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Headley Road Parking
- Curly (23rd Sep 2014 - 08:27:18)

Why oh why do people not use their drives along the Headley rd, if the drives are full up, then they should/could find somewhere else to park.

Yes I live along Headley rd and trying to get in and out of drives when traffic builds up is getting awkward.

Perhaps double yellow lines are the answer.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Miss (23rd Sep 2014 - 09:33:17)

As long as there are no parking restraints and the car displays a valid tax, then they can park where ever they like as long as they're not blocking access or pedestrians. It might be annoying to you, but just leave home a little earlier to deal with such issues. To be honest, it's not that bad, it could be much worse.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- James (23rd Sep 2014 - 09:54:10)

The parked cars do have the huge benefit of calming the traffic.

Why do people want to live in a Village(Town) where the cars and lorries hurtle through the middle non-stop?


Re: Headley Road Parking
- B (23rd Sep 2014 - 16:22:54)

I agree... the parking is not an issue... its the driving. Speed bumps are needed more than double yellow lines.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Tina (23rd Sep 2014 - 20:55:44)

Don't get me started on parking, I sympathise with you. I live along the Portsmouth Road and have done for the last ten plus years and until about a year ago nobody parked on the road but now it's a joke. From about 6 in the morning till 8pm I have the pleasure of having the station car park outside my house. It doesn't slow traffic down as you would hope, we just have even more speeding as cars try to get past all the cars before something comes up from the Liss direction. And then we have road rage, horns being blasted, wing mirrors being damaged. My problem is trying to access my driveway safely, as the vision is now non existent,and the stares and abuse myself and neighbours get as if it's our fault that we have to edge out so we don't get killed, but as long as it saves the commuters £3 a day, then who cares. I have been in constant contact with Parish council, HCC and the police. The police can not believe what they are witnessing such as speeding , texting ,talking on mobiles all while trying to go out round the parked cars, but they are short staffed so are unable to be in Liphook a lot. It's about time we saw some action in this village with regards to traffic calming and parking issues, we appear to be the poor relation compared to other local villages who seem to have lots of measures in place. We are unfortunate that we seem to have so much traffic travelling through, or using the station here. I am sure if I went and parked outside someone's house all day in Passfield or Bramshott they wouldn't be happy but they are more than happy to do it to others I have spoken to many of these commuters but they still keep coming back. I have to pay to park where I work , you have to factor costs into the jobs you take, or live somewhere where you can walk to the station if you need a train. Even the emergency services struggled to get through this morning. It's about time people showed a bit more respect for others, even if you don't live in the village. I shall keep on emailing the authorities until something is done. And before we have another comment about people can park where they like, I understand that but it's about being thoughtful to others.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Woo (24th Sep 2014 - 07:59:37)

I totally agree with Tina - cars never used to park on the Portsmouth Road but since the Liphook bypass was completed it has become a car park - hope something gets sorted - double yellow lines would be the answer or no parking between certain hours.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Faith (25th Sep 2014 - 09:25:53)

I live on the Headley Road and it is I and my neighbours who sometimes park on the road. Note some of the house don't have drives and have no other choice but to park there (there is no where else to park!). In fact, for us it's a pain in the backside when people who don't live there park there. And yeah it does slow the traffic down which is a positive.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Miss Anonymous (25th Sep 2014 - 13:06:12)

I don't blame the train commuters for parking where they do. They spend thousands on train tickets every year and paying for parking every single day is a huge expense. I live in Liphook so I walk, but those say from Bordon have to drive and paying for parking every single day is a huge expense, not to mention the fuel expense. At the end of the day, even if they are parking on streets causing slight inconvenience to the residents, at least they are working hard all day earning a wage a contributing to this country and paying for the benefits of those who are staying at home all day who have nothing better to do than moan about parking!!!!

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Helen (25th Sep 2014 - 16:14:56)

May be Miss Anonymous you are luck to live where your road does not get used as a car park. These people chose to work where they do and catch a train so they should use the car park provided and not outside some ones house. And maybe those who have nothing better to do all day but sit and moan and put comments on here actually do also work for a living!!!

