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Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (16th Apr 2015 - 19:29:10) So you think yr clever going to Petersfield council to change the election results What have you got to hide??? Well I think a certain person should now get the newspapers in name and shame you all, well most of you!!!! Let's see you get out of this one!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (17th Apr 2015 - 10:21:52) change the results? what do you mean please?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - mt (17th Apr 2015 - 15:55:04) from what i can understand some one from the parish office went to pens place and told them that mr cavin was still employed by them till the 15 of this month even tho he had been sacked he had to hand is paper in on the 9 of this month so he was still employed by them they were so woried he was going to make life very hard for them do we realy want people like mr stanley &co running are village i thing east hants shoud step in

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (17th Apr 2015 - 16:54:12) I understand that East Hampshire have been contacted with regard to Scott Gavin putting his name forward as a candidate for LBPC in the forthcoming election and there is a move to prevent him standing.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (17th Apr 2015 - 17:15:49) This is very true, but surely as he would not be working for the council, at the time when the councillors job started what's up with that!!!! Mr Stanley and most of the other councillors, what are you hiding, are we able to ask the police to look into the financial side of the council, because there is something up. The have had money go missing from the millennium Hall they sacked a guy for that. Then more money went missing, but not one time have they contacted the police, why is this??? Its our money Liphook residence money, but they have just let it go!!! What are they hiding they don't want found out about???? The other thing is why one manager got the blame, they get shot of him, and more money disappears, but the covering manager is not suspender, surly this is a case of discrimination, a friend over heard a conversation on the phone, from the woman that covers in the millennium Hall, quote more money has gone missing /he's been sacked/ about £200!!! This friend was up stair in the heritage center. Mr Stanley and the most of the councillors are coving their dirty doings!!! Mr Stanley do something good for the village and leave including Mr CROUCHER!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - mt (17th Apr 2015 - 18:03:31) do east hants council know what is going on in liphook it was a shame we did not have to vote as im sure mr cavin woud have topped the poll

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (17th Apr 2015 - 18:46:08) That makes sense of this concil, there is only one I trust think his name is Eddie trotter a true sole wants the best for Liphook, the rest are a waist of spare, why has a council woman (Jane???) been doing internal investigations in stead of calling the police, they are hiding a lot from the Liphook people

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Guy Stacpoole (17th Apr 2015 - 18:46:20) Surely, surely surely you should all be addressing EHDC leader, your County councillor Ferris Cowper and getting him tocsort this out for you???? They don't just get elected to play golf after all.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (17th Apr 2015 - 19:11:36) Ok enough is enough, there are people's reputations at stake here and I don't think the vast majority of decent people would approve of the appalling things that are being said here. All employees of the council (current and past) are entitled not to have their private business discussed on a public forum in such a way. How many of the contributors here have read and been appalled by stories about online bullying by children and teenagers where something awful has happened as a result?? You people are acting in the same way. Remember there are people at the receiving end of those comments who go about their business in our village and I cannot and will not stand back and let them be publicly humiliated in such a way. I am not speaking on behalf of the council, I'm speaking because I know first hand what harm you are doing and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - s (17th Apr 2015 - 19:27:13) I am not surprised that no one new wants to stand for council in Liphook, who would want to get involved in such a mess and have their name dragged though the dirt too. What a shambles.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (17th Apr 2015 - 19:34:18) The Liphook people need help there is something so not right, money paid out to ex workers but won't say how much were the money has come from, it stinks!!!! How can one manager be punished and the second not??? Oh forgot they are friends of Mr Stanley enough said!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Robin (17th Apr 2015 - 20:00:06) I just find it so crazy that people we are supposed to trust let us down so badly, shame on you!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dave mcgrath (17th Apr 2015 - 23:11:52) i don't quite know what all this is about, but if certain posters are throwing around all of these accusations have the guts to put your name up and not just your initials or first names, if your going to put your head above the parapet have the balls to identify yourselveves or pipe down.9

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (17th Apr 2015 - 23:18:07) What are they going to do when all this hits the papers next week, should be interesting, get out of this one, we should rename them the council the Liphook mafia!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (18th Apr 2015 - 08:11:39) Mrs Ives why a a councillor did you not have the guts to call the police in when our money went missing. Also fact Mr Groves court costs were did that money come from, the lady manager payment???? Its our money but you won't show us the payments it's hidden.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Frances White (18th Apr 2015 - 10:08:16) This thread should be stopped now. To allow personal vendettas to be pursued in such a venemous way is just plain wrong and extremely harmful.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (18th Apr 2015 - 10:31:26) Cllr Ives, as has been said before it is not up to you or any individual to say what can or cannot be posted on this site. It is up to the editor. Having said that I do not condone rude or derogatory remarks - perhaps ex councillor Dawn Hoskins should talk a leaf out of that book before she posts such adjectives as "troll" and "poisonous". No rebuke from you on that particular occasion. I also think your comment that and I quote "there are people's reputations at stake here" is a little rich bearing in mind the present council have done a pretty comprehensive job of ruining Scott Gavin's reputation and in his case his livelihood. Before you say that it is the posters on Liphook Talkback who have done that, may I point out that most the posts are on his side and roundly condemn the council's actions. In addition bad news troubles fast with or without Liphook Talkback. I think it is a very sad fact that this council cannot cope with criticism and the trouble is they invite it by their undemocratic and appalling behaviour. I will give you two examples although there are many. 1. Their mis-use of exempt meetings. These should only be implemented in exceptional circumstances but this council have more exempt meetings than all the other parish councils in East Hants put together. What is the reason for this? 2. At the few meetings I have attended I did not feel that the democratic process was followed and this is the primary reason why I would not myself stand as a parish councillor for BLPC. People have tried to change things on this council but if they pitch themselves against the law of "Jerrard and Croucher" they are systematically targeted and bullied into leaving. In particular at the meeting on 27 October when the "The Willows Nursery" was discussed I was shocked that not enough time was given to members of the public who had taken the trouble to attend, to speak. In addition questions were not answered. This leaves people feeling frustrated and suspicious and in my opinion with good reason. That meeting was a shambles. When this council is well run and transparent perhaps these critical posts will stop.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve Wilson (18th Apr 2015 - 12:38:20) Kevin you are totally right, I would love to say what a great job the Liphook councillors have done, but the only way this could be said if all but, Mr trotter and the new lady to be recognised. Putting it politely Mr Gavin had them pooing their pants!!!! If this is not the case prove it, you can now as a forming council let him back on as he is no longer a member of staff, there are now 4 places if you don't it proves to me and a lot of people they have things to hide!!! The bets are you will try to get the councillors that did not run for elections this time get them to rejoin. Mrs Ives ect prove us wrong, and relect Mr Gavin back on the council. It's yr choice elect him to show nothing to hide don't elect him you are hiding things!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Ian (18th Apr 2015 - 12:58:13) In my experience, local politictions/councillors are generally cut from the same cloth, wherever you go in the country. They tend to have an overinflated opinion of their importance to the local community, are often incredibly thick skinned, arrogant and usually tend to be those members of the community with a bit too much time on their hands. The same can be said often on those on the periphery of local politics and this thread along with other similar posts on Talkback very much supports this view. I suspect that if the vast majority of the local population could be bothered to read this they would be simply mortified at the contributions. I recall a quote I once heard "anyone who wants to be a politician should be banned from being a politician"

