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Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- Anna Leslie (13th Nov 2017  19:47:52)

For those of you who were unable to make the evening session of day 2 of the Design Forum, we have released the video of the summary presentation.

It can be viewed here. It is also available in the "Key Events" menu under "Design Forum", along with a copy of the slides themselves.

bramshottandliphookndp.uk/design-forum-day-2-presentation-video-released

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- lac (13th Nov 2017  23:16:03)

Thank you for putting this excellent presentation up for everyone to view. I have viewed with great interest.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- oldie (14th Nov 2017  11:28:13)

I just loved the first point "Things are either growing or declining, nothing stays the same".

In the best spirit of Orwell you managed to "Doublethink" me. At first glance I thought you meant "Things are either growing or shrinking", but then I realised you meant "Things are either growing or getting worse".

So we must grow, for our own good! To stay the same would be to decline! One direction and it’s up.

How you grow is something the state would like you to have a say in. Really? A proper big say, as in “we’ll have 25 more houses and a swimming pool please”?

Of course, we can tell the government where we'd all like these new estates, for the good of Liphook, plead for our preferences, our least worst options, do we want them on the old Bohunt Manor gardens, along the meadows by the River Wey, or perhaps over by Weavers Down, or maybe, all of the above? Mmm, what a wonderful choice, Hobsons choice.

"Growth is Good!" (second slide), "Make no Small Plans, They Have no Magic to Stir Men's blood!" that’ll stir them (quoting the chief planner for Chicago, Daniel Burman, OK I see where you're heading with this, BIG!, no make that BIIGGG!!!), but do we get our swimming pool (no bloomin way, too expensive, this is only a VILLAGE after all!! George bloomin Orwell again.

Or our buses, our yoof facilities (no way blah blah blah), bigger roads and cycle paths (we're going to need bigger roads!) but on a non existent civic budget “BIG!” isn't going to live up to the hype, is it?. The bandwagon will have moved on, away from all the noise, social issues and stress they left behind!

Sorry but I switched off a bit after that, I seem to recall you went on about how good it was to have developers circling in the room (even though communities object it’s actually ‘really useful’), some developers mentioned how a local farm could be transformed into 130 houses, 7 more acres identified as potential housing, a few more here, some there, just a little infilling along Portsmouth road, lovely green diagrams with wispy little houses, I'm sure the rest got even better!

I'm one of the millions who have lost their trust in politicians and their minions, whatever guise they appear in, however nice or well intentioned they are. I'm told every view counts, or is that just votes, at election time?

I hope everyone has their say and get’s what they want, but most of all I hope we don’t all regret it once the bandwagon has moved on and left us with another tick box government award winning urban wasteland scheme!

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- oldie (14th Nov 2017  13:32:53)

PS I ought to have said thank you for posting the video and link to the website, as an oldie I sometimes forget my manners!

Having a look through the site it seems that the members all live locally and seem to want what I want, to keep this beautiful, environment we live in as natural, unpolluted as possible, so despite my often abrasive replies, I do wish you the best of luck!

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- lucy (15th Nov 2017  07:57:39)

The benefits of spending a lot of money on a Neighbourhood plan are
unclear to me, if liphook has built its quota of new houses then why do we need to pay some one to point us in the direction to build more houses? Where ever they choose to build it will upset somebody!

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- KT (15th Nov 2017  11:44:10)

Liphook has met its current quota of houses but there will be more coming our way hence the need for a neighborhood plan so that at least we have a say in where they are and what they look like. Also bear in mind a neighborhood plan isn't just about housing, it can also be around sports facilities, roads, shops, footpaths, cycle ways etc.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- lucy (16th Nov 2017  08:07:18)

We will only have a say if the sites chosen accord with National Policies, National Park policies and then more local district policies, which they have to now.

A neighbourhood plan is not about picking sites it is about
which sites are not in accordance with policies. Also why do we need to pay a consultant to tell us we need more local facilities?

The facilities in Bordon are being paid for by developers building more houses, they did not have a neighbourhood plan?

We are yet to experience the fun of all traffic from Bordon using our station. It is better transport we need who is going to arrange that?

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- MR (16th Nov 2017  09:06:30)

Lucy

This is a golden opportunity for registering your comments on the Neighbourhood Development Plan web site and/or attend the Day 3 Design Forum being held on 28th November.

It's important that residents of the Parish take an active part in the debate through the opportunities given by the NDP procedures.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- lucy (16th Nov 2017  10:05:31)

We will only have a say if the sites chosen accord with National Policies, National Park policies and then more local district policies, which they have to now. A neighbourhood plan is not about picking sites it is about
which sites are not in accordance with policies. Also why do we need to pay a consultant to tell us we need more local facikities? The facilities in Bordon are being paid for by developers building more houses, they did
not have a neighbourhood plan?
We are yet to experience the fun of all traffic from Bordon using our station. It is better transport we need who is going to arrange that?

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- Dawn Hoskins (16th Nov 2017  11:12:45)

Lucy
You seem to not understand the point of the Neighborhood Plan?

Basically, it doesn't matter that everyone in Liphook and hamlets know that 'we are full' or that we need facilities unless we have a legally binding document that speaks with the authority of the village.

Individually we can make a fuss about a major planning development and we will get nowhere - just one voice.

When a binding document is compiled that speaks with authority for all the thousands of people that live here - then - it works. It defines what we like, don't like, what we aspire to etc into a document that can be plonked on the desks of the highways authority, the planning authority, the waterworks, broadband and power companies - everyone.

