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S.O.S Anchor tree - Russ Ellis (19th Oct 2015 - 18:35:45) Just heard our ancient Chestnut tree in the middle of the conservation square is going to be cut down in 5 days ( not sure when the 5 days starts from) with out any consultation with the parish council or the residents of Liphook. There may be a way of saving it but unless we all contact EHDC immediately the tree will be down before we can discuss it. This tree has played a huge part of Liphook history and surly there should be far more consultation by more than one expert to at least save the trunk which is already sprouting new branches.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Cebe (19th Oct 2015 - 20:32:27) Is the centre of Liphook officially a Conservation Area?The EHDC website 'Trees within Conservation Areas' states 'Anyone proposing to carry out works to trees in a Conservation Areas is required to give 6 weeks written notice by making a planning application......' Suggest we all contact EHDC very swiftly.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Rachel (19th Oct 2015 - 21:12:35) Oh my goodness!!!! Right, I will be there to chain myself to the tree! Anyone else with me? x

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane (19th Oct 2015 - 21:38:18) Russ Why do they want to fell the tree and who is it that wants the tree down. Carnival without the tree would be weird! Thank you for alerting everyone about this.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (19th Oct 2015 - 21:57:08) This is disgusting if true. I am finding this hard to take in. Perhaps we should stage a protest and invite the tv media. I would be there as I am sure many more would be. It's no good just talking as that takes too long. How do you know this?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jonathan (19th Oct 2015 - 22:42:35) Looking at the East Hants site - easthants.gov.uk/planning/trees - it seems that while there is no specific TPO in force, it is within a conservation area and do six weeks notice to the council would be required. I can't trawl through the planning site right now, but it might be worth contacting the people listed on that page wuth the details of the info you have.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jonathan (19th Oct 2015 - 23:00:54) Managed to have a look at planning site, and there is nothing obvious about permission to fell that tree. (Sorry about iPhone typing!)

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - helen (19th Oct 2015 - 23:21:35) I think that for it to be felled so quickly it must have been classified as dangerous, there must have been a tree report made so the best person to contact would be the tree officers in the heritage dept at EHDC. Someone must have reported the tree.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - N Parker (20th Oct 2015 - 05:00:54) You said that you heard but who is actually going to do the deed? If the Anchor themselves then shame on them!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lips (20th Oct 2015 - 06:11:45) Shocking!! This preservation law is so easily distorted and abused. Nuisance trees are perfectly protected by it, whilst magnificently important specimen trees like the Anchor chestnut can be taken down so swiftly and easily...

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - grenouf (20th Oct 2015 - 07:27:07) A few weeks ago a large branch broke of the tree due to rot , over the years the wall has been built up as the tree goes to pavement level I presume the rot is spreading plus the tree lean more than ever The tree has been there for 200 years so it is liphooks central focal point I would hope another tree is replanted but sadly trees do not last for ever this happen to a horse chesnut at a garden i work the tree looked fine went in one week snapped at ground level no earning, you dont want this to happen in the square? saying this, if the tree comes down I would like to get some timber to make momento for the heritage centre etc If dangerous then we dont want it falling on somebody but it it can be saved good

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - anon (20th Oct 2015 - 07:57:28) For goodness sake. The tree is dying/half dead! You'd all soon complain when it topples over and kills someone! Everytime we drive past it, my OH says that tree will cause a serious injury before long. And he's an experienced Tree surgeon!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Paul Robinson (20th Oct 2015 - 08:18:09) My understanding is that the state of the tree was revealed when a large limb was broken of it by a passing lorry. Casual observers will note that it has developed a bit of a lean. The tree has been examined by arboreal experts from E.H.D.C. who have recommended the removal of the tree. As it is an amenity tree in a conservation area I am sure that this decision was not taken lightly and the work necessary will be in the interest of public safety. It is to be hoped that after removal the Anchor owners will replace it with another tree and sort out the stone collar that may have contributed to the eventual rot of the base of the tree. Paul Robinson

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 08:21:33) I'm sure this tree can be saved even if reduced as was done several years ago. It is a disgrace if it is cut down completely - are people generally aware in the village of what is happening? Some people don't care of course - it just makes more room for cars. Greene King own the Anchor and IF they are responsible it should be made quite clear that they are responsible for cutting down the village's iconic tree.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 08:50:44) Paul I sincerely hope you are right and that the tree will be replaced. Perhaps we need a village campaign to make sure that happens?!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - P Weyland (20th Oct 2015 - 08:51:38) Look on the bright side - at least the Carnival Bonfire is going to be absolutely banging!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (20th Oct 2015 - 08:57:16) This is terribly sad, and yes a large limb came down a few weeks ago. It was then inspected by East Hampshire District Council arboricultural specialists. I haven't seen the full report but the following comment was made: "...it is considered to be in a potentially dangerous condition and we have, therefore, given permission for it to be removed under the dead/dangerous exception of the Conservation Area legislation." The question over when has not been answered exactly other than a 5 day notice has been given. Will post again when any other information is given.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 09:07:29) I don't think I can face the Carnival if the tree is not still standing!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Chris (20th Oct 2015 - 09:10:37) terrible shame but if HAS to be removed, at least replace it with something of beauty that will enhance the look of the Square, not like the shambolic removal of the cobble stones and replaced with a mini M25 tarmac

