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Local council should go
- David jones (22nd Jan 2015 - 19:15:36)

I was in the pub recently there were 2 members of the Liphook council running a member of staff down that works for the millennium Hall, it\'s was like they were planning his down fall. Since the new staff have started in the hall it\'s like a breath of fresh air, it\'s clean jobs are being done & there seams to be more people using the hall again. It\'s time all the Liphook council resign. All The talk about money being wasted, and what they were saying they wanted to do with this member of staff, we it\'s going to cost the Liphook tax payer thousands of more pounds, like the least 2 payouts they have lost in court. If this member of staff is got ride of, I will give him a letter for the courts to bring the 2 council members and justice done!!!!
David Jones

Re: Local council should go
- o (22nd Jan 2015 - 20:36:07)

well said dave its about time some of us stood up and be counted about this so called parish council ask yourself what have they done in the 4 years other then cost us money in payouts to ex staff more uneccery staff willows nursery i am not a tony groves fan but he ran the parish office and the hall groundstaff single handed i for one will be standing in may as i loveLIPHOOK if i do get voted in i will be asking what the clerk dose all day as he has more staff when as i said early we used to have one man who did it all i have now read the local rag and now see dawn has gone befor may

Re: Local council should go
- Maria (22nd Jan 2015 - 20:55:29)

The former clerk didn't run it single handedly, there was a deputy clerk plus an admin person.

Re: Local council should go
- ellei (22nd Jan 2015 - 22:23:47)

love the spelling "o" look forward to your election brochure!

Re: Local council should go
- David jones (22nd Jan 2015 - 23:37:46)

I have met Mr Groves once, he was painting the seating out side the millennium Hall a few years ago. If I remember correctly it was a Saturday his day off, but was doing for the love of Liphook. It seams to me if you stand up for what you believe in working for this so called council and it's not what they want, it the end of you. What I heard is constructed dismissal there is no other word for it. My girlfriend is in the hall for classes and says the person they are trying to stich up, is alway there working from 7.30am till late most days!!! Mr council men leave him alone to do his job, give him the money to make the millennium Hall great. AND DON'T WASTE ANY MORE OF OUR MONEY USE YOUR OWN PERSONAL MONEY TO DO YOUR DIRTY WORK!!!!!

Re: Local council should go
- Frances White (23rd Jan 2015 - 09:43:15)

I believe when Tony Groves was the Parish Clerk he had three admin people working with him. He worked five days per week whereas the current Clerk is, I believe, on a three day per week contract. Tony Groves obviously didn't run Liphook completely single-handedly.

Re: Local council should go
- r (23rd Jan 2015 - 17:59:25)

they are very lucky i didnt here them as i woud have named thm on here and round the village

Re: Local council should go
- Steve (28th Jan 2015 - 20:58:08)

Well said David!!!! wish you would name and shame these people. They deserve everything they get.

Re: Local council should go
- Geoff (28th Jan 2015 - 22:22:05)

We are glad to see that at last we have a manager at the millennium centre who is making an effort to get the place cleaned up and improved. He is certainly making an impression and trying to improve the hall for the benefit of the community. Well done!

Re: Local council should go
- anon (29th Jan 2015 - 09:43:53)

At the end of the day, the council is political... Greedy, corrupt, motivated by money and personal needs. Having any kind of power makes these people mad with power. They form god and messiah complexes and feel if they dont like something, or disagree with something, or even have a small tiff about something, they will change that for their personal gain.

I hope the man at the mill centre liphook doesn't lose his job. It'd be a step back in politics to "create jobs" just to sack the people spending blood sweat and tears because of a miss in these sociopaths personal preference. The words personal preference will pop up a lot. The thing is. Anyone paying tax, yet not lining their pockets are dispensable. "Ah its ok. Mr politician/councillor will say - "this person isn't a business owner or corporate giant, they can go. These people need to start valuing each and every life equally. Rather than only respecting those who fulfill their pedantic preferences, and those who can gain (said person) something.

We need people who genuinely give a toss about people. Someone compassionate, motivated to make huge change and selfless. Too many councillors and politicians are the exact opposite. Wolves wearing sheep's skin.

Re: Local council should go
- Frances White (29th Jan 2015 - 14:08:49)

I am really most surprised that the editor decided to publish a posting from anon which could be described as libellous.

For it to be libellous it would need to be aimed at a specific person, rather than the posters personal opinion of an organisation.

Re: Local council should go
- anon (29th Jan 2015 - 15:12:19)

freedom of speech is a right. I'm not targetting any individual. It's a pretty common fact that we are living with corruption. Example. Government recently payed out millions for our nuclear arsenal. While making cuts to the nhs, and selling it off bit by bit to private investors. Ie Lockheed martin. An American gun manufacturThis is being done very secretively, isent covered in main stream media, and we have our heads quickly turned to other problems which would outrage less. Why? Self gain for these people and the rich. I think we need an nhs more than another huge bill to pay for our livlihoods. I think that's a fairly big example of corruption. so sorry if my opineon offended you. but to call me liable for pointing out a prime problem in our inferstructure is just ludicrous. I have had my own problems with the council and politicians, and like many many others who have gotten fed up, have formed an opineon and voiced it. I haven't gone out to target any individual. I'm just voicing my opineon on the current system, and the organizations that run it. Much like any person would. Furthermore, I didn't say "this is exactly what's happening to this person, they are suffering at the hands of corruption", I was simply making a point of the original poster saying "it was as if they were planning his downfall" if I'm ever desperate to sue for some pocket money, I'll make sure to message you. America would be a great place for you to move to.

