegetables without starch reduced obesity, but this research was taken further in 1921 at The Mayo clinic as a way to eradicate epileptic seizures, it is the main course of action - particularly with epileptic children in approx 45 countries. In America, there are specific centers for diabetics to receive help with ketogenic eating and fasting. One doctor, in particular, is leading the charge (Dr Jason Fung) and has successfully reversed diabetes in thousands of patients that were previously drug dependent. Basically, for true ketogenic eating, you eat only healthy natural products. No processed food, no artificial sweeteners etc. Just natural (organic if you can afford it) vegetables and protein. However, the protein should only account for 20% of your intake - as excess protein still creates blood glucose and spikes insulin.(unlike Atkins which was about 90% protein). As there seem to be a few nay-sayers who seem to think that eating healthy natural food is somehow bad for you, or dangerous in some way - I will post some links to scientific papers and clinical evidence etc. The only date I have available for the 1st meeting is the 24th January (quite short notice) as I am going on a trip on the 27th. Please note: this is not a sales pitch! There is nothing on offer except sharing factual information and cooking recipes etc.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (20th Jan 2018 - 12:26:12) H - please watch this with regard to diabetes. dietdoctor.com/the-perfect-treatment-for-diabetes-and-weight-loss

Re: Keto Cooking Group - H (20th Jan 2018 - 13:00:51) Thanks Dawn - Think I'll stick to the advice of my health care professionals(GP) & dietician. IMO it is irresponsible to encourage jo public on a forum with any diet fad . You are not a professional and don't know everything .

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Peter Shepherd (20th Jan 2018 - 13:24:40) With all due respect if a meeting is going to work I think we have to step away from the whole scientific process and concerntrate on basic foods and recipes we can create to make this enjoyable. A very basic rule of thumb of keeping between 20-40g of carbs a day and that includes the sugar, You will significantly lose weight over a period of time.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (20th Jan 2018 - 13:29:45) Helen - re: cholesterol. There used to be a common misunderstanding that all fat was bad, this is untrue. Many fats are good, healthy and crucial to our bodies. When the food industry developed processed foods the by-product was TRANS-fats. Trans-fats are bad, extremely unhealthy and very harmful to our bodies. We now have a good understanding that fat is not bad – only bad fats are bad. We want to eat as much healthy saturated fat as possible to raise HDL. We want to raise HDL not lower it! People also used to think that all cholesterol was bad, but this is just a misunderstanding of what cholesterol is. It is healthy and a completely necessary component of our circulatory system - it is carried in the blood attached to proteins called lipoproteins. It doesn’t just form protein pathways but is critical for synapse formation (connections between your neurons), which allow you to think, learn new things, and form memories. The brain contains about 255 of the body's cholesterol. Since suffering brain damage I have done everything in my power to raise my HDL levels. We know that there are two forms of cholesterol. HDL(high-density lipoprotein) is good and healthy and we would be better off raising our levels of HDL. LDL (low-density lipoprotein) is what we call "bad cholesterol" as it is unhealthy. If your doctor just gives you a 'total' cholesterol level - that is not good enough - you need to understand what is the LDL level of that total, and even with LDL there is pattern A and pattern B - some particles are bigger than others and you want the smallest particles of LDL to be as low as possible. That is what happens with keto - the smallest LDLs (the B's) are lowered. It is always the case that for some people, ketogenic eating – which is effectively putting the body into a fasting state – will not agree with them. But this is not the case the majority. Often people are given a total cholesterol level and are horrified by it - without realizing that HDLs are what you want. I hope you will read through some of the links below about cholesterol and the effect of ketogenic eating on HDL (good) and LDL (bad) cholesterol. The first one is a You-Tube video link which contains a lot of the information contained in the articles below (its American so you have to put up with it a bit!). Please take the time to read. youtu.be/SCmJNbjBin8 www.ditchthecarbs.com/... www.sciencedaily.com/... jn.nutrition.org/content/... www.ruled.me/... www.perfectketo.com/... ajcn.nutrition.org/content/... www.healthline.com/nutrition/... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/... www.ketovangelist.com/... www.healthfulpursuit.com/... www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/... www.bmj.com/content/... ketokrate.com/... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/... www.healthline.com/nutrition/... ketoschool.com/... ajcn.nutrition.org/content/...