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Ian (20th Oct 2015 - 10:06:17) A terrible shame but let's be sensible about this. Trees do not live forever and can you imagine the absolute horror if it came down and killed some people. Just imagine if it came down on one of the school bus's full of kids. It will be the end of an era and the Square will be totally transformed, very very sad. But nothing stays the same forever as Liphook is finding out in so many ways at the moment. Shame.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Phelim (20th Oct 2015 - 10:10:26) My mum went into the Council offices and she was told that the search is on to find a replacement - so The Square will not be treeless for long. As for the wall causing problems - I went to school in the Village, including the playgroup at the Methodist church. I can remember the people at the Anchor watering the tree on a regular, even weekly, basis but haven't seen this happen in years. When the tree is replaced then whose responsibility the care of the tree is must be sorted, especially if it is officially on Royal Anchor property, so that the tree is given the best chance to live.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 10:23:59) A new tree would be the solution. I understand chestnuts are vulnerable to disease at present but am certainly no expert. So how about suggestions to enhance The Square? Something preferably native, of some (eventual) stature but not too disease prone?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Russ Ellis (20th Oct 2015 - 10:39:43) Wow fantastic response. Yes it is urgent to get a stay of complete execution. We know it is rotting so would you after 300yrs but surly we could save the trunk by cutting all the big branches off that are dangerous then the trunk would spout and at lest we would still have our tree for a good many more years. Yes by all means make it safe.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 11:42:38) Russ I don't know if what you suggest is feasible but the tree had a VERY severe prune many years ago and recovered. I think it needs to be looked into. Hopefully the 'cut down' option has not been chosen just because it is the cheapest. If not then we need something (potentially) substantial to replace it - not a birch tree or similar. The existing birches in The Square area are fine but a focal point is needed outside the Anchor to retain the character of the area.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Phil (20th Oct 2015 - 13:53:32) Disappointing news but sounds as if a pragmatic decision to remove has been made. I wonder if the replacement should be a maple? I say this having seen the maples along the A3 turning red over recent weeks - a possible link to another part of Liphook heritage?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 15:28:07) I still think it would be nice to have a native tree. There is a native Field maple but it is a bit dull. Another horse chestnut would be ideal in my view but I'm not sure how prone to disease they are nowadays.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lips (20th Oct 2015 - 16:14:32) Any expert will find some disease to which any tree species is prone. This is definitely an important and iconic tree, the essence of Liphook! There may be the VERY remote risk of damage / harm but roads and cars are far more dangerous and harmful, remove them? Such trees, elsewhere receive remedial / palliative care or some sort of mitigation. In my opinion, this tree is worth keeping even if a hollow trunk with limbs supported by stilts, wounds dressed as done where owners care. We need experts on our side, obviously those experts (?) who were involved opted for a cheap and simple total removal. Goodness knows what else might they be motivated by. Photo example: fromestandard.co.uk/Story-ancient-trees-captured-new-book

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (20th Oct 2015 - 16:51:50) There is a press release from EHDC regarding the tree on the parish council website. bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Dangerous-Liphook-Tree-to-be-Removed.pdf Dangerous Liphook tree to be removed A prominent tree in Liphook will be removed after a large overhanging branch dropped on to a road. East Hampshire District Council arboricultural officers agree the tree, a horse chestnut outside the Royal Anchor pub, is in a potentially dangerous state and have raised no objection to its removal. Greene King, the owners of the pub, want to remove the tree to protect the public. Following inspection, the tree, which leans over The Square, was found to be hollow in places and infected with a damaging fungus. Several weeks ago a 30cm diameter branch broke from the tree and fell to the road near a bus stop and there is concern for the public safety should it happen again. EHDC arboricultural officers will discuss the question of replacing the tree with the owners. EHDC Councillor for Liphook, Bill Mouland, said: “The advice of the experts is to remove the tree. The branch that fell down a few weeks ago was very large and could have caused serious injury to anyone underneath. “We can’t allow an unsafe tree to remain in such a prominent location where people regularly gather.” CONTACT: Will Parsons, EHDC Communications Officer, 01730 234030