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keith (18th Apr 2015 - 13:41:29) I'm not familiar enough with what is alleged to have gone on to comment one way or the other on Mr Gavin's dismissal (and like others I do not believe that should be discussed on a public forum like this - hearsay is a dangerous thing). But just to clarify a point of law - the date nominations close (which in this case was 9th April) is the important date, not the date of the election (7th May). So if Mr Gavin was still an employee of the council on 9th April his nomination should have been declared void by the returning officer (no argument - that is the law all candidates have to obey - it is illegal for a member of staff of a council to stand for nomination on that same council - so Mr Gavin could for instance legitimately stand as a candidate for the EHDC election or the General Election, but not the BLPC election). However, if Mr Gavin had been dismissed without either being given his notice period or receiving payment in lieu of notice, before 9th April, then his nomination is perfectly valid. I suggest we should all leave the investigation into that, correctly, into the hands of the Returning Officer (Tom Horwood) at EHDC.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve T (18th Apr 2015 - 16:19:38) Steve Wilson Eddie Trotter is also Justice and Corruption Party and Don Jerrard's right hand man do not forget. He has opposed the football grounds and clubhouse for LUFC right from the beginning. Guess why, he lives next door and yet he is on the recreation committee and done nothing for the club What a hypocrite. Get rid of these people.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (18th Apr 2015 - 17:58:11) Keith/Peter!!!! so you pick up on that, what about what's going on with Mr JERRARD, missing money ect ect. Mr Gavin has been fitted up by this council, like the manager before him and Mr Groves ect ect!!!!! The council are scared he will find out all that's been cloak and dagger with them!!! The herald need to running a follow up on this week's Liphook headlines, show this concil for what they are really like!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - mary (18th Apr 2015 - 20:14:43) am i right in thinging ok mr cavin handed his papers in om the 9/4/15 ok he had been given the sack byb.l.p.c.by then and was paid till the 15/4/15 so technaly he was still employed by b.l.p.c but if we had to go to poll on 7/5/15 he woud have not been a menber of staff for b.l.p.c but a public candadate so were do we get the problem from

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keith (18th Apr 2015 - 23:05:12) Mary It is 9th April which is the important date - that is the date nominations for the polls closed. If you are correct and Mr Gavin had been paid until 15th April then his nomination should have been rejected as it was against election law. Please don't shoot me on this, I didn't make the law, but it is the close of nominations date that matters, not the date of the election itself.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Peter Richardson (19th Apr 2015 - 10:06:38) This council beggars belief. On the one hand they seek to get Mr Gavin de-selected on the grounds that he was a council employee at the time the nominations closed ie 9 April. I believe he was sacked on the 7 April but apparently paid for another 5 days. So the question is if he has been sacked but still paid in lieu is he still an employee? Interesting. On the other hand they raise no objecction to Cllr Jerrard standing again even though has a court case for alleged assault hanging over him. Maybe electoral law does technically preclude Mr Gavin from standing but not Cllr Jerrard, but surely there is a moral issue here and I would have thought with Cllr Jerrard's track record of "Transparency and Honesty" (joke) he might have an conscience himself and await the result of the court case before putting himself forward for selection. The truth of the matter is that the council do not want Mr Gavin to stand because I suspect that he might know too much and now be prepared "to spill the beans" whereas Cllr Jerrard has his "cronies" on the council. If the electoral law does preclude Mr Gavin for the time being then all he can do is put his name forward again in the future, but if it is a case for co-option and the decision rests with the sitting councillors, they will almost certainly vote against this - I don't think they understand the word "democracy. The people of Bramshott and Liphook deserve better than this.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keith (19th Apr 2015 - 13:19:25) Peter If the number of councillors elected on 7th May is less than the number of seats available (which I believe will be the case for BLPC), then the council has a legal obligation to publish a poster advertising an opportunity for residents to force a by-election for any vacant seats (I can\'t remember the timescale for this but you could check with the Electoral Commission). It is then up to parishioners to force a by-election for those vacancies (you need a certain number of parishoners, I can\'t remember the number off the top of my head but I think it is 10, to sign saying they want a by-election.) If Mr Gavin still wishes to stand, he should keep an eye out for this poster and then get enough parishoners to sign the documents to call for a by-election. Clearly if Mr Gavin is the only candidate for that by-election (or the number of candidates is equal to or less than the number of vacancies), he will be elected without a public ballot (as per the current election) Only if there are then still vacancies after that period should the Council resort to co-opting councillors.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kat (20th Apr 2015 - 10:02:07) When is a councillor not a councillor? When they post on this website but say they are not posting as a councillor but know first hand what is going on. Are Jane Maria Ives and Jane Ives the same person? I think they are, having read the nomination lists on the District Council website. other name mentioned by Kat is NOT linked so removed

