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planning application for new development - nick (20th Nov 2015 - 11:24:31) opposite Hunters Chase (Headley Road) Application for 36 Houses to be built ,Application form is attached to the Bus stop means crossing the road to read it. Any Comments about more houses being built. Reference: 52669/002 planningpublicaccess.easthants.gov.uk/online-applications

Re: planning application for new development - Dawn Hoskins (20th Nov 2015 - 13:10:38) That looks good. They may be a little bit noisy being so close to the A3 - but no more so than Hunters Chase I presume.

Re: planning application for new development - Chris (20th Nov 2015 - 13:44:11) Great use of the space

Re: planning application for new development - Neil (20th Nov 2015 - 21:25:07) More houses might mean more decent shops in the village centre in the longer term...and fewer frippin estate agents!

Re: planning application for new development - Kara (20th Nov 2015 - 22:00:17) I wonder what school the children will go to with all the new houses being built I had details from wimpey homes through my letter box about the 155 houses being built at lowsly farm with land being put aside for even more in the future. Year r at the infant school has 20 children on their waiting list . I heard the juniors has 40 on the witting list although I haven't heard that from the horses mouth

Re: planning application for new development - sarah (21st Nov 2015 - 00:19:41) The issue around the schools is that in previous years they have been able to take a lot of children outside of catchment, however priority goes to those in the village at time of application. The waiting lists are mainly those out of catchment or people who have moved into the village after allocations have been made! I think we need to be more concerned about how the infrastructure of the village will cope. At times it is so busy with traffic it scares me!

Re: planning application for new development - Lips (21st Nov 2015 - 05:52:29) All those who liked Liphook village life, and those who have moved to Liphook village for rural living: Welcome to Liphook suburb Town. Just bear with the gridlock before you find no available parking spaces. If you have found a space, is it safe from the vandals and bandits? you know, it's not the quiet little village it used to be.

Re: planning application for new development - gareth (21st Nov 2015 - 18:50:38) I think the development looks alright. 36 homes look reasonable considering the size of the land. There'll be a children's playground and a little pond. I think we all want to have things stay the same in Liphook. But the only reason house prices are so crazy is there isn't enough demand. We need to build homes as a country.

Re: planning application for new development - Dave (21st Nov 2015 - 20:11:22) what a load of twaddle stop the influx of b-------dy immigrants and we would not need half so many houses being built. Keep Liphook for locals not yuppies and overseas families. (I am not racist). Just patriotic.

Re: planning application for new development - Ian (21st Nov 2015 - 22:03:49) Dave, you're probably not being racist, but youre not being a patriot either, just very unpleasant or naive

Re: planning application for new development - Dave (22nd Nov 2015 - 08:29:05) Neither! Only lived here for 50 years so I am actually also entitled to have an opinion.But at least I know what category you probably fall into.

Re: planning application for new development - Lips (22nd Nov 2015 - 09:28:22) Dave has a valid point, his character / manners should not become the subject for this chat thread. The excuse of \"building for locals\" is all too often used (abused) by developers who have a very narrow interest in the matter. There are ways to build units that will more specifically cater for local demand, have those been considered?

Re: planning application for new development - Ian (22nd Nov 2015 - 13:18:33) Like you neither and I've also lived here for a number of decades. However I'm not a narrow minded bigot intolerant of those who come from a different background to myself.

Re: planning application for new development - andy (22nd Nov 2015 - 14:46:41) what Dave is saying is partly right. The councils need to look at planning applications harder and perhaps refuse more. The local infrastructure is at melt down point, A relief road around the village instead of everything trying to cross the square. With all the infill building going on do we need the big developments that are being proposed. and don't even mention the shops

Re: planning application for new development - Lips (22nd Nov 2015 - 17:11:55) 'Ian' just lashed out at 'Dave', throwing what is intended to be abuse, calling 'Dave' a bigot and intolerant - because 'Dave' holds different opinions to those of 'Ian's'... Talkback at it's very best! Some people of PC opinions strongly believe they have the right to talk-down (or even attack) at those in minority opinions... This is how PC people marginalise the different, discourage real diversity and the freedom of opinions. How very distorted but not at all a rare. Totalitarian democracy, uniform diversity, aggressive tolerance...

