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Green Dragon violence ! - Sinead (19th Jun 2015 - 23:20:11) That's two nights running we have had full on street battles going on outside the Green Dragon! Tonight S*m & his Junkie’s spoiled the peace yet again with a dozen lads stood in the middle of the roundabout north of the square giving out to one lad held back by some girl. All of them were drinking in the Dragon before it kicked off and then spilled to the street. Most of them returned to the dragon immediately after and carried on drinking inside.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Robert (20th Jun 2015 - 14:10:10) The naming and shaming should be banned on this site. People try and improve themselves, which isn't always easy, only to be pulled down. Comments about fighting and bad language etc are fair enough. But you don't get any medals for the constant naming and shaming. Life is not always a smooth road for some and if you don't know the full circumstances don't use names. It's not hard to guess with a 3 letter name when you put 2 letters.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Anne (20th Jun 2015 - 14:58:02) Sinead, you say 2 nights running there have been full on street battles but yet you only broadcast the one S*m was involved in! Why haven\'t you broadcast the street battle the previous evening? You very obviously know S*m and his personal history. Was you witness to the entire incident? Did you witness what happened before it spilled out onto the street? If you did witness the entire incident you could only be a personal friend as that\'s who was there when this happened otherwise you\'ve just heard second hand idle gossip that\'s been exaggerated with each person that\'s been told. Sinead, if that\'s even your real name, you know that so far S*m has been doing extremely well and he doesn\'t need people like you bad mouthing him.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Robert (20th Jun 2015 - 15:24:49) Well said Anne! This young lad has done extremely well but as usual people never forget the bad things. There certainly were some extenuating circumstances last night and, Sinead, you obviously don't know what they were. This boy has had an awful lot to deal with and every one deserves a second chance without constantly being reminded.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Sinead (20th Jun 2015 - 23:59:06) 1. No one has been named and shamed here, yes a mild cover up of the S*m name was attempted but if that was the name shouted across the street in front all the public in the square when it happened then it’s the name that will be used in the report. No family name was used, no address was given and frankly given the population of Liphook there is easily a dozen males called S*m. The fact you jumped to respond only proves you’re aware of the history and are probably a mate. 2. Circumstances! The circumstance’s are that no one felt safe to walk through the roundabout north of the bike shop as it was full of 20 odd lads f’ing and c’ing whilst baying for each other’s blood. A crowd of normal people whom wished to cross that path which included children and elderly had to shelter in the Royal Anchor forecourt to the south including me, near the club on the Headley Road and the rest I couldn’t see, apart from a few dozen cars that had to stop or reverse out due to the madness that was going on in the middle of the road. I can’t understand what bit of my original post you don’t get, STREET VIOLENCE ISNT ACCEPTABLE ! 3. This post wasn’t about a person, it was about the Green Dragon and it new s**t MGMT, they have let the vacuum occur! Whilst all this kicked off I was told by 3 strangers and 2 members of staff from the Royal Anchor that something similar has occurred the night before (Fri) Suggesting am full of S**t on that point is irrelevant, I was witness to what I reported on and am fairly sure with 4 separate parties claiming the same thing happened the night before that it did (Albeit perhaps different perpetrators) 4. Robert, This boy is causing s**t day after day. I have a 12 year child asking me questions about what happened when I sought shelter in the Royal Anchor when all we wanted to do was get a take away and walk home! now have to answer what a c**t means and why loons in our village can stop traffic/fight and make the rest of us hide in fear of their riot. If the lad you defending has been through so much then why 1. IS HE ON THE PISS? 2. WHY CANT HE TURN THE OTHER CHEEK Fact is he did neither! Fact is he is still the centre of anti social behaviour around here! Do you want me to tell my child “Oh don’t be afraid of street violence, this lads had a hard time” if he throws a bottle that hit you please forgive him as life been hard to him. You should all be ashamed of your posts, Liphook is better than you and we wont put up with this s**t anymore. If your going to ruin it for us we are going to talk about on this forum without fear of the perpetrators mates rolling in with nonsense.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Fred (21st Jun 2015 - 07:25:31) There were children out in Liphook at gone 12? Parents should be ashamed of themselves if their children are in a pub at that time!