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (20th Apr 2015 - 10:19:25) Kat I always use my full name when I post so I'm not pretending to be something I'm not. My post earlier in this thread was solely because members of staff are being unfairly criticised and as a fellow human being I cannot stand by and let this happen. Quite simple really, and as I've said before all staff members, past and present (and by saying this I include Mr Gavin) do not deserve for their personal business to be discussed in public.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - mary (20th Apr 2015 - 14:05:20) kieth you are right looking at the rules for a by election the clerk of the local council must put a notice to show there are vacancy in that parish 10 parishers must let them know within 14 days if this is not done they can co.op the election must take place within 60 days if needed lets see was happens now ?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (20th Apr 2015 - 14:15:55) I think you have a big shock coming yr way, people like Mr Gavin wants people to know how you treat members of staff!!!! It's far from over!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (20th Apr 2015 - 14:37:38) This is my understanding, but please correct me if I am wrong. If there are still vacancies after the election for the parish council and there are then members of the public can put themselves forward within 28 days. If that happens it is up to the sitting councillors to decide if they are to be co-opted. If they feel that someone is not suitable they have to give their reasons. If no one comes forward the post/s are advertised by EHDC. If in response to this if a poll is called ie 10 signatories for a candidate then even if no election is required ie he/she is the only one standing for say one of two vacancies he/she will be automatically elected to the council. That is only way Scott Gavin will get on this parish council because some of the present councillors will block anything else.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kat (20th Apr 2015 - 15:11:07) Jane Ives I never said you were. Anyway, my second question is completely meaningless as the editor removed part of it before it was posted.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (20th Apr 2015 - 17:57:33) Jane / Jane Groves can you answer why you never called the police in on finding out the second lot of money had gone missing. Even when you had sacked a man for this, just shows that you councillors don't know what you are doing, I believe you could not call the police in because Mr Gavin would prove you wrong in a court of law, you councillors are in trouble again.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (20th Apr 2015 - 21:20:02) Steve, I\'m not quite sure the use of my previous name is relevant. My married name is Ives - I got married in 2011. Lots of people will know me through my previous surname of Grove (without an S). Anyway I answer to both as it\'s easier that way when I have children who share my Grove surname. With regards your other questions then, as I\'ve said before, questions on staff matters are not up for discussion on a public forum.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (21st Apr 2015 - 09:46:17) But Mr Gavin has shown me the letter of you sacking him!!!! 1 reason missing funds he was gone and money was still going!!!! Explained yr case against him, if you want me to give you a letter from Mr Gavin saying you can do this he is more than happy to give his permission!!!! 2 reason a contractor have the millennium Hall keys, once again the contractor did have the millennium Hall keys, but the keys to the allotments so he could install the fencing the council asked to do!!! So you have cooked up again!!!! Your case against him looking like a cock up again like a the other staff you have sacked!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keith (21st Apr 2015 - 10:19:51) Kevin You've not quite got it in the right order - what should happen is this: 1. BLPC display poster(s) around parish advertising that there are vacant seats. 2. 10 or more parishoners have to sign a document requesting that an election be held to fill these vacant seats (these don't have to be people who actually want to become councillors, just people who want an election). Only criteria is that these people must live within the parish and must be on the electoral roll. 3. If an election is demanded, a by-election date will be set, posters will be displayed inviting nominations, and Mr Gavin and/or anyone else can then apply either to the Parish Clerk or the elections office at EHDC for nomination papers and get themselves nominated. 4. If the number of nominations is less than or equal to the number of vacancies, come the by-election date, everyone nominated is duly elected. 5. If the number of nomination is greater than the number of vacancies, the by-election takes place and parishoners get to vote for their favourite candidate(s) 6.If 28 days after item 1, insufficient parishoners have asked for an election, the parish council can then co-opt people to fill the vacancies Hope that all makes sense...

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jake Travis (21st Apr 2015 - 13:17:33) Steve/Kat - Why do you insist on asking Parish Councillors to comment on disciplinary matters on a public forum? Do you really expect them to give you all the confidential information here?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (21st Apr 2015 - 13:55:26) They are going to have to do something soon name and shame is going to happen very soon!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (21st Apr 2015 - 15:31:42) Thank you Keith. Just a quick question. What happens if only two people put themselves forward after the election and there are two vacancies but a poll is called by 10 individual electors for one of the candidates? See point 4 "4. If the number of nominations is less than or equal to the number of vacancies, come the by-election date, everyone nominated is duly elected."

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (21st Apr 2015 - 17:43:58) Thank you Editor. To be quite clear, yes I did read item 4 - quote: "4. If the number of nominations is less than or equal to the number of vacancies, come the by-election date, everyone nominated is duly elected." So if this is the case the candidate would definitely with no shadow of a doubt be elected, he would not have to be co-opted.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (21st Apr 2015 - 22:11:10) If yr sacked of the 7th but they owe you holiday day for a few more days, dose not mean yr employed by the council on the 9th as yr employment was already ended. It's one of those have Liphook Parish Council not told the truth and have said the date of his last payment. Not the date he was sacked????

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kat (22nd Apr 2015 - 10:52:35) Jake Travis My questions on this thread are related to the election of Mr Gavin to the Parish Council. Now that Jane Ives has told us that she is Jane M Grove that answered my question because that was the name the editor removed from my post. When you look at the names on the list of who supported Michael Croucher for the District Elections there were six current Parish Councillors. P Robinson, J Poole, E Trotter, J Kirby, P Jordan, Jane Grove. If it was the Parish Council that made a complaint, the chances of Mr Gavin being chosen by the five remaining Councillors on the new Parish Council are very slim!!! But I think we should all be told if public money has gone missing or been lost, how much, and what our councillors are doing about it. If pay out or pay offs were made how much public money did our councillors decide to spend. We should also be told when and who on the Council decided to get rid of Mr Gavin and were the Council given 5 days’ notice.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (22nd Apr 2015 - 12:25:38) Have any of you looked for the info on the PC website? Talking about accounts. I know that for absolute certainty that the historic amounts that have continually been referred to as 'hidden' were published right down to the last penny. It was not anywhere near £130 BTW. That was a figure plucked out of the air by The Herald. If people are demanding things to be posted here, official info like figures and accounts, they can keep barking up the same tree for years and the PC will never hear their noise. It will never be posted here - it is posted on the PC website and explained at meetings. Those who attend are fully aware of this. It's about asking in the right place - to the right people. Of course seeing the figures does not give people the chance to bad mouth the PC - so maybe it is not as much fun. Dawn, would you be so kind as to at least link to one BLPC document which details / discusses the Groves costs and shows the exact figures concerned to disprove the £130k figure ?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kat (22nd Apr 2015 - 13:47:02) Dawn Hoskins Where is the pay out to the employee at the Millennium Hall shown, on what date and how much was it. That was public money, our money. You were a councillor at the time, so perhaps you would be kind enough to point us to where it is shown in the accounts on the PC website. That would be helpful. That is what I am talking about but on the other thread "This council are doing it again" because that is where it was posted.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - D (22nd Apr 2015 - 14:16:59) Kat & The Editor I hope neither of you are holding your breath whilst you await an honest and straight-forward answer. This is not something that apparently comes easily to BLPC.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - liz (22nd Apr 2015 - 15:04:16) The numbers may be there but are they clearly itemised?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (22nd Apr 2015 - 15:21:53) I hear after 3 weeks the council are now going to call the police in!!! Why after 3 weeks and a part of the reason Mr Gavin lost his job, the council & Mr Stanley yr heads should roll for this yours!!!!! So when they find out it was not Mr Gavin that did not take the money, are they going to give him his job back before they resign I hope so or we will have more compassion to pay out!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (22nd Apr 2015 - 16:39:04) While I can understand why Dawn Hoskins will not respond to Kat I cannot understand why she does not respond to the Editor's perfectly reasonable question.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (22nd Apr 2015 - 20:49:11) All amounts are published every month and discussed at the Council meeting. Any member of public can ask about any item listed. Nothing private. Nothing hidden. All laid out for you to see. There are lots of links for you to click on here. In general. What the PC spend and how is published here: publication-scheme-class-2 The amounts hidden by the previous council, which were discovered by the present incumbents are found here: Public-Report-of-Accounts-and-Annual-Return-Working-Party-28-November-2011.pdf And here: Current council dealing with staff problems. Explanation of professionals used during that time, is here: 12-10-16-BLPC-Press-Release.pdf Costs for these here: Mrs Karen Hill: Investigation a7 Full Report. £4,640 19th July 2012 £2,435 17th September 2012 £2,205 See details here: Receipts-and-Payments-July-12.pdf and here Receipts-and-Payments-Sep-12.pdf Ms Julia Homan: Investigatory Review & Disciplinary Hearing. £4,405 £2,700 on 2nd October 2012. £1,705 on 15th Jan 2013 See details here: Receipts-and-Payments-Jan-13.pdf and here: Receipts-and-Payments-Sep-12.pdf SW19 Solicitors and Barrister. Approx. 100 hours work over 8 months. £21,840. Note, includes approx ⅕ to the barrister for his Initial Legal Opinion. £ 1,560 on 2nd December 2011; £4,585 on 5th March 2012; £ 4,368 on 23rd May 2012; £2,280 on 22nd June 2012; £9,048 on 13th August 2012 See details here Receipts-and-Payments-December-2011.pdf and here Receipts-and-Payments-Aug-12.pdf and here: Receipts-and-Payments-June-12.pdf and here: Receipts-and-Payments-March-2012.pdf