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - H (20th Oct 2015 - 16:55:56) Gosh, everyone's an expert aren't they! If a fully qualified Tree Surgeon/Arborist has said the tree is dangerous, it's dangerous! If you don't work in that area then I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. Chain yourself to it if you so wish, but it's a complex business ..not just someone standing there looking at it saying yeah it's dangerous. Yes it's a shame and just like the Willows, everything has a shelf life, you can only paper over the cracks for so long. Unless of course you are happy to live with a potential accident waiting to happen and it will!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (20th Oct 2015 - 17:14:50) H Nobody has said that the tree is not dangerous. Some of us have just asked of the situation can be rectified without total removal of the tree although this seems unlikely. A few years ago I asked three different (qualified) tree surgeons about trees on my property and got three different answers regarding possible solutions. (I am not making this up.)

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - suzanne (20th Oct 2015 - 18:48:27) Should we trust the council and the owners of the Anchor! I for one wouldn't. I think a second opinion should be sort asap. If Russ could arrange a tree specialist I would be happy to contribute. Is it perhaps just for a widening scheme that has been rumoured for some time. I am furious that this magnificent part of our history is condemned so quickly. Anyone who thinks it's just a tree that's dangerous perhaps hasn't grown up in liphook with generations before them too. Russ if you get my email from the editor I would be happy to help. Come on everyone save this tree from this fate. Besides I don't think a branch just fell off but was hit by a lorry and quite probably a sainsburys lorry.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - David W. (20th Oct 2015 - 18:53:16) A tree is a living thing and like everything else that lives on this planet has a defined life span. The life span may be long in comparison to our lives as homo sapiens and some trees have a life span measured in hundreds of years, dependant on the species. Bottom line is - you can't beat the inbuilt programme and anyone who thinks otherwise is not thinking logically. Sorry it's got to go though.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - David jones (20th Oct 2015 - 19:04:50) Well if they cut it down I will never use that place again. It sounds like Liphook council all over again!!!!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Dawn Hoskins (20th Oct 2015 - 20:58:35) OMG are the Parish Council going to get the blame for this as well!!!!!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (20th Oct 2015 - 22:24:08) Dawn, if you are on the local council then expect a backlash over this action and don't whinge. The council works for us as we pay the wages through our taxes. They should have respect and understand that some things are important to the people that live under the rule of EHDC. Some things are worth discussing properly with an open forum and if the council had done this they would have realised that this isn't just a tree but part of our heritage. My mother who is nearly 90 and a resident of liphook for most of her life is extremely upset at this news. If she could leave her home to protest I am sure she would. Your one liner is frankly an insult to the people who care.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - david (20th Oct 2015 - 22:36:10) Surely in this day and age some sort of metal bands could added to the tree to help surport it if its in such a bad way I have a horse chestnut tre myself in my garden and nealy every year something falls off im afraid that the main reason for chopping it down will be health & safety with people frightened of being sued they should stand up against this .The tree should stay and the council and green king should go.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Bob (20th Oct 2015 - 22:51:37) Can we just be clear that this action is being taken by East Hants District Council and NOT the parish council (Dawn was on the parish council previously).

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (21st Oct 2015 - 07:49:08) Although I was very much in the 'save the tree' camp and with a deep distrust of some arboricultural specialists I must say that even to the untrained eye the tree does now appear to be leaning at quite a severe angle. I suppose we must try and make sure that the tree is replaced - and with a decent part grown specimen not a tiny sapling. I'm sure Greene King would be quite happy to put their hands in their pockets to save the look of our village?!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lips (21st Oct 2015 - 08:33:25) Factually: The tree had not met any such 'definite programmed lifespan' if indeed any such time exists - it had met a lorry instead. Lorries are far more dangerous than trees, let he "caring" council stick their teeth into that fact! Until they do that, they can focus on saving our chestnut.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Kayleigh (21st Oct 2015 - 09:45:49) This is rather amusing, seriously residents of liphook, the tree is unsafe! Anyone can see that! I'm sure if the tree were to fall on one of you or your family you would be first to moan about it, seeing as that's what you all seem to do, and then the council would be in the wrong for not dealing with it! yes the tree is part of liphook but unfortunately things don't last forever, that includes trees, buildings etc, look at the bigger picture for crying out loud! All for it being removed and sooner rather than later, I would hate to see it cause injury to anyone but that's not priority here clearly....