Re: planning application for new development - Dave mcgrath (22nd Nov 2015 - 18:48:08) So you o are calling me a bigot IAN no name I am not responding to your comments save saying you obviously don't get the real point of my post. When the infrastructure breaks down very soon if Not already you yuppies will be the first ones to bleat! Incidentally Ian no name how many decades! You are obviously not a VILLGE person.

Re: planning application for new development - Greg (22nd Nov 2015 - 19:15:36) Sorry to bring this back to the original thread . What do we think of this development? Some of the comments so far about the development and not about the individuals ! Are : looks ok , nice pond , nice play area ... Let's looks at some of these. Why would you need to put a pond in ?, you want to go sailing, the developer likes ducks !! I think you will find that this pond is a large soak away, for the freshwater run off, so why do this !! the developer is being cheap maximising his profit.. a soak away will be a large hole that is full in the winter and empty in the summer. Rather than connecting it to the mains system. He would have to extend it and it's probably under the road .. Costly , or even worse he does not have the flow angle and he would have to put in a pump station. the play area !! Look at the noise report , the study reveals that it's over the max permitted but only but 1 to 2 db , not much you would think, what is one or two db between friends :-) db is a log scale so an increase in 3 db is 50 % increase. So the reason for the play area is they cannot build on that area without putting in an acoustic fence around the development, but that would cost money, So let's look at access, there is no footpath to the development so there is no way off the development without crossing the road, why would the not continue the foot path on the other side of Headley road to link to it , well that would be that they don't own those areas and they would need to buy this land from other residents and guess what , that would cost money.. So what do I think ? EHDC are totally focused on doubling the size of Liphook with this and other developments . And this will probably pass because of this. After all they don't invest in the place and they are getting increase council tax from it, it's a fantastic business model. I have lived in Liphook for a number of years, not born here, but have been in the area for going on for 20 years. I remember the dibate around the OSU site, and the focus was on how the community would benefit. I know we got sainsburys, and I know some of you out there don't like that, my opinion is it was better that what we had. However we also got the millennium green and centre. It was a nice trade off for the comuinity. So my question is how does the community benefit from all of the recent and proposed development ? I would like to state that I am not being a nimby here this development is no place near me nor would,it affect me. However if I was living in say passfield or other areas outside Liphook I would be very very concerned. The reason is simple the increase of the residents in Liphook will shrink the catchment areas for the schools, and I have looked at comments about Bohunt on this site, that won't agree with me but its a fantastic school both my kids went there and did well. By my reckoning it saved me 15 grand a year by not sending to private school. I also notice on the site the comments about the amount of estate agents in the village, through is the Sharks follow the bait, we are set for a massive increase I housing in Liphook. my big question is we know EHDC are making a fortune from us and so are the estate agents and developers, so what is the community getting out of it ? As stated above this is not just a Liphook issue, it includes the surrounding areas as well.

Re: planning application for new development - andy (22nd Nov 2015 - 19:51:00) So what Ian is saying is he is not local and has no intention in preserving the integrity of the village. this village needs to stop development and only be allowed sensible new builds in keeping with the village.

Re: planning application for new development - Jane Ives (23rd Nov 2015 - 08:53:26) It sounds like a few people here are really interested in how Liphook is developing and there are a lot of houses coming our way with planning permission already granted. The parish council have recently launched the start of the Neighbourhood Plan and have had a number of volunteers come forward who would like to be involved in the formulation of the plan. It would be ideal if this was representative of the whole community - old, young, families, single people, male, female - but at the moment it is skewed to the, let's say politely, more mature generation with very few females. It would involve attending meetings and doing some work over a period of time but, if there's enough people, you may only be needed for a short while to work on a particular piece of it. This is an ideal opportunity to get involved with the future of Liphook as, with a Neighbourhood Plan, the residents can really have their say in what they would like to see here in the future. Do please contact the Parish Office if you're interested either by email at council@bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk or call 01428 722988.

Re: planning application for new development - Ian (23rd Nov 2015 - 09:01:08) I'm intrigued Dave? What criteria would you set for people to be acceptable to move to Liphook? What would I need to do to be a VILLAGE PERSON then, For your information I have lived in Liphook since 1988 and before that all my life in Whitehill, I'm not what would traditionally be referred to as a yuppie so how would you define a yuppie. My wife was born overseas so presumably based on your original post, when we married you would have preferred she had not moved into the village and put additional strain on your infrastructure? Do you have a process in mind where "locals" such as yourself should have a vetting procedure to approve those wishing to move to Liphook? However, I am probably equally uncomfortable with the volume of new homes proposed for Liphook. However the problem lies with greedy landowners and developers, and a flawed planning process controlled by people who do not truly represent the local view, its certainly not down to so called yuppies or immigrants wanting to move into the area. On a final note it also somewhat amused me that in your original post you just used your first name but then seem to object to me doing the same, I'm sure there is a label for that but you can work that one out for yourself.