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Helen (20th Jan 2018 - 14:09:49) I am not saying carbs and sugar are good far from it but i have to lower My cholesterol level, and I cannot do it on a high meat diet as I am not keen on fish. Do not forget too people, Dr ATkins died of a massive heart attack! ALso for those who have been advised to cut out dairy products is it good?

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (21st Jan 2018 - 14:26:34) I agree with you Peter I only posted those articles with all the medical info as H / Helen seems to think that it is unhealthy and wanted 'evidence'. There is lots of evidence but if you don't want to read it or accept it that has to be up to each individual. This is not a 'FAD' diet - this is my way of life, and is the way of life for thousands of people suffering from T2 diabetes, dementia, inflammation etc I don't think it is fair to try to slate such a well researched and well established way of eating that has been medically approved for over a hundred years and for which the benefits are well documented. You can never have too much knowledge about how your body works. I don't profess to know everything Helen - (none of those articles are written by me)!! I should say that I do not eat this way to lose weight - I do so for other health reasons. If you are not interested in learning what a ketogenic way of life is - no one is demanding that you attend.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Sarah (22nd Jan 2018 - 08:26:21) Interestingly, in support of low carb, a friend of mine's partner was recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. They attended a 6 week training programme on managing diabetes. When it came to dietary advice it was very much low carb. Of course low carb does not mean the same as a ketosis inducing diet, but it does still impact on the body's interaction with insulin. A note on Dr Atkin's death, while he died of a heart attack, it is accepted in medical circles to be a largely genetic link as to whether you have heart issues.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - helen (22nd Jan 2018 - 10:24:57) I am not trying to slate anyone who leaves out processed and unhealthy food from their diet such as sugar and carbs and I believe that vegans are probably very healthy people! It has been proved to be a link between animal fat and heart disease and I cannot really go onto animal fat having successfully reduced my cholesterol level by avoiding it! I also understand all about good and bad cholesterol, which is why I changed my diet very effectively to combat the bad cholesterol.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Thomas (22nd Jan 2018 - 15:32:18) Dawn, It's no problem to advertise for like-minded individuals to join a diet-related cooking group but I suggest it is irresponsible for someone who is not medically trained, and particularly someone well known in the local community as you are, to make glowing health claims on a public forum for a fairly radical diet. . Whether or not this diet works for you and other individuals is immaterial. You have given a long list of apparently wonderful health benefits which you have presumable researched, but you have only briefly touched on the potential negatives and dangers of the diet for some people. Many teenagers and young people read this forum and although they are in the main very sensible, they are at an age when they are keen to experiment and try out new ideas, and there will always be a small impressionable minority, who will take any idea to an extreme, particularly if they are desperate to lose weight. If someone tries this diet without an understanding of the science behind it and without medical / parental supervision, there could be serious consequences, especially if they have an as yet undiagnosed health problem. I would suggest you ask the editor to add a clear warning to the list of health claims you made above, recommending that people should consult their doctor or a health professional before embarking on a radical change in their eating habits. Note added.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Thomas (22nd Jan 2018 - 15:55:32) Thank you Editor!