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Dawn Hoskins (21st Oct 2015 - 09:49:08) Suzanne, I am not on the local parish council, and in fact if you put your thinking hat on you will realise that the local council have NOTHING to do with this - so should quite rightly NOT expect a backlash over it from local people who should know better. All the local parish councillors do indeed work very hard for you, and if locals would begin again to attend meetings you would see this, however Suzanne you are mistaken if you think you (or any other tax payer) is paying their wages. I agree that most things are worth discussing properly. This includes getting your facts right, not 'firing-off on' ASSUMPTIONS you have made or RUMOURS you have heard - and reading information properly. Your (more than) one liner is frankly an insult to the people who know WHO cares and WHO is responsible. BTW feel free to protest, in Petersfield where the EHDC offices are.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Dawn Hoskins (21st Oct 2015 - 09:56:05) LOL - Kayleigh have you read the 'Willows' thread. You ask too much I fear!!!!!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (21st Oct 2015 - 09:59:43) .. If it fell on me I doubt I would be moaning about anything!!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Kayleigh (21st Oct 2015 - 10:04:43) I just can't believe some peoples comments on here I really can't Dawn, That's on most threads! Some people seem to expect miracles!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Bob (21st Oct 2015 - 10:31:12) I've heard the tree is coming down this Friday before the carnival.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lips (21st Oct 2015 - 10:43:23) "unfortunately things don't last forever": There is no godly fortune here that is not worth put right. Such an important tree deserves preservation efforts to help it last longer even if they subsequently fail. This is why it's destiny ought to be decided on the advise of tree PRESERVATION experts, not chainsaw chum arborists.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (21st Oct 2015 - 11:03:57) All, there are a couple of press releases on the parish council website which I would like to draw your attention to. Please note that this action is being taken by East Hampshire District Council along with the Greene King Brewery. Most importantly, please read the second statement regarding closure of The Square this coming Friday. Press-Statement-on-Tree-in-The-Square.pdf Portsmouth-Road-Liphhook-21-day-notice.pdf

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (21st Oct 2015 - 11:34:53) Thanks Jane. Do we have any idea of the times the road will be closed? Greene King do seem willing to help with a replacement tree which is good. My vote would still be for another Horse Chestnut if possible to retain the look.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (21st Oct 2015 - 11:34:53) I have just spoken to Will who did the press release and the story is as follows: Greene King approached the council and said that a branch had fallen from the tree (I believe a lorry actually hit it) and said that they considered the tree to be in a dangerous condition and asked if they could chop it down as it was in a conservation area. The council went out with their specialist and said that it was up to them either way whether to keep it or chop it down. The council didn't tell them they had to. Will also understands that the council are in talks with the brewery about replacing the tree. So Greene King has the trees fate in it's hands and I doubt it can be stopped but he did say that the brewery have been contacted by many concerned Liphook residents and their number is 01284 763222. Very sad in my opinion and Dawn and Kayleigh I wont even waste my time responding to you.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Editor (21st Oct 2015 - 11:36:23) Hi Jane, the diversion route is around 13 miles long. Can you confirm that BOTH roundabouts at either end of the closure are being completely closed ? Will there be access at all to Longmoor Road from Liphook Square ? Will there be access to B2070 (Portsmouth Road) from Liphook Square ? Thanks

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Sam (21st Oct 2015 - 11:52:30) The Road directly opposite the tree will be closed from 9:30am - 4:00pm on Friday 23rd October.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - RT (21st Oct 2015 - 12:03:03) Changing the subject somewhat, I wonder whether the chestnut tree was planted to commemorate something in particular. Today is the 210th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805 and you have a maritime link to the Royal Anchor. Then there is Waterloo in 1815 and the accession to the throne by George IV in 1820, William IV (the 'Sailor King') in 1830 or even Queen Victoria in 1837.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (21st Oct 2015 - 12:39:38) Just to correct an earlier posting, the road is closed from 9.30am - 3pm (not 4pm). I have just spoken to Hampshire Highways regarding the closure as it seems that all 3 roundabouts are affected. I think it should just be the roundabout at the junction of Longmoor/Headley/London Roads and the roundabout at the junction of The Square/Portsmouth Road. They have raised an enquiry and will let me know as soon as possible. I will confirm as soon as I know, but it would be wise to assume that The Square is going to be fairly chaotic on Friday.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Brian (21st Oct 2015 - 12:55:07) I love the fact that Hampshire County Council in their road closure notice can't spell Haslemere !