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (22nd Apr 2015 - 23:31:00) I hear the council have only allowed the police to be involved so that don't have to answer questions on the next meeting with the public!!! It's from a councillors own mouth that I know

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kat (23rd Apr 2015 - 10:00:30) Please show us where the figures are which show the payment to the employee at the Millennium Hall made by this council.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Tom (23rd Apr 2015 - 11:25:03) It's a wonder anyone would want be a Parish Councillor facing the likes of armchair critics like Steve. Look at his posts...It's all "I've heard this...I heard that the other day...I bet it's because...etc etc" I'm sorry but with so much negativity, how much use is this Talkback forum? If anyone was considering moving to Liphook, I'm guessing that after typing the village name into a search engine then this site sits at the top of the findings. What a great advert for Liphook this is. Sure - sort your queries out with the Parish Council at the public meetings, their website or email them direct. Talkback is a great resource for information, and I applaud the Editor for maintaining it - why can't it be for information and notices, as the gripes, mud-slinging and fixed obession with the faults of the local Parish Council show little sense of "Community", as this website is badged as.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (23rd Apr 2015 - 15:40:59) Tom It is obvious to me from your post that you have never been to a BLPC meeting but do correct me if I am wrong. If you did you would see why people don't go to them. Ditto have you ever tried visiting the Parish Office to find out what is going on re: a particular issue? The words STONE WALL and UNHELPFUL come to mind. This Parish Council have more Exempt Meetings (Meetings held behind closed doors where the public and the press are not allowed to be present) than you can shake a stick at! I don't think I am being controversial when I say that Exempt Meetings are rarely used by the majority of parish councils – a properly run council has no need of regular Exempt Meetings as these are only implemented for example to discuss staff salaries or similar – in other words matters that are confidential and do not need to be made public and are not in the public interest. This heavy use of Exempt Meeting by BLPC only create an atmosphere of mistrust and secrecy in what otherwise should be an open and democratic forum. On the question of Liphook Talkback the reason for its existence is in its name – Talkback. It is not only for information although this of course is useful, it is there for people to air grievances and bring to public notice those things which are perceived to be unfair and just plain wrong. I take your point about this being bad press for Liphook but while you have a council such as Bramshott and Liphook have now this will continue. You have only to look at Dawn Hoskins' informative post about the money that has been spent by this council on disciplinary matters. I am sure that most businesses don't run up these sort of costs – and for whatever reason it keeps happening – the Millennium Hall debacle being the latest. I don't know what the answer is so I won't pretend I do, but as long as things don't smell right it is in everybody's interests to just keep plugging away until real change takes place.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (23rd Apr 2015 - 18:03:44) Kevin, I don't know how many meetings you have attended but I don't recall your name (other than from Talkback) and we do tend to know most of the people who come along as they are fairly regular, so apologies if I've met you but don't remember you. If you came to the meeting where The Willows was discussed then I agree that it was a difficult and frustrating meeting. With regard to exempt sessions, can I bring to your attention the following document on the parish council website? Audit-Action-Plan.pdf This is the action plan following the internal audit carried out by an independent auditor this time last year. I also attach the audit report for your information. Internal-Audit-Report-2013-14.pdf These documents have both been on the website since last year. I'm putting these here because they show that the internal auditor did report that the council were having too many exempt sessions. If you refer to item 3 on the action plan document you will see that we have taken steps to reduce the amount of exempt sessions. Exempt sessions are generally held after the main agenda is complete, at the end of the meeting. So the public can stay for the first bit but not for the exempt bit. Only matters concerning staff are now held in exempt session ie staff reviews, pay reviews, pension arrangements and such like. I'm sure you can understand why this is necessary. Not all parish councils will have the same number of staff as Bramshott & Liphook and therefore there may not be the necessity to have many exempt sessions. Also, please bear in mind that last year we went through an organisational review so there were a number of decisions to be made. We do now try and state what the exempt session is being held for so if you look at Monday's agenda (link below) then you will see that the exempt session is being held to discuss staffing arrangements at the Millennium Centre. PC-Mtg-Agenda-27th-April-2015.pdf The interim audit for this year was carried out very recently and we will be reviewing the interim report at next Monday's council meeting. If you come along you will be able to hear the discussion. To try and put some perspective on the use of exempt sessions I've had a look through all the agendas for full council meetings since January 2014, link here - bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/meetings/council-meeting The last exempt session we had, prior to the one on Monday, was in November 2014 to discuss staff pension arrangements. Prior to that there were exempt sessions in September, July, April and January all of which were to discuss the organisational review. Prior to the audit last year we used to discuss quotations/tenders for work that needed to be carried out by contractors in exempt session to ensure commercial confidentiality. The auditor gave us some sound advice about how we could do this in public session which we now follow. As councillors we are bound by so many rules and regulations but, of course, members of the public can go onto Talkback and say whatever they like good or bad. We often are unable to answer because matters are confidential and not up for discussion on a public forum ie the staff issue at the LMC. If you want your voice to be heard you need to speak to the right people. To be honest commenting on here isn't going to change things. The same applies to people who post on here about awful service they've had at a local pub or restaurant - if you want that service to change then you need to go along and talk to the manager. As a councillor I do post on here and am not afraid to do so. But I am treading a very careful line between what I can and cannot say and not all councillors would necessarily do what I'm doing. That doesn't make them bad it just means they would prefer to communicate in other ways. I've given out my phone number and my email address on various threads and I've only ever received 2 responses from members of the public. Discussing things on here is never going to have a satisfactory conclusion for anyone mainly because people tend to post at different times and the editor can only post as and when, as this is a hobby for him and not a business, so conversations become very disjointed. Please don't shoot me down in flames as I am actually trying to listen and provide the information that I can. Jane Ives