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (22nd Jan 2018 - 17:26:54) Dear all I have clearly kicked some kind of hornet's nest without intending to. The medical and health benefits of cutting out sugar from our diets is indisputable.That is all this is. Not fanatic or radical - just healthy. If I have offended anyone by suggesting a cooking group which cuts out sugar or if people think that cutting out sugar is going to be anything other than beneficial then I apologise. However, just because you haven't read all the research papers and medical journals and perhaps don't understand it - please don't poo poo it, call it RADICAL which it is not, or a FAD which it is not. I have not tried to convert anyone, I'm not telling anyone to stop eating sugar and junk food - if that is what you want to do - go ahead. But don't trash those that chose to adopt this healthy sugar-free way of life just because you don't understand it. At least come from a position of knowledge and understanding if you want to pass judgment. I suggest that if you are not interested in learning what sugar does to your body and what happens when you don't digest it - then don't come to the meeting.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Peter Shepherd (23rd Jan 2018 - 07:37:49) Dawn I could see where this post was going right from the off. You cannot expect to wax lyrical about a diet(or lifestyle) without people Questioning the merits or side effects of it!. You seem to have taken exception to people who have posed certain questions or doubts, and in response reacted with scientific hyperbole!... It does work extremely well, you do lose a lot of weight, but as I pointed out in an earlier post it gives me a couple of side effects. As we are all different it will effect people differently and in many people. These side effects will make it very unpleasant to carry on with it. Let’s not lose focus as I think your Keto cooking group is a terrific idea!. As I need new recipes to help me not eat the same things everyday. But be sympathetic with people’s question and needs or this will be a non starter.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Someone (23rd Jan 2018 - 08:41:39) I tried this diet and I've ended with an neurological problem ,which faded eventually. I would not recommend this diet or if you try, watch yourself.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Penny (23rd Jan 2018 - 13:11:59) I think that diets are flawed because a) they never suit everyone and b) it is very, very difficult to keep to any diet long term and c) sometimes they upset the metabolism. Instead of the word diet I would like to use the words “eating sensibly” ie home cooked meals thereby limiting salt and additives – plenty of fish, lean meat, vegetables and fruit. NO junk food/ready meals, no sugary drinks, limited sweets etc. Before junk food and the unlimited supply of sugary drinks there were very few people who were considered obese and Type 2 diabetes was relatively rare. Just common sense really. The old adages “a little bit of what you fancy does you good” and “everything in moderation” spring to mind. Another good tip for keeping weight under control is to halve your portions and always leave the table feeling that you could eat a little more. Never leave the table with that bloated feeling. Finally a big warning. Do not embark on any diet however much information is out there without prior consultation with your doctor or a qualified dietitian.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (23rd Jan 2018 - 13:35:45) You are right, I did take exception that people were saying that cutting out sugar and processed foods was somehow bad or dangerous. I apologise. It is because I know that eating sugar and refined & processed food is so bad for us and I find it difficult to understand why anyone would think it a healthy thing to do. When I was asked for evidence - I should have stayed quiet rather than provide it and expect people to read it or accept it. I won't do it again.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Jax (23rd Jan 2018 - 14:30:18) I was recommended this WOE (Way Of Eating it’s not a diet) by my doctors practice. My husband and I have lost over 6 stone in under a year but that is just a minor result. Clean eating like this has cleared up my aches and pains plus my husband cholesterol has gone DOWN!! It is not for everyone..... like all things you have to work at it! If you are looking for a quick fix then don’t look here. FAD diet it ain’t!! A new WOE it is. It is not Atkins, there are differences.