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (21st Oct 2015 - 13:00:24) I have just spoken to Paolo at Greene King who explained to me the position of the tree and whilst they could have left the felling until after the carnival but wouldn't be held responsible if the tree fell and injured anyone. It does appear that they have really investigated the health of the tree and as the owner do not want the liability of it. They are in talks with the council and will be replacing it. This is obviously very sad but inevitable that it will be felled on Friday.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Helen (21st Oct 2015 - 14:30:50) It will be a sad day to see this tree felled so think everyone should get out there and take photos of it before it goes, get creative or just get a beautiful shot and bring your images to us for printing....maybe we could run a photo competition and sell the final winning photo with profits going towards our new village tree or Liphook in Bloom? If anyone has any ideas please get in touch with me at PRC office@prcdigital.co.uk

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (21st Oct 2015 - 15:46:40) Update on road closure on Friday The 3 roundabouts in the centre of the village will all be open, it will just be the stretch of road through The Square in front of The Royal Anchor which will be closed.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Dawn Hoskins (21st Oct 2015 - 15:52:35) Suzanne, have I said something untrue? I was responding to people who should know better trying to blame the Parish Council for something completely outside their remit or control. Sorry if you find it upsetting that people stand up for our hardworking Parish Councillors when they are getting slagged off for things that have nothing to do with them. You don't have to waste your time responding if you don't want to, but I will try to correct people's misconceptions whenever I see them. You're welcome.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (21st Oct 2015 - 16:12:13) Please try not to bring arguments about the Parish Council into yet another thread! If we don't decide what kind of tree we want and let GK know it will be decided for us and you'll probably get a holly bush or something. (They could rename the Anchor I suppose!)

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (21st Oct 2015 - 16:42:13) Dawn, this is not about you so please finish your ridiculous threads trying to get everyone to appreciate how hard you all work. This was about a tree that people genuinely cared about and will be sad and shocked to see the square without it. Liz, I agree totally. Possibly another chestnut or maple for future generations to appreciate but not an oak as I am sure they may condemn it for unsafe acorns lol.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Natalie (21st Oct 2015 - 16:46:43) Well, This is just so so so sad, it is a shame when any tree has to be felled and I for one will probably cry. Whilst that might seem over dramatic to some of you thats fine but the tree holds many happy memories for lots of people in and from the village. It was not so many years ago the horse chestnut that stood outside the old post office was felled and whilst the flower bed is gorgeous the street just doesn't feel the same anymore. Don't get me wrong I'm happy that things change, after it all it's one thing we can all be sure of in life, however I would definitely like to see another horse chestnut planted in the same spot. Liphook is quickly becoming a very generic shade of beige with all its new builds and estate agents. To take away something that helps identify liphook is shameful if its not replaced with something equally grand. I'm not going to talk about the parish council because honestly what's the point? And as for Greene King well you only have to take one look at the Anchor and that says it all. I shall leave you with this.... Imagine if trees gave off wifi signals, we would be planting them all over the place and probably save the planet too.........Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (21st Oct 2015 - 16:55:04) The Canadian connection is great but we have so many commoratives in Liphook already. It would be good to record a different part of Liphook's history (- i.e. its iconic chestnut!) An oak would be OK I suppose with the naval connections...

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lizzy (21st Oct 2015 - 17:38:17) Every cloud. ...... It's sad that the tree outside The Anchor has to come down, but, would this not be a golden opportunity to utilise the space to widen the road between the two roundabouts in the square to 3 lanes. It would be a very inexpensive way to ease the ever increasing traffic congestion in the square and to no-one's disadvantage (just a little less car parking space and a few less tables at the Anchor).