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - S (24th Apr 2015 - 08:43:23) Steve, I don't think you are doing Scott any favours with your post , I know it made me question things more than I would of but I had my own ideas as to why he might have been dismissed and after a few discrete inquiries it appears I was right. I actively encourage questioning authoritative decisions but it seems to have resulted in a slanging match and several personal attacks, not a good reflection on anyone.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Peter Richardson (24th Apr 2015 - 11:19:04) Thank you Dawn for your post dated 22 April giving details of expenditure by BLPC. I quote: “SW19 Solicitors and Barrister. Approx. 100 hours work over 8 months. £21,840. Note, includes approx ⅕ to the barrister for his Initial Legal Opinion.” Was this the money that was spent in investigating Tony Groves, the dismissed parish clerk? As to the rest of the posting there seem to be more expenses – “Mrs Karen Hill: Investigation a7 Full Report. £4,640 19th July 2012 £2,435 17th September 2012 £2,205 See details here: Receipts-and-Payments-July-12.pdf “ “Ms Julia Homan: Investigatory Review & Disciplinary Hearing. £4,405 £2,700 on 2nd October 2012. £1,705 on 15th Jan 2013 See details here: Receipts-and-Payments-Jan-13.pdf” Were these expenses also part of the dismissal procedure? As to the rest of the receipts I really do not understand some of the payments. However I am not an accountant but I do have a friend who is so I am going to ask him if he understands the accounts for my clarification of course as I assume they have all been audited. Interestingly, I understand that SW19 solicitors are the same solicitors that Cllr Jerrard is using in connection with his pending court case dealing with his alleged assault against David Harvey.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (24th Apr 2015 - 13:42:01) Peter Richardson - have you read the links previous to the financial info as they spell out in depth the order of events. I would recommend this as what I say now will be only a summary of what happened. So – short summary - here goes. In May 2011 the new councillors took their seats. Staff relationships were entirely dysfunctional, and many came forward with ‘whistleblowing’ statements. At the first meeting of the council there were payment queries re: a staff member, it was agreed that this would be made transparent before annual accounts could be ‘signed-off’. The situation was very serious. It transpired that regular and continued claims were lodged by one member of staff in particular, at both regulatory and legal level against any councillor that challenged behaviour. Also that an official whistleblowing statement was lodged with the previous council - but ignored. After 6 months fact-finding, an overview was read to members of the public and put on the council website. The documents were then passed to the lawyer. This was necessary as at this point, there were no councillors who had not been in receipt of a claim against them. It was clear that no councillor would be able to act as decision maker without a challenge of bias. Councillors making decisions is ‘free’ to the tax payer, however - this had gone on for the previous decade and had not resolved the issues – only made them worse. It resulted in legal fees and ex- Gratia payments – but also stored up problems for the future due to the council neglecting its duty of care and allowing considerable detriment to continue. Due to the litigious nature of the individual concerned, it was necessary to have legal input both during both the Investigation Period (conducted by Karen Hill) and also the Disciplinary Period (conducted by Julia Homan). There was objection to any councillor witnessing interviews, but this was insisted upon to avoid outnumbering. The legal input was to protect the council against future claim from the individual concerned by ensuring - no bias - no councillor involvement in decision-making - absolutely correct behaviour at all times. Lastly, I understand that mud-slinging is common at election time, but I can assure that everyone working as a councillor at this horrible time was fully informed and involved and everything done only when a full vote was taken, with advance notice given. It is really not fair to blame the council when they had no choice but to fix the problem. It is certainly untrue to say that the council ‘engineered’ the situation or that any individual councillor had any influence in decision-making.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (24th Apr 2015 - 15:25:56) Dawn, I have read your last post with interest - it is most informative. However I have one question and I quote below a post which I feel is relevant. Re: Dismissal of the Parish Clerk - Iam Toshie (24th Nov 2013 13:39:48) I understand the police investigation is now complete and they do not wish to take the matter further. This does not mean Mr Groves was innocent, it merely means the police have insufficient evidence or they “can’t be bothered”. The best thing the B&LPC can do now is to publish their report on the matter which for so long has been sub-judice. I would appear Mr Groves stand accused of being a bit of a tyrant. The police often drop criminal cases which succeed in the civil courts as we all know. Let us now see the report and we can make our own minds up. Gabielle Pike’s reporting abilities leave much to be desired. Tony Groves was not “cleared” as she stated on the front page, the police have merely considered there is insufficient evidence to take the matter to the CPS. It doesn’t mean he didn’t do it! Let us now see the full report. My question therefore is has there ever been a report published of Mr Grove's misdemeanors as I assume your sentence, Dawn and I quote "Due to the litigious nature of the individual concerned" does refer to Tony Groves? Could I just have a yes it has and possible a link where I can read the report or a no it hasn't, please.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (24th Apr 2015 - 18:16:21) I would trust Mr Groves with my council money than anyone that's trying to run the council not!!!! They do not have a clue, even on employment laws!!! So why are they allowed to get away with it???? Mr Groves is a good man got things done, I believe he tried to stop the masons taking over the Liphook council, trust me they are there!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (24th Apr 2015 - 19:00:35) The reports written and paid for by the tax payers by both the investigatory professional and the disciplinary professional have not been published, despite calls by myself and other councillors to do so. Obviously the legal files would not be published. It is entirely possible to publish redacted copies of the reports, but the Parish Council have to date not done so, for fear (I believe) of either harming the reputation of the council, whose previous incumbents acted prima facia in a negligent manner, or opening the way for those affected detrimentally to make future claims, which you may be aware has already happened. There have been 2 votes on the matter, where it has been explained that there are no data protection issues if every human mentioned is redacted - as this prevents identification. It was also explained that there is a duty on the council to account for the money spent on the investigations by publishing them. From memory, the first vote went '3 for 7 against', and the second went '2 for 10 against'. The most recent motion called for the publication of any report commissioned by the Parish Council and paid for by the tax-payer to be redacted and published. This was to be retrospective to include the reports on the Willows nursery buildings as well as any other. It would have been all encompassing. There will be records of this but you would have to trawl through minutes to find the 'Motion' and the votes. It is possible that there may have been abstentions rather than all 'against'. It is my firm belief that these are 'public interest' documents regarding civil servants paid for directly by the tax-payer. However, due to the fear that the constant threat of litigation has had over the last decade I do understand the reluctance to publish.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Tom (25th Apr 2015 - 10:34:33) Kevin - I've been to a handful, I've also read the minutes, which I agree, along with their website, can be laborious and certainly need a shake up too make the information simpler and easier to understand. My point was around the negativity of a lot of the posts directed at the Parish Council, a mixture of hearsay and speculation demanding answers that surly should be taken up with BLPB direct, The thread then snowballs and so on. Look at the title of this thread, and Steve's posts within it - free speech granted, but is this forum enhanced by these loaded rants? Worth considering that you may get answers to questions by using the right approach, that's all.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (25th Apr 2015 - 11:01:12) This council thinks they can do what ever they want and the Liphook people will just stand there and take it!!!! Mr Gavin has been accused of things that can be proved that he did not do!!!! People need to know what a crap council we have from the clerk upwards. They think they are above the law things need to change!!! I know of at least 2 contractors that won't work for the council cos it takes for ever to get paid, never had that problem under Mr Groves!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kevin Jackson (25th Apr 2015 - 11:18:57) Thank you Dawn. I really am trying to see the best in BLPC and I am sure there are some very worthy members on it. However something is not right,has not been right for some time and there is still too much secrecy. However I expect it will all come out one day. In the meantime I think I agree with other posters on this site and the one on the Jerrard Alleged Assault charge that I have said enough and justice will be done and truth will come out eventually. Let's hope so.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (26th Apr 2015 - 16:25:51) We can only hope so!!! It's just not right what has happened