Re: planning application for new development - MH (23rd Nov 2015 - 13:43:41) This is all well and good and I have no reservations about the lack of school places for local residents as, has been mentioned, the catchment areas will decrease. My concern is the lack of wrap around nursery school provision. If Liphook is to attract and retain young families, which are the lifeblood of any area, where will the babies and toddlers go? Please let's not have a debate over the morality of whether mothers should stay at home as most people inhabit the real world.

Re: planning application for new development - Dave mcgrath (23rd Nov 2015 - 22:13:38) hi Ian no name not rising to your comments, made my point very well I think. I care deeply about the village and rest my case. Just one thing ,If you like new development so much might I respectfully suggest that you move to the new Eco town at Bordon.

Re: planning application for new development - Ian (24th Nov 2015 - 08:05:19) Dave, maybe you should read my post properly and you wouldd see I don't want the new development! And are you seriously suggesting I should "get out of town" because I don't agree with your post. I think our village can do without your support thnk you

Re: planning application for new development - Iwik61 (24th Nov 2015 - 08:23:00) Reply to last thread BORDON ECO TOWN is now called a GREENER VISION as the Eco BIT has gone out the window too expensive and money being spent on consultants

Re: planning application for new development - igs (24th Nov 2015 - 08:47:06) The case for less development in Liphook is very strong but has not been well made on this thread at all. A mature debate is needed to put the argument against further development forward. This will not be achieved by intolerant statements demanding the exclusion of outsiders by those who think that just because they have lived here a long time they are entitled to select who can and cannot move here. With the homes already granted and being built, the village infrastructure is already beginning to creak and unless the planners really start to consider the overall interests of the village and demand that developers invest in the infrastructure at the SAME TIME as they build the houses then we will simply find ourselves with hundreds of additional houses without any related services. We also need to be wary of token gestures such as those made by the owners of Bohunt Manor to justify their plans. We need meaningful investment that will create employment, recreational amenities such as swimming pool etc and road improvements and unless we get these things, paid for by the developers, then there should be a stop to any further consents.

Re: planning application for new development - nick (24th Nov 2015 - 17:41:03) Suggest some of you read the comments on the application its seems Highways have no objection The other one is from a member of the Public and it is interesting reading I asked a simple question and only a few of you answered it the rest as usual on this Talkback seem to like having a go at any comments that are made and not sticking to the question that was asked SIMPLE is it not

Re: planning application for new development - Dawn Hoskins (25th Nov 2015 - 09:31:55) With respect to all, until central government change statute and regulation - then the planning department of any authority (be it District council, County council or Parish Council) can ONLY decide a \'simple yes/no\' based on set PLANNING criteria. This means that NO joined up thinking is permitted. At all. Whatsoever. Planners are not allowed to make decisions based on whether we have enough school places, nurseries, dentists, doctors, buses, trains, sewage pipes, water pipes, high-speed broadband, piped gas or mains electricity.....or any other bit of important infrastructure that makes a village/town sustainable and successful. Central government have completely HAMSTRUNG every decision maker - as if any application is decided on grounds outside of the strict planning criteria - then they have acted illegally (and it will go to appeal). If you do not agree with approvals granted, do not blame the hamstrung decision makers, who know full well that Liphook\'s infrastructure is creaking - write to your MP and lobby parliament for a change by creating your own petition. It is pointless casting blame or insult to councillors who have no other option but to follow the rules. Until change comes \'from central government\' we can only look at applications and think....that looks nice -or- that is a complete disaster because of overcrowding, being out of keeping or being outside of the permitted development boundary (such as the National Park). This particular parcel of land looks nice, is not overcrowded, is within walking distance of schools is within the settlement boundary - will be accepted. Learn the rules - then you know how to fight.