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Anon (21st Oct 2015 - 18:14:49) Does anyone know if the Stagecoach 13 bus service will still be operating?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lips (21st Oct 2015 - 18:29:07) I totally agree the village is becoming a generic beige suburb, visually and socially. Changes don't have to take away the soul of the community. I totally disagree altering the roundabout will allow long-term traffic relief. It would be an expensive short term exercise as everywhere else, bigger roads beckon more traffic. Only traffic restrictions e.g. congestion zones, unidirectional and speed calming work long term. Not just the future tree species is important; the SIZE of the replacement tree is important crucial. In buying trees size is price. Lets hope the new tree will be more than a twiggy seedling.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Heather L (21st Oct 2015 - 19:01:19) Great post from PRC regarding photographing the tree and using the photos to raise money ( possibly towards a new tree). Is there anyone from the Liphook Heritage like Adrian Bird who will record the before/ after and context for Liphook's history? I agree it's iconic but my kids pass beneath it regularly even on windy days and when lorries go past and that's an important consideration too.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - suzanne (21st Oct 2015 - 19:23:29) Lizzy. You surely can't be serious. Have you not read the other threads.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (21st Oct 2015 - 19:57:11) Don't be daft Lizzy ( assuming this is not a wind up!) what's going to happen when the three lanes meet the roundabouts! It will make no difference to the speed the traffic can pass through.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Dawn Hoskins (21st Oct 2015 - 21:03:46) I was shocked today to see that the pavements are all open underneath, with all the kids waiting at the bus stop. I would have thought that if it was a danger they would close the pavements off? I know they have to wait for a road closure request to go through but if they are cutting it because it is dangerous now - then surely the precautionary principle should apply. I would take a wide berth. On another note, it would be a great idea if the wood could be turned into items that local people could buy. Maybe a little plaque could be adhered to say the item has been made of this historic tree?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lizzy (21st Oct 2015 - 21:33:16) Yes, I am serious. Yes, I have read the other comments on this thread. No, I'm not daft and no, this is not a wind up. I very rarely make comments on this site, but, I do read them. I live in Haslemere (Hazlemere-joke) Road and know that the village is very quickly becoming more congested and that this concerning us all. It just seems to me, an opportunity to look at any possibilities, using more available space, to relieve further congestion, especially when the development of x houses at Silent Garden become occupied. EHDC could, maybe, think about compulsory purchase of land from Greene King - whatever - I just thought it an opportunity to plan for the future - lateral thinking!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Freya (21st Oct 2015 - 22:55:34) Are you volunteering to dig the tree roots up then Lizzy ? The tree has been there 200 plus years. There will be a long tangled mess of tree roots under the pavements and road.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Rebekah (22nd Oct 2015 - 01:39:18) I am so sad that the tree has to come down and will certainly miss is tremendously. If it does need to come down and nothing can be done to preserve it then I think it's a wonderful idea to use some of it to make commemorative pieces around the village such as seating?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - A (22nd Oct 2015 - 07:12:42) How can you carve a seat out of rotten wood? I guess it depends how much is rotten

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (22nd Oct 2015 - 08:15:24) Lizzy I wasn't intending to be mean but your suggestion really does not make any sense. Putting three lanes through the square will make no difference because of the complicated junctions at either end. Also some of us in Liphook actually care what the street scene looks like - bulldozing the centre of Liphook for the convenience of Haslemere (in fact any) drivers is a bit drastic!.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (22nd Oct 2015 - 08:17:41) I posted a press release yesterday to this thread regarding the possible use of the wood. Please see below text, or go to the front page of the parish council website to see all the press releases regarding the tree, including those from EHDC who have authorised/requested this work. 21/10/2015 Press Statement Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council have been informed by Hampshire County Council that The Square will be closed this coming Friday 23rd October, 9.30am to 3pm, in order to fell the Horse Chestnut tree outside The Royal Anchor (notice issued separately on the Parish Council website). The Parish Council are greatly saddened at the loss to the landscape of The Square of such an iconic tree that has stood for so many years. This work has been expedited because of Liphook Carnival taking place this coming Saturday as both the Parish Council and Greene King were concerned about the safety of the public, particularly as the tree has developed a considerable lean into The Square. We have been approached by Greene King Brewery who are keen to work with us regarding the species of replacement tree and we would welcome input from members of the public. Consideration is also being given by Greene King to the possibility of using wood salvaged to make something for the village and we will keep the public informed as to progress on this.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (22nd Oct 2015 - 09:13:25) Jane Do you know who we should speak to at Greene King regarding our views on a replacement tree?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (22nd Oct 2015 - 13:34:33) Speak to Paolo at Greene King their number is 01284 763222, and perhaps suggest a mature replacement, as I think it was Liz who said "not a twig".

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Rachel (22nd Oct 2015 - 14:09:53) The reason the pavement is so wide outside the flower/bike shop, is because 20 years ago there WAS a wider road with another lane, but it didn't work very well so that explains the wide pavement!!!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lisa (22nd Oct 2015 - 14:19:50) As an alternative to the tree replacement, see my post in the 'Tree Suggestion' post. Thoughts?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (22nd Oct 2015 - 15:18:28) Rachel The Square was wider before they put the cobblestones in etc, but I am sure there was not third lane - except perhaps as part of the roadworks.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (22nd Oct 2015 - 16:04:18) Liz, Suzanne I'm currently talking to Greene King about a replacement tree as they are keen to work with the community and the parish council. I would suggest holding fire for now in making direct contact as there will be work involved in repairing the site before a new tree can be planted. I am in conversation with Greene King and will keep everyone updated as soon as there is news and we can sort out how people can get involved. The parish council are also talking to them about using the wood from the tree to make something for the village. Again, this is in hand and once we know how much of the wood is of use, decisions can be made as to what to do.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Suzanne (22nd Oct 2015 - 16:19:54) Thank you for letting us know Jane.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - kim (22nd Oct 2015 - 16:36:04) What's going to happen to the tree's stone surround? Is it staying or will it be removed to enable easier removal of the stump and roots?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - roo (22nd Oct 2015 - 16:52:37) Obviously lizzie has not lived in the village long because she would know that the square was narrowed after the bypass was opened in 1994 to calm the traffic through the village and make the centre of the village safer for pedestrians

