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Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Andy (6th Jun 2016 - 20:10:27) Is the traffic going down Headley Rd getting faster or am I just getting older..... Careful how you answer!!! Seriously though, are we going to have to wait for a fatality on the zebra crossing, a collision coming out of Tower Rd or The Avenue or any other combination, before something is done to reduce the speed of the traffic? It is supposed to be a 30mph limit!! I have written and spoken with the Highways dept, spoken with the local police representatives who said they would get the local speed check people- you know the one's who are usually on the London Rd- to cover Headley Rd, this hasn't happened. As a community how do we do something to slow the traffic down and prevent someone getting seriously injured or worse?

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Jayne (6th Jun 2016 - 20:40:52) Totally agree. I've often wondered why the speed patrols never deviate from London road. It'd be nice to see the 20mph speed limit being enforced outside Bohunt School for example but you never see them or the police there. So many children walking through Liphook there should be more speed control presence in my opinion. And the volume of traffic is only going to increase...

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - jaybee (6th Jun 2016 - 21:15:28) In 2011 the Parish council purchased a "Flashing Speed Sign" with the intention that it could be placed at various points in the village to deter speeding. For a couple of months it was in Midhurst Road then it moved to Passfield then it disappeared never to be seen again. Despite asking Council Members about the whereabouts of the sign I got no answer. More of our money wasted Perhaps the powers that be, on reading this post will come up with an answer and a solution

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - BT (7th Jun 2016 - 08:22:19) Totally agree that traffic on Headley Road and past Bohunt needs to be checked -even the speed bumps down The Avenue don't prevent people driving at 30mph or more. Am tired of keeping to the speed limit and finding vehicles driving up my bumper to hurry me along. I live along The Avenue and have given up walking to the Co-op as the traffic is so frightening. Yes, I do get the car out to go there and I keep to the speed limit!! If we want people to take more exercise and walk let's hope something can be done to encourage the present volume of traffic to slow down - let alone when further building and it's associated cars are here. Can someone give the link for who to write to about this problem so that we can swell the numbers giving it attention ?

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Paul (7th Jun 2016 - 09:00:55) What are people actually suggesting is done about people speeding on Headley Road? Even if the speed limit was reduced from 30 to 20, this isn't going to stop the same people speeding! As for the people who stand there with a clipboard taking down registration numbers, what difference has that made to any other part of Liphook. As a previous poster said, speed bumps don't seem to stop people flying down the avenue, so they don't seem very effective. The only thing that could possibly make people slow down on headley road is a permanent speed camera. Well that isn't going to happen in a million years. So I'm afraid to tell you all that the speeding isn't going to stop!!!!

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - D (7th Jun 2016 - 09:04:01) If I remember correctly, in an earlier thread, the illuminated sign was traced to the council offices Probably being used to stop the council members and staff moving too quickly !!

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Dawn Hoskins (7th Jun 2016 - 10:05:11) I think there is a general lack of awareness generally. Everyone is bound up in their own busy life, their own trip, their own world. This results in falling standards of behaviour as people start 'not to consider' those around us and just do what they want. Community spirit is missing in these people. I think this lack of 'Community spirit' explains the lack of respect to the area - with all the rubbish being chucked out of car windows, dog poop being left all over the pavements, people abandoning their cars in stupid places on the school run - people just don't seem to have respect for the people where they live, the inconvenience their behaviour causes - or the appearance of the place where they live. On another note - If there were more volunteers for Speedwatch they may be able to do more. When they put out the call for volunteers; out of 8,000 potential recruits that live in the Parish - about 4 people came forward!!!! If the same registration numbers are repeatedly noted the police do get involved, that is something that opens your eyes and changes your opinion (when the police are knocking at the door). So maybe those who are concerned about the speeding would like to become part of Speedwatch - and influence where you stand with the speed guns. The flashing signs continually had the battery pack stolen. The signs themselves were great - but some 'toerag' kept helping himself to the powerpacks which were horrifically expensive. ~So the community pays the price for the behaviour of the few. I think they were very effective at shocking you out of your 'daydream' and slowing you down. I'm not sure what the answer is re:village speeding. It is happening in every village in every place. The police are the only ones who can do anything really. People don't change their behaviour unless they are made to pay a penalty. Same for parking like morons; picking up poop, chucking litter out of the car......asking them nicely doesn't work.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - jaybee (7th Jun 2016 - 12:21:32) Battery packs were not stolen when the signs were in Midhurst Road Presume offences took place in Passfield. Shottermill /Fernhurst Do not appear to have collectors of battery packs