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Emma (23rd Jan 2018 - 17:08:27) I have been on keto lifestyle for 6 months, lost 68lbs. Ansel Keyes started the idea that low fat was the answer (this was hypothesis never proven) which he admits his study was skewered statistical study not accurate. It is proven the concept calories in versus calories out is not correct Dr. Gary Tauber "Good Calories, bad calories" book, play.google.com/music/m/... Dr. Jason Fungs "Obesity Code" play.google.com/music/m/... . This lifestyle is not a fad it goes back to times of caveman (research to prove Eskimos and how they ate whale fat etc, native Americans and how they used fat during certain time of year was better then another and used it certain ways) as you loose weight the fat and cholesterol is released into blood stream, this happens first 6 months and then evens out. Jimmy Moore's cholesterol Clarity book explains more as well as 2ketodudes play.google.com/music/m/... . Dr. Gary Taubes talks about William Banting this I found gedneral info from wikipedia "William Banting (c. December 1796 – 16 March 1878)[1][2] was a notable English undertaker. Formerly obese, he is also known for being the first to popularise a weight loss diet based on limiting the intake of carbohydrates, especially those of a starchy or sugary nature.[3] He undertook his dietary changes at the suggestion of Soho Square physician Dr. William Harvey, who in turn had learnt of this type of diet, but in the context of diabetes management, from attending lectures in Paris by Claude Bernard.[3][4] William Banting William Banting.png Born c. December 1796 Died 16 March 1878 Kensington, London, England Occupation Undertaker, coffin maker Nationality British Genre Nonfiction Subject Low-carbohydrate diet Spouse Mary Ann (wife) Children Amelia (daughter) Contents Professional career Edit In response to "fad diet" definition is fad di·et (fad dī'ĕt) A nutritional regimen, generally of an extreme nature, intended to produce results more quickly than a traditional diet-exercise combination; often of a dubious nature. Medical Dictionary for the Health Professions and Nursing © Farlex 2012 Also these diets are "short term" but there is documentation proving goes back further, also keto was used before diabetic diet for diabetics as well as for epilepsy (approximately 1920's), also medical dictionary says fad diets not normally recommended by medical professionals which keto going back to (1800's with Banging, and epilepsy) was/is recommended. As a diabetic research has been hidden in order to continue diabetes, I have watched multiple family members die that if we knew about this lifestyle our life would have been different. All of this for greed of money a lot of people have suffered and died. I am off one insulin and decreasing the second, pain totally decreased, breathing improved,. I am a nurse and see suffering every day. If you want to continue to stick your head in sand and not believe this is a valid lifestyle choice that is valid go ahead and continue your choices you make. But for how many years you have made choices you did and continue to take meds and have issues but you have done those all your life how can attempting a different direction do any worse harm. I have stated science to prove and prove your s science and your results.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Lord liphook (23rd Jan 2018 - 21:45:36) Cavemen, & women, Did not have donuts, McDonald's, and tv dinners. He exercised and ate less!!!??? A nice woolly mammoth steak, the treat of week.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Louise (23rd Jan 2018 - 23:44:39) Well my hba1c (average blood sugar) is down since starting keto, my weight is down, my cholesterol is down that despite being told I need statins for years I no longer 'qualify' to be on them, I've lowered most of my diabetic meds and even come off some. My Dr says if I carry on the way I'm going she's expecting to be off all diabetes meds within 6 months.. If that's a fad I'm all for it. It's changing my life and making me healthier. I'd love to join the group!