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - S (22nd Oct 2015 - 18:44:25) Suggestion: Last minute Carnival float submission by the Royal Anchor: lap of glory for the Liphook horse chestnut tree. Could rig the tree once it's down onto a trailer, surround it with old pictures of it over the years, flowers, fairy lights, give the tree a proper send off and the chance for the whole town to say good bye and give it a cheer?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jaimie (22nd Oct 2015 - 19:54:16) A toast to Liphook\'s famous tree with three good friends!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - symone (22nd Oct 2015 - 20:27:10) if they are taking the tree maybe think about putting an oak its a great english tree and the anchor needs somthing

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - gary renouf (22nd Oct 2015 - 20:51:22) have spoken to greene king about obtaining wood to make something from awaiting call back from area/ pub manager gpr woodturning portsmouth road liphook

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Natalie (23rd Oct 2015 - 10:25:28) Great picture Jaimie. I think the 4 of you should be given the honour of planting a new tree.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Phelim (23rd Oct 2015 - 14:27:24) I will try and post a picture that my mum has taken today of the hollow trunk. Yes, there is bark and a bit of sap wood - but the heart is gone. The picture will speak for itself, the tree had to come down for the safety of the public.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - tom (23rd Oct 2015 - 15:09:39) I think the block on the right was there when they planted it

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (23rd Oct 2015 - 15:11:08) I know it had to come down ..but its very,very sad. Felt really quite miserable this morning when we drove past it for the last time!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Ed (23rd Oct 2015 - 15:23:20) Just heard that a tunnel has been found under the tree, nobody is allowed into it until the local archaeological society representative and inspector of mines can declare it safe. Perhaps the tree was always hollow for access to the tunnel. It leads north towards the Green Dragon. This could lead to further road closures until the road has been declared safe by the council.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (23rd Oct 2015 - 15:34:38) Wow! Thanks Ed, that's cheered me up! There was always a story of a tunnel between the Anchor and what is now Lloyds Bank. It was never found - perhaps looking in the wrong place!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Editor (23rd Oct 2015 - 15:37:32) Re: Bramshott - exaxis (12th Nov 2004 22:30:56) The tunnels referred to used to form a triangle under what is now the roundabout. From Blacksmiths (estate agents) to the Blue Anchor (hungry horse/royal anchor) and terminated in Ship house (Lloyds bank). Ship house was where the customs men brought contraband taken from smugglers at the coast. It seems Liphook liked to redistribute this in their own fashion.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (23rd Oct 2015 - 15:42:57) Is the Square open or staying shut?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - mary smith (23rd Oct 2015 - 16:48:51) This has been a great day for myself and im sure for some others This tree has been a sore sight for my eyes for the last 15 years of my time living in liphook. Maybe we can turn the stone circle into a massive ashtray for the heavy smokers from the hungry horse