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Andy (7th Jun 2016 - 13:58:09) Paul- thanks for being so positive, really helpful. Let's all adopt the head in the sand scenario and hope it goes away!! The additional comments should make us ALL more determined to do something about it. I agree that by simply reducing the speed limit from 30-20 there will be little or no impact. That is why I was asking for suggestions as to how we, as a community, can do something. Do we start by parking our cars on the roadside as the residents at the top end of Headley Rd already do- this slows the wanna be F1 drivers down!

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Ian (7th Jun 2016 - 14:30:18) There is only one answer which is more police and speed traps. As a community are we prepared to see an increase in local taxes to fund more policing?

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Keith (7th Jun 2016 - 15:59:12) If there were more policemen watching for speeding traffic on Headley Road then you'd have a new Talkback thread asking why these officers were spending all of their time stopping "innocent" motorists when they should be out solving "proper" crimes - it's a situation where the police can't win. A fixed speed camera would slow traffic for a few days, but then once regular users of the road knew where it was, they would slow down just before it, stick to the speed limit for a couple of hundred yards and then speed back up again. Sadly when situations such as this have been investigated nationwide in the past, it is invariably those motorists who live or work within 10 minutes drive of the road in question who are the worst offenders (probably a case of familiarity breeds contempt) So if you are a local driver, think how often you speed (or are tempted to), on the roads within 10 minutes drive of your house/workplace --- curb that urge and the roads will be safer for everyone.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - dave (7th Jun 2016 - 16:09:43) The congestion in the square once the Lowsley Farm houses have been built might solve the problem.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Helen (7th Jun 2016 - 18:27:33) Totally agree about the speeding v frightening. I have considered buying a banger to park at the start of the village on the road to slow it all down.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Darren (7th Jun 2016 - 22:03:24) I've often thought that a light controlled/pelican crossing, instead of the zebra crossing would start to slow the traffic during the school run. There's been too many near misses from disrespectful drivers. Perhaps the 'priority over oncoming traffic' road management system could be requested from the council? These options would probably need a considerable amount of support from the village just to get it on the table though.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Eb (8th Jun 2016 - 06:33:59) Much the same on the Haslemere road. The other day a car was overtaken at great speed by the Malthouse meadows turning. Before 8am I find is bad with cars speeding through the village.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Chris (8th Jun 2016 - 09:39:04) I agree traffic speed in Liphook has become a major problem. I have never understood why we have not adopted a similar scheme to Spain and Portugal . In those countries if you enter a village too fast you are stopped for 10 seconds by a red traffic light. A far better solution than speed bumps or speed cameras to slow traffic down.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Jan E (9th Jun 2016 - 14:09:46) I have lived in Liphook for nearly 40 years, speeding along Headley Road, and by the Malthouse Meadows turning, has been happening all this time, might I suggest a public meeting with someone from the Highways ad Byways department, to see if a solution could be found.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - roo (10th Jun 2016 - 07:04:32) With all the proposed development in liphook in the near future. A series of roads need to be built so the traffic bypasses the square. One from headley rd across to longmoor rd then across to portsmouth rd up behind bohunt school the make the traffic use station rd and midhurst rd or portsmouth rd and close the square off completely with a pedestrian area outsidethe anchor pub.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Sam (10th Jun 2016 - 09:39:56) I drive or cycle along Headley Road several times a day and I have to say I don't find the speed of traffic nearly as bad there as it is on Haslemere Road. I think as its narrower and there are often parked cars it helps slow people down a little. Haslemere Road on the other hand seems to regularly be used as a race track! People just put their foot down once they've left the village and keep accelerating all the way along paying no consideration whatsoever to the fact that this is a residential road. How people can speed past the many children walking up and down the road on narrow pavements is beyond me. I, too have been in touch with the council regarding this. It seems that basically as it is not an accident hotspot nothing will be done to stop these idiots. So what are they waiting for - somebody to be killed before something is done about it? It saddens me constantly as I watch the cars race past my house doing at least 50mph. We need at the very least pinch points or speed bumps like they've put on Crossways Road in Grayshott for example. The Speedwatch volunteers do a wonderful job and I'm so pleased when I see them but unfortunately where they stand the cars see them too far in advance and have slowed down by the time the recording is taken so it's not a true representation of the actual speeds. We need police with speed guns like they regularly have in Grayswood. Meanwhile I shall continue to drive at just under 30mph along my road and I shan't be hassled by the morons who think that driving right up my bumper is going to make me go any faster. I hope that it might make one or two just stop to realise the speed they should be going at and maybe next time they might show some consideration for the people that live here.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Dawn Hoskins (10th Jun 2016 - 11:37:46) I have to say - even when it is an accident blackspot they don't do anything about it*****. Look at the horrendous fatality and accident blackspot that is the Passfield Junction and the Passfield straight. 4 dead in 10 years and countless other injuries and cars smashed. What has been done......yep - you got it! So I think that any calls for speed reducing measures are not going to happen. No council department has any money to pay for them. It is up to people who volunteer, like speed watch folks, and peer pressure. If you know someone who regularly speeds then talk to them or report them on 101. *****[Unless someone influential has got a friend somewhere powerful when completely unnecessary speed measures are introduced - thinking of that hopeless roundabout in Lindford]