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Lucy (21st Jun 2015 - 07:28:19) Well said Sinead. This guy clearly has an issue and therefore shouldn\'t have been drinking in the first place so how can anyone be expected to sympathise? I wish they would hurry up and turn the dragon in to flats already! I

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Stacey (21st Jun 2015 - 07:35:23) Sinead, the whole time I was there in the pub and then outside of the pub, if you had seen what had happened in the pub you may understand a little bit more why it spilled onto your precious street of liphook. Also, s*m does not cause trouble day in and day out, stop making up your own little stories to make out he is some sort of criminal on the loose! You obvious know this lad and have a very strong disliking for him. So you did not witness the one the night before? So you are just making up gossip that you have heard! Typical liphooker!

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Tracey (21st Jun 2015 - 08:24:00) Sinead, during a full on street battle the only name you heard was S*m? Really?

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Simon (21st Jun 2015 - 09:21:21) The trouble with this thread is I don't know who it concerns - I know a Sim, Sem, Sym, Sum, Sam, Sum and Skm. They all live locally. Driving me mad.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Ian (21st Jun 2015 - 09:48:15) Thank goodness I don't drink at this pub, sounds ghastly and clearly the OP clearly has some personal issues as well. All very sad. The sooner this place is converted into flats and some housing built in the car park, the better

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - tony (21st Jun 2015 - 11:20:22) It couldn't have been Skm, he was at home all night.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Catherine (21st Jun 2015 - 14:11:40) Sinead I\'ve been reading your posts and I\'d just like to point out the following. In your first statement you stated tonight S*m and his junkies spoiled the peace yet again with a dozen lads stood in the middle of the roundabout north of the square bla bla bla then most of them returned to the green dragon immediately after and carried on drinking. To me that post was aimed directly at S*m and his junkies. In your second post, please refer to your bullet point number 1. No one was named and shamed, you mildly covered with S*m, ok please now refer back to your first post of S*m and his junkies. Number 2, Circumstances! I know this incident took place late in the evening and you state that the elderly and children were forced to take shelter at the anchor forecourt to the south. Really! Children out so late at night? Hhhmmmm I\'m doubting your telling of the event. Not for one minute do I agree to Street violence but I\'m guessing you don\'t know the full facts or you simply dislike S*m. Number 3 of your second post. This post wasn\'t about a person, it was about the green dragon and its new s**t MGMT! Please refer again back to your first post and you will clearly see nothing mentioned about the s**t MGMT. Tonight S*m and his junkies spoiled the peace yet again is what you said. Number 4 of your second post, Robert this boy is causing s**t day after day and you now have to explain to your 12yr old what a c**t is. Really! Do you? I do a school run walking past Bohunt school twice a day and the language used is extremely colourful so I bet your little darling has heard worse at school. It is not a fact that he is the centre of anti social behaviour often. It is a fact that he did take the wrong path in life and is now turning a corner to a better path, the weekend antics were not his fault, he defended himself when attacked by 2 males. Nobody should be ashamed of the posts stated above, personally sinead you was wrong to name only one person in your original post when I clearly heard more than his named mentioned that evening.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Becky (21st Jun 2015 - 17:11:41) Well said Catherine!

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - (21st Jun 2015 - 17:50:39) Where's the CC TV or camera phones when you need them, for evidence of violence or to clear people's names. Surely one of the businesses have CC TV evidence.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Dean (22nd Jun 2015 - 10:16:27) Dear Sinead I really do not like to reply on sites such as this however just to put a few facts straight for you ! On Saturday night there was a altercation with in the Green Dragon between two people and the only way I felt I could defuse the situation was by ejecting one of them and retaining the other within the building however 45 minutes later when I closed the pub and sent everybody on their way for the evening The first one was still waiting somewhere within the village centre they were both warned prior to any incidents that if any trouble did start they would both be automatically barred from the premises police were in contact with me at the time of the incident and throughout because they had a high demand of police elsewhere they couldn't send an officer to attend however they did feel happy that the incident was over in such a short time and dealt with in the correct manner absolutely nobody walked back into the pub and had drinks this statement that you have put up is completely incorrect if you would like to discuss anything to do with the bub I am very approachable and open to suggestions of how else to control the rough element of Liphook as I have only been on the premises for four weeks I am having to dwindle out the dross this is not the direction of the business I had in mind when I first arrived here i'm sure I am more shocked than yourself as to how rough such a sweet little village is I have been in the trade 19 years and run bars and restaurants all over the country from major cities to small villages !! Let's hope is very different . Thank you for reading this and I hope the little bit of patience and understanding will hopefully go along way to making the Green Dragon a friendly place to be. Negative statements on here will only prolong and hinder the process of improving the Green Dragon thank you for your understanding