Re: Local council should go
- Frances White (29th Jan 2015 - 17:31:16)

I too endorse freedom of speech - however I believe it carries more weight and authority when posted, using a proper name and not 'anon'.

Re: Local council should go
- Steve (29th Jan 2015 - 18:33:00)

Going back to Anon’s original post it appears that the desired qualifications for our new parish council include:
Not power mad
No God or Messiah complex
Not in it for personal gain
Genuinely ‘give a toss’ about people
Compassionate
Motivated to make huge changes
Selfless.
Nothing there that any reasonable person could object to although I guess that the current crop of councillors could reasonably claim to match most if not all of these criteria. As a fairly disinterested observer I remain sceptical that our parish council is anything like as bad as it is regularly painted in this forum. Reading Dawn Hoskin's heartfelt plea for understanding it is very clear that the vast majority of local residents take little or no interest in the day to day work of our councillors and the few that do follow what goes on are only interested in the occasional ‘cause celebre’ such as the Willow Nursery or various planning applications over which the Parish Council has precious little influence in either direction.
In any event it is a cast iron certainty that whatever virtues are possessed by the incoming councillors (whoever they may be), within a year or so, there will be some other individual or small group of residents with a grievance who will be passionately arguing that all or some of these unfortunates who volunteer to give up much or their time for the wider benefit of the community are in fact in league with the devil. I am sure that Kat is composing the posts as we speak!


Re: Local council should go
- Anonymous (29th Jan 2015 - 18:56:54)

Regarding the last posting, I understand your point about full names, and obviously its preferable when possible, but please consider that there are some people who due to their role in the community or their job find it impossible to contribute their opinions unless using a pseudonym..

For example if a local teacher or youth leader wants to air a political opinion which is not connected to their role, it can create awkwardness with parents of children in the class/group who take issue with the opinion and come to express their disagreement on an inappropriate occasion in their place of work.

Ditto shop keepers, service providers, professionals and trades people and many others who might lose clients/customers if their personal views are made public.

Also a name is not a guarantee of true identity, anyone can make up a regular looking name and post using it, and no one would be any the wiser. Admitting to being anonymous is in a way more honest than using a false name.

Provided people are not being abusive or attacking, I would rather read a more lively thread with everyone feeling able to contribute using initials than just posts from a few individuals who are fortunate to be in a position to give their full name without potential repercussions.

Re: Local council should go
- anon (29th Jan 2015 - 19:24:04)

I don't want people to know who I am online. You don't know who is reading. Cheers. However I will be happy to organise to meet you, and further excersize my freedom of speech where you can't hide yourself behind the fact I wish to stay anonymous

Re: Local council should go
- tony (29th Jan 2015 - 20:19:26)

Frances, a comment may carry more weight if published with your own name, but also more risk in some cases. Really, in a free society it's necessary that people can post things anonymously, whistleblowers just one example, either way, it's a person's right. Exactly the thing dictators hate!

The Editor looked at the law and decided (reasonably in my opinion) that it wasn't libellous, so the fact it was anon is beside the point. At least anon was honest about it, half the names on here are probably fake!

PS tony is my real name... probably!

Re: Local council should go
- Really (30th Jan 2015 - 00:28:32)

Anon,
Your post is almost intelligent, but not quite. I am struggling to get the drift of what you are trying to convey apart from the fact that you are angry about,,,,,well, almost everything.
Please illucidate.

Re: Local council should go
- Keith (30th Jan 2015 - 08:51:07)

If anyone really feels the local council should go, then there is good news, there is an election on May 7th so less than 100 days away.

Put yourself up for election, and if you get in then you will have a chance to put right what you perceive the current council to be doing wrong.

But be warned that being a parish councilor involves long hours (unpaid), quite a lot of admin (unpaid), forgetting the notion that any time is your own as parishioners (in my view quite rightly), expect to be able to phone you, write to you or stop you in the street at any time of the night or day and voice their opinions to you and also sometimes expect you to have a magic wand to instantly solve the problem that is bugging them. Oh add to that occasional verbal, written or in very rare cases even physical abuse and that's probably a fair job description.

So if that sounds like a challenge you would enjoy, good luck on 7th May!

Re: Local council should go
- dave (26th Feb 2015 - 00:19:50)

any news on whats going on are there any names yet as in the two people chatting in he pub???

Re: Local council should go
- Tom Robinson (26th Feb 2015 - 12:19:58)

Put yourself up for election, and if you get in then you will have a chance to put right what you perceive the current council to be doing wrong.

But be warned that being a parish councilor involves long hours (unpaid), quite a lot of admin (unpaid), forgetting the notion that any time is your own as parishioners (in my view quite rightly), expect to be able to phone you, write to you or stop you in the street at any time of the night or day and voice their opinions to you and also sometimes expect you to have a magic wand to instantly solve the problem that is bugging them. Oh add to that occasional verbal, written or in very rare cases even physical abuse and that's probably a fair job description.


Well said Keith.

I too, urge those who believe they can do better to put themselves forward for election on May 7th. In the meantime, those Parish Councillors who have made a positive contribution to Bramshott & Liphook deserve praise rather than slating at every opportunity.

If you think you can do better in what appears to be a thankless job then go ahead, but stop the sniping until you have been in their position.

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