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Editor (23rd Oct 2015 - 17:34:25) A couple of pics showing the removal of the tree and how rotten the inside of it was.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Jane Ives (23rd Oct 2015 - 17:34:54) All, I met the Property Surveyor from Greene King this afternoon and he informed me of the following. Firstly, Greene King arranged for the contractors to do a load bearing test on the tree this morning and it proved that the roots were very unstable and therefore total removal had to go ahead as planned. An arboricultural specialist was also requested to be on site and it seems that the soil collar that was placed around the trunk of the tree many decades ago caused the problem. The trunk has also been filled with concrete on various occasions so the base and roots have not been removed today. Greene King are going to have to come back to site and use a digger to remove the rest in a few weeks time. (I'm a bit puzzled about rumours of a tunnel being found as I don't believe ground was broken because of the above?? However, I could be wrong). The wood is all going to be stored at The Anchor for now. Greene King have got some ideas about making something for the village and would like to work with the community on this. They would like to liaise through the parish council so they have one point of contact. They have also suggested that they would like to take some advice from the arboricultural specialist who was there today about what tree would be suitable for that location. They are then likely to come back with a number of options and ask the community to vote on what they would like and involve the local schools too. It does look awfully bare up at The Square now, but it was lovely to see so many people out taking photographs and watching a piece of history unfold (brought a tear to my eye actually!). The main contractor there said to me that he was really touched to see the children walking past the tree on the way to school this morning and all wanting to put their hand on it to say a fond farewell.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lizzy (23rd Oct 2015 - 18:02:40) Mary Smith, Gosh, I don't know how you dare make such comments on Liphook Talkback. You know that you are at very great risk of upsetting the good people of Liphook. Roo, In 1994, when "the square was narrowed etc. to make the village safer for pedestrians", my son was 24 yrs old and had been through the education system in Liphook. So, Yep, I've been around for quite a while. It does seem now that traffic through the square is on the increase and some drivers (can't possibly be locals) do not understand the principal of " courtesy" crossing, of which there are several in this area of the square and roads leading into it. So, Roo, how about utilising the newly discovered tunnel system under the square as pedestrian underpasses? What do you think?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (23rd Oct 2015 - 19:54:48) Oops! Shame about the tunnel! I thought Ed was the Editor whoops normally pretty sound! Nope, ed is not editor.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - A (24th Oct 2015 - 06:38:41) Lips et all are unsurprisingly quiet. I wonder why ? Probably because it's been PROVEN that the tree WAS rotten. No way you could have patched that up ! As I said ...leave the professionals to it. Time to move on ! Hats off to Greene King for all they've done and I hope everyone has a great carnival 2016!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Phelim (24th Oct 2015 - 11:07:12) Re the size of the road in the Square. Firstly the area by the bollards outside the flower shop and cycle shop is double yellow lines and as such is not a parking bay but for deliveries only. Secondly, those who remember when we had the A3 going through the village will know we had 3 roundabouts in The Square, the nickname for the village with CBers was "double donuts". These were removed when the by-pass was actually built. The change in direction of the road in the Longmoor Road, with the removal of a building when Bohunt School was opened but the flower beds did not appear until about 2 years after the by-pass opened. People asked what would happen when the by-pass had to close, would traffic be stymied by The Square being narrower, only to be assured that the road through Liphook would "never get that busy again". Then there was a lorry fire and the Square was jammed with traffic (and this before the current high usage) - seems that the lesson was not learnt by the builders of the tunnel. But now the tree has gone - could we see a Christmas tree there for the Celebrations?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Editor (25th Oct 2015 - 08:03:16) 1915 postcard for sale in Australia shows the magnificent Chestnut tree before the stone collar 'of death' (?) was built around it.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Huw (25th Oct 2015 - 11:11:27) Thanks for that nugget of information Phelim, I used to drive though liphook regularly on my way to the Isle of Wight, but I cannot for the life of me remember the road layout Intriguing story about the tunnels as well somewhere on this thread Nice to see some positive comments apearing Great idea about a Xmas tree as well H

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Terry (28th Oct 2015 - 14:46:16) Editor. Re your 1915 dated postcard of the Anchor showing a lack of any stonework. I own various post-cards and copies of cards featuring the Anchor over a period of time, specifically I have two post-marked 1905, both clearly identical photo's excepting one is 'hand coloured' and the other is an 'as original' photo print, this one, the original photo print, shows a stone surround comprised of two large stones of maybe 24 inches overall height, the 'hand-coloured' one shows no stone surround at the base of the chestnut, it had been painted out! Others I have, some with postmarks of 1902 show no stonework, whether 'hand coloured' or not. I would suggest that the first stonework was placed around the tree sometime between 1902 and 1904

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Rebekah (29th Oct 2015 - 03:19:43) A, thank you for your cutting and somewhat rude comment to my suggestion that a bench could be made from the felled tree. I have now seen on both this thread and the thread for suggestions for a new tree that in fact a bench is a serious option for the wood. Not such a daft suggestion I made after all!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Janina (31st Oct 2015 - 09:00:20) Has a palm /bamboo tree been planted or is it just a joke? Just a little joke

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Gill Snedden (31st Oct 2015 - 10:23:14) Havent read all the comments on this but loved the postcard, and the chaps sitting with the tree toasting! It made me wonder if there were any other memories out there. There must be a history of liphook so maybe pictures could be collated as a memoir to this very old tree. We all have to go sometime and it would appear that this tree had reached its time.

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Lizzie (9th Nov 2015 - 22:24:07) Do we now know what the plans are?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - GB (11th Nov 2015 - 17:55:26) Interesting reading about the tunnels that were discovered when felling this tree. I'm not sure exactly where they lead to, however I know there is a tunnel in Milland Place which apparently leads into the centre of Liphook. Wonder if this could be the one?

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - Ugottalarf (11th Nov 2015 - 20:53:28) Really??!! So that would make it longer (probably?) than the Hindhead tunnel?! And you've seen the start of this tunnel? They were mad for tunnelling back then weren't they? And all with a pick and shovel!!

Re: S.O.S Anchor tree - liz (12th Nov 2015 - 08:58:58) GB There were no tunnels. 'Ed' posted on here and I fell for it as I thought 'Ed' was Editor .. but he wasn't and it was nonsense! Correct, Ed is not Editor !

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