Re: Headley Road Parking
- L (25th Sep 2014 - 17:18:02)

If you choose to live near a station then you should expect people to park outside your house. Also, have you never parked outside someone's property? Ever? As mentioned previously they're not blocking or causing harm, so they are entitled to park where they like. You chose to live there, close to a station.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Helen (25th Sep 2014 - 17:54:44)

L
Yes I live near the station, and have done for over 20 years. My road is an access only road for residential use and deliveries. It is not a car park for those who choose to use as so. And no I have not parked outside some ones house because I don't like done outside mine. How would you like done to you every day. Some people leave their cars here for 2 or 3 days. A lot of the residents don't have drive ways on this road for off street parking either!!!!!!. This has only been a problem since the village has grown and I fear its only going to get worse.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Ian (25th Sep 2014 - 19:00:55)

Quite simply, if there are no parking restrictions in place and no laws are being broken then car owners can park wherever they like! End of story. Homeowners do not own parking rights for the road outside their property and yes it may be inconvenient if you cannot park directly outside you house but if no laws have been broken, no parking restrictions have been breached, tough! And yes I live in a house with no drive and I like to park outside my house and yes it irritates me when I can't, BUT I accept other road users have the right to park where they are entitled to.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- stacey (27th Sep 2014 - 16:01:54)

I think that where cars are parked there, a lorry coming at you one way and possible cars you cannot see exiting from station Rd it contributes to being a dangerous place to drive! It is a bit insensitive to say do not live there, some people cannot afford to move, or do not want to be forced to move from a place just because selfish people want to use the road as a car park for the station. Also when some of the houses along the portsmouth Road snd Headley Road were built , cars had not been invented, that is why they were built without garages!


Re: Headley Road Parking
- Not me gov (28th Sep 2014 - 00:53:09)

Some years ago, a resident of a nearby village had a problem with people parking outside his premises, thus obstructing access for himself or others wishing to visit. Somebody, I know not whom, stuck newspaper pages on the car windscreens with (waterbased) glue.
They actually stopped parking there.
Such guerrilla tactics should not be encouraged in Portsmouth Rd, of course, but, if I lived there I might be tempted to look for a lateral solution

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Rachael (28th Sep 2014 - 09:55:51)

Shocking to see anyone advocating vandalism no matter how annoying the parked cars are. These drivers are NOT breaking any laws! The correct course of action will be to contact the local authority and highways and formally put your concerns to them and if required they will instigate measures including yellow lines or other restrictions. The police will take a very dim view of anyone who tampers with someone else's cars

Re: Headley Road Parking
- marian c (29th Sep 2014 - 06:52:00)

As a homeowner living on Portsmouth Road I agree with Tina. It's not that we mind a few people parking but when you cannot safely exit your drive because high sided vehicles are completely obliterating your view it becomes a safety issue. I have experienced abuse from other road users who are accelerating to get past the eight cars parked and then angry with me when they want to pull in outside my drive to get out of the way of oncoming traffic, only to find me there trying to get out. I have had to pay £200 for wing mirrors in the past six months because cars again not leaving enough room to pass the parked cars safely. I absolutely agree that cars can park where they like but like Tina now feel I need to lobby the council to put some sort of measure in place to avoid an accident. All we are asking is for a bit of consideration. And I feel that if drivers were regularly finding eight car long parking either side of their driveways, on Headley Road there would be more complaints.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Jan (29th Sep 2014 - 10:15:50)

One tends to hear the same gripes about 'people parking their cars in front of homes from those living close to a school., I can sympathise to a degree with their annoyance, as SOME people do block drives whilst they drop off or collect their child/ren from school, however, I have to agree with Ian on the Headley Road issue. As long as a vehicle, any vehicle, is legally on the road, and does not breach any parking restrictions, they can leave their car where they like and, yes, no owner, or renter, has the right to the space in front of their house on a public highway. If someone wants to go on holiday for 2 weeks and leave their car in front of your house, they can.
If a homeowner doesn't like it, and the Police/highways agency do not agree that, for safety reasons, based usually on an increase in reported road traffic incidents, to impose any new parking restrictions, the homeowner has 2 choices. 1) park your, legally entitled, own car in front of your house so that no-one else can. 2) move. That's the simple truth of it.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Annoyed! (29th Sep 2014 - 10:55:28)

Why oh why do the lazy customers of Co Op still insist on parking in Tower Road - this combined with the dog walking van who doesn't park where they live opposite the vets is an absolute nightmare.

Only to be compounded by mothers dropping their children off at peak times - hopefully Liphook will become like Haslemere and be yellow lined!!!!

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Heather (29th Sep 2014 - 12:53:35)

Probably because the car park is full of school run parents twice a day so customers cannot get into the car park !

Re: Headley Road Parking
- The Original Jay W (30th Sep 2014 - 11:44:41)

Dear Annoyed!