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (27th Apr 2015 - 22:42:28) Any news about the police not turning up yet, are we allowed to contact the police to find out if the council really did contact them

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (28th Apr 2015 - 19:35:35) Sounds like they council are telling us more stories!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (29th Apr 2015 - 21:53:14) Police have sill not talked to anyone about the missing money

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (1st May 2015 - 14:05:49) The matter was reported to the police at the time, and also at that time the statement confirming this was posted on the front page of the Parish Council website. bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk 'Statement Concerning Loss of Cash. The council has been investigating a loss of cash receipts at the Millennium Centre. This has been reported to the Police and to the council’s insurer’s. We have notified our internal auditor, and are working with her to strengthen internal controls on cash handling' What the police do, or do not do, is not within the control of the Parish Council

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (1st May 2015 - 17:38:38) If money has gone missing the police would have come out, it's public money, a man lost his job as part of the missing money, so he should have his job back, if there is no proof or the police say there is no case to answer

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (3rd May 2015 - 19:09:02) Can anyone tell me why the millennium Hall managers job has not been advised??? The stand in manager that was there when other funds went missing, is telling everyone she is the new manager, don't you have to advertise the job by law. Also as Mr Gavin lost his job over missing funds and under her more funds went missing, so why has she been given the job. Just so one sided

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - D (3rd May 2015 - 21:34:16) I too was under the impression that the job should have been advertised. As always BLPC are a law unto themselves.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Ann (4th May 2015 - 14:46:06) If this is true it is absolutely awful. Of course if someone resigns the job has to be advertised externally. Having said that there is nothing to stop a member of staff within the organistion applying as well. This is the democratic way to proceed and more importantly can bring fresh people into a business or organisation. Leaving aside for the moment of the missing money and the reason for the job vacancy, I would have thought that the BLPC would have wanted to advertise the post externally so that matters would be crystal clear and above board. May be they are - let us hope so.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - stacey (4th May 2015 - 17:26:35) There is a job being advertised presently on the Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council website, now is your chance Ann!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Ann (5th May 2015 - 11:15:47) Stacey, I didn’t say I was interested in applying for the job as the new manager of the Millennium Hall, so your rather immature and juvenile taunt to me is irrelevant, but does beg the question as to why when posters actually call something to account someone inevitably has a “dig” at them, ie “why don’t you stand?”. Stacey’s post implies that just because I said a vacancy for a manager of the Millenium Hall should be externally advertised, I should therefore be interested in applying, ergo “now is your chance Ann”. I actually do have a full-time job which I love. Finally I would add that I feel the vacancy should not only be advertised on the parish web site but also in the more widely circulated Herald under “Situations Vacant”. This is where most people look for jobs.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - D (5th May 2015 - 13:26:31) The job advertised on the website is for an administrator - not the hall manager.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Val (5th May 2015 - 14:05:12) Is that post the same as the Hall Manager or is the Administrator in addition to the Hall Manager?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (5th May 2015 - 22:24:22) Mr Stanley's long friend has the managers job, or so she is telling everyone!!!! This job has to be advertised, if she gets the job, I believe it's nothing but a fix, she has no experience in this job!!!! So if she is given the job it proves Mr Stanley has not awarded the job to a person that can build on what Mr Gavin has already done, but to a long term friend!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (6th May 2015 - 09:47:10) The parish council website contains the following information regarding the staffing situation at the Millennium Centre. This should help explain that the role of Property and Grounds Manager is not being filled at the current time. LIPHOOK MILLENNIUM CENTRE STAFFING "The council wish to confirm that Mr Scott Gavin's last day of employment with the council was 15h April 2015 following the conclusion of his probationary period. The staff employed at the Millennium Centre are Mr Daniel Saunders, Caretaker and Mrs Karen Feeney. Mrs Feeney started work with the council on 4th March on a temporary contract to cover the LMC Officer role whilst Mrs Rosemary Lawrence is on maternity leave. Following the council meeting on 27th April, Mrs Feeney has been give additional hours so that she can cover all the day to day requirements of the centre on a temporary basis. All the staff are working hard with the continued support of councillors to ensure the Millennium Centre remains an asset to the community."

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (6th May 2015 - 10:28:56) If only people would look in the right place for the information rather than first demanding answers of people who do not know. It would stop a lot of this pointless and infantile mud-slinging which is not only groundless but being done simply to make the parish council appear to be 'baddies'. This sort of attitude - 'throw enough mud and some of it will stick' is so negative and harming to the village. People believe this crap. They want to believe it I think? - rather than find out what has gone on by either opening a web page, reading Council Minutes or actually asking the people concerned. If said mud-slinger had simply asked Ms Feeney; she would have told you straight away. Instead you use an individuals name, personally, and try to use her to put a bad light on the Parish Council?! It is sad. Very sad. It highlights your moral code and how much lower it is than it should be. Thank you Jane; for being the only councillor to regularly post here to correct the stupid rumours and deflect the mud before it sticks! I wish more councillors would be actively engaged on-line - I am sure it would make a difference when dealing with trolls like these (although I fear this is all one-in-the-same person).