That is why it is crucial that you have your say - not on here - but where it counts.

If you have a moan - tell it.
If you have an idea - tell it
If you have praise - tell it
If there is a crucial element that you want to preserve or save - tell it.

Please don't moan that it is useless after it is finished if you had nothing to do with inputting opinion when it was asked for.

Here is a pdf link which is a good read if you are unsure what it is all about: locality.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Quick-Guide.pdf

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- Sceptical (16th Nov 2017  14:12:33)

well - a plan is just the start....!

It doesn't appear to have reviewed the lack of retail for these proposals for new builds ?

One small Sainsburys is just not enough ?!

Of course we can all shop online etc, but one small Sainsburys....come on guys,what about a retail park ????......in place of yet more houses .....

I for one am sick of the small Sainsburys with its usual 'popular' items.

Liphook needs more retail, NOT more housing....

Get a grip on reality and what family houses really need.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- liz (16th Nov 2017  16:32:19)

I think a retail park is well down the list......(or is this a wind up?!)

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- lucy (16th Nov 2017  17:00:08)

A neighbourhood plan is about policies. It matters not one jot what we do or do not like. That cannot be part of the plan unless it is a question of designs of the new housing estates. There is no option to say we do not want anymore houses as we are full already, the developers are the one who will be funding any new facilities so they will have to build masses
more for us to get new facilities, the plan has nothing to do with any commercial buildings.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- Sceptical (16th Nov 2017  22:37:52)

Lucy,

a plan should and needs to be holistic to meet the needs of any community,which obviously includes commercial / retail.

Dumping mass housing without resources is just too simplistic !!

I guess you shop online and really don't care about the retail required to support and underpin mass housing.
Stop being fobbed off with GP surgeries and school extensions.....that's all too naive.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- A.R (17th Nov 2017  12:19:51)

I seem to remember people turning up at the Millennium Hall for the Bramshott & Liphook Parish Plan to discuss what housing and facilities were needed in Liphook.

We were all armed with our coloured dots to place on what we considered were the most important things the village needed.

Facilities for the youth and the old, road improvements, housing etc. A vast amount of the villagers placed housing on the Bohunt site, which was condemned by the Parish council.

I actually attended a meeting in Midhurst where certain councillors spoke against this proposal.

Explain to me why a neighbourhood plan should be any different if people's preferences are blatantly ignored. It really seems like a waste of time to me as surely it is blindingly obvious to everyone what is needed.

More shops, and shops that will be used by the majority of people, not the type where someone sets up their hobby, or how many times can one go and sit around drinking coffee.

More facilities for the young and old, more sports facilities.

We have two doctors surgeries in Liphook, one where you have to go down to Liss to see a doctor at times. Madness as some people can not travel there. It would make more sense for there to be one practice so everyone can be seen in Liphook. But hey ho wasn't there a chance this could have been done with a surgery built on the Bohunt frontage which could have been like the Haslemere health surgery.

No one wants more housing but the council seem to allow it in the most unsuitable places, and we do seem poor at sustaining our infrastructure.

Lets face it if Sainsburys hadn't been built we would not have the Millennium hall. That building has really become a God send as there would not be anything at all in Liphook.

There does seem to be more talk and exhibitions about our future than actual action.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- liz (17th Nov 2017  16:39:37)

A.R.

There have been and will be opportunities to contribute to the plan as I understand it. Presumably you attended the recent sessions as part of this process.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- MR (17th Nov 2017  17:27:05)

AR as I mentioned on a previous post to Lucy this is a golden opportunity for registering your comments on the Neighbourhood Development Plan web site and/or attend the Day 3 Design Forum being held on 28th November.

It's important that residents of the Parish take an active part in the debate through the opportunities given by the NDP procedures.

Whilst Talkback is often a useful means of communication there is nothing better than registering your concerns directly to the relevant organisation which in this case is the Neighbourhood Development Plan Steering Group.

I viewed the video and found it both instructive and informative.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- A.R (18th Nov 2017  10:14:00)

No Liz I did not attend the recent sessions, as I am afraid we are treading over old ground.In the past few years I have attended many exhibitions and have even helped out at a couple of these meetings.
I am afraid past councils and some might say the present council have only added to a hotch potch of buildings in Liphook, plonked in areas with little rhyme or reason.
I have also attended several Parish council meetings and have found them both presumptuous and arduous.
My great grandmother had built one of the first houses along the Haslemere road but since then the village has become a patch work quilt. of different decades.
I stand by what I say, a lot of talk but little action.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- liz (18th Nov 2017  11:24:10)

A.R

I too have been to various meetings and exhibitions over the years. The neighbourhood plan will actually carry some weight as far as planning for the future of the village and it would be wrong to give up now. Most places are a patchwork of different eras but with very different outcomes.

Re: Neighbourhood Development Plan Presentation Video
- KT (18th Nov 2017  12:09:13)

If you had attended any parish council meetings then you would know that the council has no control over where buildings are plonked in the village. The council can only comment on applications and it is only EHDC who have the power to decide.

And the neighborhood plan is a group of volunteers and is not the parish council. I went to the presentation evening at the end of the 2 day forum and it was brilliant...even a whole new potential area was discussed for potential housing and more facilities which I'd never heard about before.

I think you're wrong to not want to contribute if you feel so strongly.

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