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Val (22nd Jun 2015 - 17:53:19) I don't know any of the people involved or the circumstances surrounding this incident so I am not here to make a judgement. However I have read the posts with interest and the points of views expressed therein. It appears that this young man and, before anyone corrects me, this is an assumption I have made based on what I have read in this Thread, has had and possibly still has problems. I do not know what the problems are but suffice it to say life is not always fair and not many of us escape the blows that it sometimes deals out. I met a friend of mine the other day with whom I have not had contact for many years. She has a son who at the age of 24 had a serious skiing accident which resulted in him being paralysed from the chest down. He has no use at all in his arms, hands or lower body. He was 24 and a great athlete. However he is now 39, has a girlfriend, a house and garden which he loves. He is positive, has a job and does an enormous amount of work for charity racing specially adapted tricycles. He did have a great deal of support from friends and family and that being said, only he could make the choice to go up or go down. He made the former choice. I have lived through World War 11 as a child and my parents through World War 1. In both wars millions of young men died, some little more than youngsters, on The Front, in the Battle of Britain and many other battles. Millions were severely disabled or killed. So the point of this post is this. It is not the problems and setbacks in life that change our lives for better or for worse. It is how we deal with these problems and setbacks and only the individual can do that. There is help out there but there has to be the will to seek it out and the will to change. Lastly please do not blame the manager of the Green Dragon. He appears to be doing his best to diffuse matters and it cannot be easy. I know that because my son was the manager of a pub for many years.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Lucy (22nd Jun 2015 - 18:05:48) Hi Dean well I wish you all the best with improving the Green Dragon. I genuinely do. I would love to be able to feel comfortable to visit the Dragon however I feel that the clientele it tends to attract off putting. I hope you can change this but I feel that's not possible hence why I would rather it be converted on to flats.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Becky (22nd Jun 2015 - 19:35:10) If 2 males attecked you for no reasons while you are in a pub, would you just let that happen to yourself?

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Suzanne (22nd Jun 2015 - 19:58:29) Lucy I am very disappointed that you would like to see the green dragon converted into flats, I cannot understand this. My family has been a part of liphook for many years having started off with a horse and cart doing a veg round pre world war 2 and I cannot understand the mentality of people who want to rip the heart and sole out of a village. This is happening in liphook and more and more with all the building going on and yet you want to convert an old pub into flats!! Dean seems as if he is trying to get the Green Dragon on track and I wish him well. Hope he succeeds.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - tony (23rd Jun 2015 - 11:10:41) Well said Suzanne, just because there was a fight on a Saturday night (although to be fair it doesn't sound like there was much if any actual fighting), some folk suddenly want to rip down one of the most gorgeous ancient buildings in Liphook and build a block of flats! Who's the biggest danger to Liphook? Not excusing the bad behaviour, but to be fair this sort of thing has been going on for ever, at least there were no weapons used like in some places. Let's keep it that way, turning Liphook into a mass urban sprawl ain't gonna help. And by the way, how sad that the police said sorry, we're too busy and you're too far away to come. Surely that's the real story here!

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - stacey (23rd Jun 2015 - 12:13:38) If there had been real violence and someone hurt the police would have come even if they had come an hour late! It saddens me that society in general has become like this, I am thinking particularly of the 8 month pregnant woman attacked in London in the street in daylight. We must face it though that Liphook is no longer a village. It is on the main line to London, and now has a population of nearly 9 thousand people. It may be nostalgic to reminisce but even suburban areas have changed in character over the years. We have to be careful to protect the historic centre though or there will be no point having a square at all and all the attendant traffic jams!

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - Kenny (23rd Jun 2015 - 21:41:48) I am hoping the Green Dragon remains a pub and not turned into flats. It is the only traditional pub left around here.

Re: Green Dragon violence ! - colin (27th Jun 2015 - 01:10:54) Dean, To be fair mate, I was in the pub that night, your statement re ejecting & retaining is utter tosh, all your staff were completely obvious throughout and the fact you state online that something different happened makes me want to post. Fact is all parties kicked off both inside and outside the pub, and the main crew rolled back into the pub to spend alot more money for a long period. To suggest you "edited" the closing time is also bullshit, you closed at pretty much the normal time give or take 5 mins, albeit after you had gathered another few £ from the violent mob.

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