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - dave (10th Jun 2016 - 12:40:51) Sam, perhaps you should park a car on Haslemere Rd to create a pinch point.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Sam (10th Jun 2016 - 14:29:20) I have often thought of doing exactly that Dave but I fear my car or certainly it's wing mirrors wouldn't last long! I am always pleased when I see cars or vans parked along the roadside though as it really does seem to be the only thing that makes people slow down a bit.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Ed (10th Jun 2016 - 17:03:31) Totally agree with Sam, the Haslemere Road is an absolute nightmare for speeding. I can hear them whizzing by outside as I type. Being on the side without a path means crossing the road, especially with young children in tow, can be quite a frightening experience. There were two accidents last year within a very short space of time involving vehicles pulling out of the Maltings and Manor Fields. Police were at both scenes. And they were just the ones I happened to pass, there may well have been more. Vehicles parked on the road does seem to be the only effective way of slowing down the traffic in the village and pinch points are very effective in Grayshott and Selbourne so maybe they need to be explored.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Brian (10th Jun 2016 - 17:24:19) I agree with previous posters that there is an issue with excessive speed and in particular on the Haslemere road. I have noticed that early morning is often the worst time. There was a recent proposition in Government to devolve some speed limiting powers to local communities and this was withdrawn. The following link outlines the arguments: theyworkforyou.com/...<:a> The government minister responded that communities should instead “sign petitions and lobby their locally elected councillors”. For me the issue is not the speed limits but compliance with the limits. I am not a big fan of speed calming measures and fixed cameras are not always effective. The future appears to be average speed cameras and the recent transport committee report (publications.parliament.uk/pa/...) seems to indicate this. Their cost has reduced dramatically and if only they could be allowed to be self-funded as the report suggests then they may be the answer (but only in accident hotspots). Until then the only viable options appear to be the cheaper speed calming measures like removing the central lines.

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Andy (13th Jun 2016 - 09:57:14) I have contacted our local councillor and the highways rep and attach below the response received. Thank you for your email. Mr Janes and I are meeting shortly to discuss various queries and concerns which have raised with me since my election last month. I will make sure that this issue is on our agenda. Kind regards Floss Cllr. Floss Mitchell Hampshire County Council for Headley Division Horseshoe Farmhouse, Picketts Hill, Headley, GU35 8TD 01428 712079 07849 517888

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Andy (15th Jun 2016 - 09:31:46) At least the traffic lights and road works are slowing the traffic down!! Might invest in a set of signals :-)

Re: Speed of traffic on Headley Rd - Lizzy (29th Aug 2016 - 17:17:43) I like Eb, Sam, Brian and Ed have become more and more exasperated with the speed of the traffic on the Haslemere Road. I, like Eb have also been overtaken twice near junctions. I, like Sam, drive at 30 mph to make other drivers aware, although this did seem to encourage one driver to overtake me. I, today, sent the attached E Mail. Perhaps, if others think this could be a solution, more E Mails may put pressure on the authorities.

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