Re: Keto Cooking Group - helen (23rd Jan 2018 - 23:46:26) If you read my posts again you will see I have been supportive of giving up sugary things processed foods etc but I am not happy to replace that with animal fat. I am happy to follow an Italian/ Greek / Japanese style diet, mainly vegetarian, as those people have been proved to live longest and have less ailments. There should be no need to eat too much animal fat. The Cavemen did not eat meat every day, meat was difficult to keep fresh so there was plently of nuts seeds and fruit in their diet. And no cocktail of drugs from the NHS either for all our modern day diseases!

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (24th Jan 2018 - 10:57:57) Hi Helen, I also don't eat too much animal fat but prefer the non-inflammatory fats such as coconut oil and olive oil. I know that a lot of people who stay in nutritional ketosis also have a problem with animal fat, which is (IMO) a bit of a hang-up from the 70's when we had it drummed into us that all fat was equal and all fat was bad. If I am frying I use clarified butter (Ghee) but apart from that, I don't add extra animal fats. I get the majority of my healthy fats from the food itself and eat oily fish at least twice a week such as fresh mackerel or salmon. It is a misconception to think that ketogenic food is swimming in grease - it is not that way at all.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (24th Jan 2018 - 11:23:24) Helen, also - just to correct you about Dr Atkins. He was a supremely healthy man who died because he slipped on ice and smashed his head on the ground. He was still working at 72 and still walking to work as fit as a fiddle. I don't think it fair to try to discredit a person after they have died - even if you don't know them. To insinuate that the Atkins way gave people heart attacks - not cool. The Atkins diet was, unfortunately, developed before we fully understood how chemical sweeteners affected the body and made glucose levels spike, so it was a bit unhealthy. Also, many people did it without following proper guidance so did not eat the number of vegetables that they should have done - simply eating protein, protein, protein all day long. However, that was not what Dr Atkins recommended - that was their own disregard for the process. Keto is a much more healthy and simple system. No junk, no grains (even porridge), no sugar. Just lots of healthy vegetables, berries and only moderate protein. I do still make porridge but use chia seeds and flax seed it is delicious.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - James (24th Jan 2018 - 17:04:04) Hopefully people are also aware that there is a large body of resources out on the web with the opposite view on Keto / Low Carb / Atkins. If we all followed this diet, would we also have to increase the numbers of animals in factory farms and feed more of the world's plant foods to animals to allow everyone to skew their diets towards meat, dairy, eggs fats? We can't feed the world as it is and food stock animals are a major contributor to climate change.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Patty Hecht (25th Jan 2018 - 01:28:05) The latest research in heart disease, type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, auto-immune diseases and cancers points to chronic, systemic inflammation as the underlying cause. A ketogenic diet is an anti-inflammatory diet. Currently it is used therapeutically to minimize seizures in epileptic patients, to help with Alzheimer's patients, for cardiac patients and to reverse type 2 diabetes. More and more research is being focused on the therapeutic benefits of a ketogenic diet. Ask yourself, is the dietary advice you get from your primary care physician making more or less healthy? breaknutrition.com/how-ketogenesis-and-ketones-treat-inflammation

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Patty Hecht (25th Jan 2018 - 01:32:53) The many therapeutic benefits of the ketogenic diet are being studied and the results are very promising! jamanetwork.com/journals/...

Re: Keto Cooking Group - James (25th Jan 2018 - 11:37:50) For some balance lets have a few links with the opposite view re eating meat and low-carb for diabetes sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/... health.clevelandclinic.org/2017/07/how-to-reduce-your-risk-of-diabetes-cut-back-on-meat nutritionfacts.org/video/low-carb-diets-and-coronary-blood-flow With health claims I suggest readers do their own research from the various view points and decide for themselves. A lot of the benefits could be where people are moving diets away from processed foods be it low carb, vegetarian etc. As you will see in one of the links above, it suggests processed meat is a greater problem for people with diabetes. So removing processed items from your diet will certainly have help benefits just in itself. I am still interested to know for those who advocate a keto diet their view on feeding the world population in this way and the consequences for animal welfare and the environment

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (25th Jan 2018 - 12:23:23) Hi James The articles don't have the links to any medical studies or anything so it is difficult to research using them as the starting point. However, they did seem to focus on being vegetarian and on Atkins specifically - I didn't see any mention of nutritional ketosis? I am interested to read the research behind the articles though - so if you can forward the links I will read with interest. Eating ketogenically is NOT the Atkins diet - very far from it. There are many low carb diets that are not healthy or balanced and which prohibit healthy foods which are high in fat. Often because the view of 'fat' is the one that has followed us since the 70's - all fat is bad. This is proven again and again to be wrong. Also, just because you are eating low carbs - it does not mean you are in a state of nutritional ketosis - you are still taking all your energy from blood glucose because you are over-eating protein - which turns to blood sugar and raises insulin. I eat less meat now than I ever did as being in nutritional ketosis means that you have only moderate protein - only about 15% of your intake is protein and this can come from nuts, seeds, avocados, eggs - not necessarily from meat. I agree that the world's population is ever increasing, animal welfare is decreasing and arable land is being built on. That is a terrible indictment on the people who govern our planet - but ultimately these decisions are pushed by lobbyist from 'big pharma,' big oil' and 'big food' who are the exact people who have been pushing a high sugar diet on us, since the 70's despite there being bountiful evidence that sugar, starch, and processed junk is causing an epidemic in obesity and T2 diabetes. I don't stay in ketosis to lose weight - but because it is a necessary part of keeping my heart beating since I awoke from my coma. I know lots of people who are both vegetarian/vegan and follow a ketogenic diet for health reasons. I still chose to eat meat and fish and that is my personal choice.