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Cockatrice (6th May 2015 - 11:40:03) Am I the only person to note that most of the contributions on this thread and others from ‘Keven’ and ‘Steve’ or ‘Steve’ and ‘Keven’ (they seem to be interchangeable) appear to have been posted very late at night or in the early hours of the morning, no doubt after ‘closing time’ which may go some way to explain the almost incomprehensible grammar and execrable spelling.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (6th May 2015 - 13:31:57) If they feel like me this council are a bunch of w-----'s!!! The council think they are above the law!!! You think yourself cleaver about spelling ect, this is not about that it's about the council getting things Cocked up again!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Val (6th May 2015 - 14:14:17) Thank you Jane for your informative post. Could you just tell me: a) What does LMC stand for? b) Is the post of the vacancy for the Manager of the MIllenium Hall going to be advertised not only on the Parish Council Web Site but also perhaps in The Herald to give it wider coverage? c) Is Karen Feeney a personal friend of Mr Stanleys? I happen to think it is relevant. You have been very forthcoming on other matters and I appreciate this, but would really like answers to these very simple questions as I don't think the answers could be found on the PC Web Site in spite of Dawn Hoskins urging us to look there. Many thanks.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - anon (6th May 2015 - 14:35:57) I could think of no-one better than Karen Feeney to run the Hall. Not qualified?! Karen has devoted a lot of her time UNPAID to benefit our Village not to mention the charities who benefit from the Liphook Carnival that she organises every year! If anyone can un-sink the Titanic (The Millennium Hall), then Karen can. Liphook's name is being tarnished by a handful of trolls and this forum is giving the saddo's a platform to get their kicks. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Kat (6th May 2015 - 17:50:31) With the greatest of respect Dawn, the information about the staff in the Millennium hall only went on the Council website today or late yesterday. If something had been posted on 27th April, it would have been useful. And still nothing has been said about the amount of public money that has gone missing and what has been done about it. IMO that is not good.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (6th May 2015 - 19:59:27) Val, to answer your questions ... a) sorry, plain English does work best :) LMC stands for Liphook Millennium Centre b) the only vacancy currently being advertised is for an Administration Officer based at the Parish office. This is to make up the other half of a job share. c) I am not aware of any personal friendships and Karen was one of a number of applicants who applied and was interviewed by a panel. I hope this answers your questions.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - stacey (6th May 2015 - 20:19:50) Why should the notice have gone on the website on the 27th of april? I do not see the relevance of that particular date Kat ? I am sure that Karen will do a good job at the Hall regardless of all the trolling posts which have been on here previously, which must be upsettimg for her to see.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Val (7th May 2015 - 14:56:23) Thank you Jane. Just to be clear, is there going to be a replacement for the Millenium Hall Manager as well as Administration Officer based at the Parish office (currently being advertised) which you say is making the other half of a job share. In other words will there be a Millenium Hall Manager, an Administration Officer based at the Parish office (currently being advertised) to make up the other half of a job share plus another person already employed who will be job sharing with the new Administration Officer? It sounds complicated but I sure it isn't. It just comes down to how many people will be employed eventually at the Millenium Hall and their respective roles. I really appreciate your time with this but would like the situation clarified. With regard to Karen Feeney I do not know her personally, but I have heard very good reports of her tireless work in Liphook and wish her every success – I am sure she would be a great asset. However as this is taxpayers' money that is being spent these vacancies must be advertised fully and filled democratically. Once again thank you for your time and I hope you are able to answer hopefully my last questions.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (7th May 2015 - 17:45:26) Val, it does sound complicated but isn't really. Just to refer back to the official statement - "The staff employed at the Millennium Centre are Mr Daniel Saunders, Caretaker and Mrs Karen Feeney. Mrs Feeney started work with the council on the 4th March on a temporary contract to cover the LMC Officer role whilst Mrs Rosemary Lawrence is on maternity leave. Following the council meeting on 27th April, Mrs Feeney has been given additional hours so that she can cover all the day to day requirements of the centre on a temporary basis." So, whereas we had a Property and Grounds Manager, a LMC Officer and a Caretaker, we now have a LMC Officer and a Caretaker. Karen was employed on a temporary contract but her hours have been extended so she can carry out all the requirements needed at the Millennium Centre. The role of Property and Grounds Manager is not being advertised or filled at the present time. In simple terms, we have gone from 3 staff to 2. The Administration Officer post is based at the parish office with, as the job description states there may be cover required for holidays etc at the LMC. One half of this job share has been employed for some number of years so this is just to fill the other half. I hope this explanation helps but if you have further questions regarding these arrangements you do need to speak to the Executive Officer at the Parish office as he is responsible for employment related matters and I can only give my personal opinion. As has been posted elsewhere we have some new and exciting events coming to the Millennium Centre and I do hope you, and everyone else, will support them. If you have any ideas of events you'd like to see there then do please pop in and see the staff.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (8th May 2015 - 07:42:15) So is getting rid of Mr Gavin, a money saving thing it sounds like it, because you have to recover money paid out on Mr Groves and the exmanager!!! It sounds like it is to me!!!! You have even been talking of selling the haskell centre. Sounds like you councillors are trying to get money back in the pot without people asking to many questions

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - stacey (8th May 2015 - 10:47:53) Maybe if you attended some of the Millennium Hall meetings Rob you could tell the councillors in person that their cost saving ideas and profit making events are not in line with your personal thinking. The Hall is, I believe always open to volunteers to help them, as most entertainment venues have a pool of unpaid volunteers? do you have a particular skill to offer?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Val (8th May 2015 - 17:03:02) Thank you Jane. Is the post of the Millennium Hall Manager the same as the Property and Grounds Manager? If it is I will take it as read unless you post otherwise. The reason I ask is that it appears that the post of the Millennium Hall Manager which was filled by Gavin Scott is not to be advertised at the moment and nor is the post for the Property and Grounds Manager hence my assumption that they are one and the same. So for the present the complement of staff at the Millennium Hall comprises Mr Daniel Saunders as Caretaker and Mrs Karen Feeney. Mrs Feeney started work with the council on the 4th March on a temporary contract to cover the LMC Officer role whilst Mrs Rosemary Lawrence is on maternity leave and now has been given extra hours by the PC at a meeting on the 27 April to cover for Mrs Rosemary Lawrence presumably until she returns. I hope I have understood the staffing arrangements and the Hall correctly. Once again thank you and I do sincerely hope it all works out.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (8th May 2015 - 18:44:57) Person thinking have you seen how much money this council have waisted on Mr Groves and the exmanager so far around £150000 and they still got to pay Mr Groves the compensation. That's why there are cost cuttings!!!! Bad management by the council!!!!! There was an idea by a member of the millennium Hall staff, her job was to get people in!!! She said about a beer festival in the hall and the council throw it out!!!! Also there was a religious group that want the hall on a Sunday morning going to pay around £11000 a year once again the council threw this is out as well, it was all good income for the hall,and get the better known.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (8th May 2015 - 20:12:00) What on earth ar you talking about £150000 and compensation. What utter nonsense. The fact have been posted here numerous times with all the costings involved. If you can't be bothered to look it up why bother posting at all?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Jane Ives (8th May 2015 - 20:41:54) Rob, from the minutes of the meeting held in January 2015 is the following item: "THREE COUNTIES BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS FESTIVAL It was agreed that due to time constraints that this event should be postponed until later in the year or 2016 but that it should not be forgotten." Minutes in full here: bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/15th-january-2015/3984 And here, the minutes of the meeting in December 2014 which discussed the possible use by a local church bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/17th-december-2014-2/3888 Neither of these items were thrown out by the Committee as you will see once you've read the minutes. I think you will also find posted elsewhere on Talkback the details of the other costings to which you refer.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Daisy (8th May 2015 - 21:08:08) Goodness me - there must be a mole at the LMC to keep providing all this info. Or maybe the hall has been bugged! And I suppose all the asterixes denote the poster is shouting at us. Perhaps the council ought to advertise a new post of town crier!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - stacey (8th May 2015 - 23:16:13) I very much doubt it is a current employee of the Hall? I think they would have more common sense! The Millenium Hall Committee Meetings are open to all members of the public to attend. I imagine a Beer Festival would take a lot of man hours to organise, and need volunteers to help it make a profit for the Hall. I can think or other places eg the Farnham Malting which have Beer Festivals, they also have a pool of about 20 volunteers to help man these events, and they do it to help keep the venue going.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (8th May 2015 - 23:16:46) According to Rosemary that was doing the job, it was the council that threw it out!!!! The council or a member of the council wanted a band may contain nuts, but it had to be cancelled because you never sold one ticket!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - stacey (9th May 2015 - 01:22:53) Rob you seem to have such personal issues with somebody/ something at the Hall, everyone is just getting bored with such silly ranting. It does not seem to make any sense, complaining constantly with what seems to be a personal grudge on this website is pointless.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (9th May 2015 - 10:27:58) When a man has lost his job think it could be yr brother, husband ect reasons given I can prove and would go to court to prove 2 of them are not right!!!! I was the one that over heard the phone call when in the heritage centre that more money had gone missing!!! I was the contractor they accessed Mr Gavin giving me millennium Hall key to the building. Yes they were millennium Hall keys but to the allotments so I could install a new fence!!! I have confronted Mr Stanley with this Information with a secatary as a witness!!! He said he would look into it, but has done nothing !!! This is not right a man has lost his job when the facts were incorrect!!! I will go to court if Mr Gavin wants to go down that road!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (10th May 2015 - 19:21:56) It's good you have now told everyone else what you know!!! Some people just don't understand what's going on in this Liphook council!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - robbie (11th May 2015 - 10:29:50) still a personal grudge is it not? There are always two sides to an emplyment issue, I am sure that any ranting on here would not do a court case any good either. Perhaps your friend needs to contact a solicitor instead of you airing your grudges here.