Re: planning application for new development - Keith (25th Nov 2015 - 17:18:08) I rarely find myself agreeing with Dawn but on the significant parts of this argument she is completely right. Planners have to judge each application against strict criteria and they also have to judge each applicaton individually - so even if they know there is another development taking place or not enough school places or too few trains or whatever, they are not valid reasons under planning law to refuse the application. If you're really interested, get a copy of the PPG from the Department of Communities and Local Government and get a copy of the EHDC/SDNP joint core strategy and then see if you can find any paragraphs in there that this development breaches. If you can then be sure to write to the planning department and to your local councillors to let them know, but as Dawn correctly says, on this development I think you will struggle to find any (except possibly overdevelopment of the site but having looked at the plans I think you would struggle to win an argument to refuse on that point alone). It is pointless arguing about housing targets - they are set in the Joint Core Strategy, approved by a Govt Inspector and now can only go up, they can't go down

Re: planning application for new development - Lips (26th Nov 2015 - 05:59:27) Reading the posts above it seems we have no say, the developments will go ahead even if proven insufficient infrastructure or out of character. Until legislation is put to rights, I'd prefer let the village slowly suffocate and crumble for the duration, re-merging still as a village in the future - rather than becoming a second Bordon.

Re: planning application for new development - Lips (26th Nov 2015 - 07:27:57) That is to say: Let us NOT improve our infrastructure and services, thus become less attractive for aggressive development. Come back to improving once the legislation is fair and sensible.

Re: planning application for new development - Sarah Allen (26th Nov 2015 - 16:31:19) EHDC must be wanting all these extra houses for all the immigrants in Liphook. The village is just over running with immigrants, everywhere you look. I'm being sarcastic Dave. Are you for real? Most of us have immigrants of one kind of another in our heritage. Weather they immigrated a year ago or a hundred years ago. In my opinion, you could do with moving out of Liphook to help broaden your horizons and your small minded opinions.

Re: planning application for new development - dave mc grath (26th Nov 2015 - 17:48:04) Hi sarah first let me apologise for my 'small mindedness'. Obviously you are entitled to your opinion and i respect that, just as i am entitled to mine. By the way i have travelled abroad extensively abroad, so yes i have lived OUT of the village and experienced other places and cultures.I am not against immigration entirely, its just that in my small minded opinion liphooks infrastructure at present cannot cope with more houses and people, british or otherwise. This the same in a lot of villages our size, As it is there is not enough help for local young people that are trying to buy and get one step on the property ladder.There was no need to be so personal i took your point and respected it.Incidentally, weather should be spelt whether in your post,i learned that when i was travelling, no offence meant.

Re: planning application for new development - Lips (26th Nov 2015 - 20:44:00) In my opinion, all migrants are very welcome, as long as: They are genuinely here to uphold and actively contribute to what was here before their arrival. They must not become a burden or impose their 'other ways' on others. They must not use their 'other ways' as excuses out of doing their bit. They must prove their genuine status and repeatedly be tested (yes) on their merits - or else they should not be here. Dignity, generosity & tolerance as a REWARD for proven ongoing integration efforts, sadly the other way around was abused and had failed.

Re: planning application for new development - Simon (26th Nov 2015 - 22:15:27) I just don't understand how houses keeping going up and yet they expect to use the same schools etc. I would hate to be a teacher knowing that your soon going to be responsible for over 40 kids in one class, it's going that way. Roads will be car parks in the mornings. (Already are) If you catch a train to work, you can 100% be sure that they will just park on your driveway to walk up to the station since Tower road and Canada way are already full!!!! I'm looking forward to moving out to be honest.

Re: planning application for new development - liz (27th Nov 2015 - 10:37:04) I think you will find a substantial proportion of newcomers to Liphook are escapees from London or its suburbs looking to 'Escape To The Country' as a better environment for their kids. Ironically, as a result, Liphook has become a small town and lost much of its individuality. With the requests for town facilities such as a swimming pool and cinema plus further housing development it can only get worse. Growth is inevitable and as a country we do need more housing but Liphook seems to have grown disproportionately, starting with the Sainsbury's development and no doubt helped by the Hindhead tunnel. (For the record I think Sainsbury's was built in the wrong place and spoilt the centre of the village, while I think the tunnel was much needed). Liphook now needs time to adjust to its new scale, upgrade infrastructure and regain some of its community feel before even more houses are built. However I realise this is not likely to happen. However there has been a huge amount of work on our Local Plan and hopefully planners will be able to take this into account when making decisions.

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