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Patty Hecht (25th Jan 2018 - 13:39:14) Helen, I'd like to share a little background here. I have a significant family history of heart disease. My father and all his siblings died of heart disease, following the AHA diet. Almost all of my paternal cousins (females included) have heart disease. My three siblings, two brothers and one sister in that birth order, have heart disease. I'm the youngest of all my cousins and siblings and almost the only one without heart disease. I started eating low carb a long time ago. About a year ago, I when full keto. I turned 60 in October and I'm not on any meds, have no sign of heart disease and had the best cholesterol check-up I've ever had. I do take supplements to support my heart. To give you some perspective, my second brother had a heart attack at 52. My sister had a heart attack at 59. My oldest brother did not have a heart a but came as close as one could just before quadruple bypass surgery. My other sister and brother had triple bypass surgery. All three have had a stents put in as well. The idea that meat and fat cause heart disease is wrong! Sugar and a high carb diet is a highly inflammatory diet and cause chronic, systemic inflammation which leads to all the major heart disease like heart disease, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, auto-immune diseases and cancers. A ketogenic diet is an anti-inflammatory diet. I posted a couple of links earlier that address that might be helpful for you to read. Below is a link to a scientific study specifically addressing your concerns of heart disease and cholesterol and the ketogenic diet: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/...

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Patty Hecht (25th Jan 2018 - 13:50:55) James, I follow The Rosedale Diet, written by Ron Rosedale, M.D. He is a doctor who has been treating heart disease, diabetes, metabolic syndrome and obesity patients for decades in the U.S. He is a contemporary of Dr. Atkins and their books came out around the same time. Dr. Rosedale was always and still is an adamant proponent of moderate protein while Atkins was a proponent of high protein. Years later, it has been shown that Rosedale, was in fact, correct. A high protein diet is not a healthy diet. Unfortunately, most folks who don't stay up on the latest research often associate the ketogenic diet with a high-protein diet. Also, Dr. Rosedale speaks and lectures internationally on the dangers of a high protein diet. You can find his lectures on YouTube. Over the years, he has continued to lower the amount of protein one should eat while following a ketogenic diet. Finally, I would add that the ketogenic diet is being used therapeutically to treat diabetic patients to reverse their diabetes at The Joslin Diabetes Clinic in Boston, perhaps the world's premier diabetes clinic in the world. Insulin resistance is a fundamental commonality among the major inflammatory diseases - heart disease, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, auto-immune diseases and cancers. Hope this helps

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Helena (25th Jan 2018 - 23:27:40) I'm in ! I'm keto, but struggle with ideas. I've practically reversed my diabetes , come down from 5 medications to 2, my blood pressure tablets are reduced and my cholesterol is down. I really love ideas and support but its awful when so many people ignorantly poo poo an idea without research or scared it might actually just work

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (26th Jan 2018 - 10:38:52) I'm just going on holiday for a week, so the first meeting will be either Tuesday 6th Feb Friday 8th Feb The evening will be better for people that work - so let us say 7pm? Please email me which day is better just in case there may be some sort of regular event on a Tuesday or Friday that I don't know about? purplecurly@hotmail.co.uk Dawn

Re: Keto Cooking Group - Dawn Hoskins (5th Feb 2018 - 11:47:44) Hi, I'm back. Sorry for the confusion about the dates - Friday is 9th February (not the 8th). If you would like to come to find out what Ketogenic eating is about, please email me. I'll send the address etc I'll look forward to seeing you on Friday. For those who are completely new, I will make a small selection of dishes so you can see what healthy sugar free looks and tastes like. purplecurly@hotmail.co.uk

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