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (13th May 2015 - 18:50:52) What\'s the council meeting on Friday all about????

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Audace (13th May 2015 - 20:22:27) This notice is posted on the Parish council Web Site complete with a full Agenda Annual Meeting Agenda – 15th May 2015 Annual Meeting 15th May 2015 Duh . . .

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Rob (15th May 2015 - 18:52:39) Is the so Robbie why did the council have to pay the ex manager Compensation and pay out so much money on Mr Groves, and they still have to Pay Mr Groves compensation So two sides, don't think so more like cock ups that has cost the Liphook people a lot of money!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - robbie (15th May 2015 - 22:14:37) I do think you have your facts wrong Rob, the previous amounts of money spent according to the reports on here seem to have been on HR specialists and legal expenses not compensation. Compensation for what? I can hardly understand what it is you are trying to say in relation to the current article in the newspaper, it relates to mismanagement by staff who have previously been working there and who are not now. I think people are thoroughly bored with the subject as you are going round and round saying not much at all!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (18th May 2015 - 16:16:59) Robbie can you not read???? The statement before yours said did not include Mr Groves compensation!!!! Which they still have to Pay!!!!! The lady exmanager has been paid compensation. This is were the amounts come from!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Robbie (18th May 2015 - 17:17:05) I think you are wrong that the council have paid anyone compensation. Just because someone posts on here does not make it a fact. It is purely your opinion that the council owe someone compensation. Compensation for what? I think if the council itself were involved in any court case, the press would have picked up on it? Where does information eminate from?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (18th May 2015 - 18:34:03) The Parish Council does not owe Mr Groves any compensation. Where on earth are you getting this rubbish from???

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Steve (22nd May 2015 - 21:17:16) Good question dawn

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Keven (23rd May 2015 - 16:33:59) Dawn they do, put a man though year of misery, court case after court case!!! The council said Mr Groves was guilty made his life hell for all those years, and not pay compensation, the council lost, cost us a lot of money, and DO HAVE TO PAY COMPENSATION!!!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Robbie (24th May 2015 - 00:51:21) Keven, this is nonsense. Think about it logically. It would have been reported in the papers, it has not been. It would have been heard in public in a courtroom somewhere. What was court case? where was the court case? Civil or Criminal proceedings? . If it was a criminal case, then the Police bring the case against an individual, not a body of people like a Parish Council. Judgements given in a court case are in public, and reported upon. If you could tell us please when this supposed court case was, it would give us a clue! Do you not think that the local papers would report upon it straight away? Use some logic Keven! Forget what you may have been told in the happy hour at the Green Dragon. Use some logic. Get a newspaper account of this supposed court case please that the Parish Council have brought.,

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (24th May 2015 - 12:23:36) I simply do not know what is being talked about here? I was a Councillor during the period when Mr Groves was dismissed for Gross Misconduct. This was after a solicitor and barrister told the Council that they had no choice but to employ professional individuals to investigate - then follow their advice (and not to be decision makers ourselves). The dismissal happened ONLY after two separate professionals undertook an investigation into the (then) current complaints - and later a disciplinary hearing. All in accordance with ACAS procedure. At every stage there is an appeal process - even at the very end, Mr Groves could have appealed the dismissal and requested an Employment Tribunal hearing. If he had done so, a judge would have read through and heard all the same evidence that the employment professionals did, and made a fresh decision based on these facts. (This are the files which I believe should be redacted and in public knowledge). There was NO appeal by Mr Groves, on the facts there could not have been a successful appeal at all. The Council has had nothing to do with Mr Groves from the moment he was dismissed. He did lots of bad things, was found guilty with overwhelming amounts of evidence supplied - and was dismissed. Since then he has not been employed in any shape or form - this has been the case for about 5 years. So, please solve this mystery.......what is it that the Parish Council could have done to a person they have had no dealings with for all this time?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Robin (24th May 2015 - 13:42:25) If Mr Groves has done bad things, what about Mr Stanley he should be sacked as well, I proved 2 things he put in his letter, in the sacking of Mr Gavin were incorrect, he said he would look into it but has done nothing about it!! He is also bullying members of staff, the way he has done it is against the law!!!!

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Robbie (24th May 2015 - 18:36:56) I do not know what your motivation is Robin for keeping this thread alive, but you keep repeating the same old things ad infinitum. If there is some kind of employment tribunal case to be had for the dismissed member of staff then you would make a good union rep for them being so persistent on here. Is this the proper forum for these accusations?

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Robin (24th May 2015 - 19:36:19) Raed stuff like dawn's s##t as Kevin said, I would be happy if you want to meet and talk about it, I'll bring the paperwork with me. Will change yr mind on this crap council ect

Re: Mr Stanley & councillors what are you scared of???? - Dawn Hoskins (25th May 2015 - 10:50:12) Robin / Robbie There is no link between Mr Groves and what he did to get himself sacked and then, 5 years later, someone not being taken on after their 'test' period. I understand that you are aggrieved at the way Mr Gavin has been treated, and I have tried to lay out exactly what Mr Gavin has to do in order to challenge the decision, I have even put up electronic links to the specific forms. Only Mr Gavin can challenge this and if he has grounds (you said there was illegality) then I am sure he will. I do not know the circumstances around Mr Gavins situation. You have said clearly that the Parish Council have acted illegally and if a Tribunal Case goes forward we can all find this out in the public hearing. It would be sad for the village if this occurs but if illegality has arisen, as you state, then it would be necessary. Please however, do not try to muddy the waters by asserting that the lengthy legal investigations into Mr Groves and the inevitable dismissal for Gross Misconduct is linked in any way to this. It is not. This was a very sad affair where a great number of people were damaged either mentally, physically or both - but it is over - 5 years over - and it is quite unfair and untrue to link these 2 individuals together.

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