I think you might find there is more than one dog walker's van and the owners don't all live in Headley Road - I've certainly seen other people driving them. In any event - exactly where in Headley Road should the van be parked as the properties don't have driveways? Maybe further down the Headley Road where the other cars are parked would suit you better? Clearly it wouldn't suit other contributors to this thread.

I wouldn't have thought that the customers of the Co-op parking in Tower Road were lazy - they do have further to walk after all. Co-op car park is often full with dumped vehicles at the front where they are not supposed to park badly parked vehicles at the back and delivery lorries.

I don't mind where they park as long as it's legal (too close to a junction is NOT legal) and safe. In my humble opinion it is safer to park in Tower Road and has less effect on Headley Road traffic than trying to reverse from the Co-op into the Headley Road scattering pedestrians in your hurry to do so.

Fact is, there is not enough parking (for trades or homes) and the cars have got to go somewhere. Would love to see a traffic warden giving out tickets for illegal parking - that would help traffic flow and safety.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Fred Splinge (30th Sep 2014 - 12:11:38)

Well said The Original Jay.completely agree.

Fred

Re: Headley Road Parking
- jo herridge (1st Oct 2014 - 08:25:50)

I spent 4 years at Portsmouth Uni and drove most days. However, on a odd occasion I would get the train. On the first time that I had I parked in a road near the station. I made sure I was not obstructing any driveway, nor on yellow lines, there were no signs to say that I couldn't park.

When I returned I had a note on my car telling me not to park there again as it was residents parking only. I was not happy that someone would do that when I had not done anything wrong.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Janet A (1st Oct 2014 - 08:44:05)

Sadly, I think perhaps it's time for some yellow lines along the first 30 metres or so of Tower Road, from the junction with Headley Road.

At peak times, there are always vehicles parked far too close to the junction. Many times I have been turning left into Tower Road from Headley Road and have immediately encountered a parked vehicle completely blocking the left side of the road.

It's impossible, from that angle, to see whether anything is coming towards you.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- joc (1st Oct 2014 - 10:50:44)

Would parking on the north bound lane of the Portsmouth road, facing towards the village, solve the problem? If you have a passenger you could drop them at the station prior to parking.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Janet A (1st Oct 2014 - 19:25:44)

@Jo Herridge

The person who put that note on your car was exercising nothing more than wishful thinking! Unless on a privately-owned road, home owners have no more right to park in the road in front of their houses than any other person does.

My understanding is that if it's a public road and there are no parking restrictions in place, then anyone can park there, for as long as they wish to - providing they are not causing an obstruction or they haven't simply abandoned the car there with no intention of returning.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Faye (2nd Oct 2014 - 07:58:06)

Parking is such a problem in Liphook these days and the council really need to address it. It's all very well building new houses but the population of Liphook is obviously increasing and there appears to be nothing in place to accommodate this issue. I am a train commuter and park at the station car park every day through I'd rather not but I've noticed even the car park is close to reaching it's maximum capacity and if or when it does, then what are we going to do? Block up the residential streets further, of course.

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Dawn Hoskins (2nd Oct 2014 - 12:46:48)

When you say 'Council' I think you mean our local Traffic Authority. for link click below. you can contact them directly on the site, go to see them or phone them.

www3.hants.gov.uk/trafficmanagement.htm

This is split between Hampshire County Council Highways and the Government Highways Agency and investigated by either the County Councils Traffic Management Group or the local District Council’s Traffic Team, depending where the problem is located

As a Highway Authority, Hampshire County Council has a duty to manage the road network. These measures are provided in accordance with the policy:

on-street parking controls
speed limits
lorry controls
direction signing
traffic calming
pedestrian crossings

The Hampshire Local Transport Plan [click below] sets out the policies

www3.hants.gov.uk/transport/local-transport-plan.htm

Traffic offences are dealt with by the Police, including speeding & obstruction and civil enforcement officers where Traffic Regulation Orders have been granted.

Most traffic regulation orders come about as a result of input from local communities and the police, to address specific traffic congestion or quality of life issues. There is no reason why a group of Station Road/Headley Road Residents couldn't do this although there are advertising and legal fees to consider.

If you are so upset that you would like a Traffic Regulation Order, a statutory procedure to be followed. This includes:

Consultation - Following the completion of the design

Advertisement of the TRO. For at least 21 days from the start of the notice the proposal can be viewed at a nominated council office during normal office hours.

Objections to be received and considered by the Executive Member for Economy, Transport and Environment in the light of the local County Councillor’s views.

Making the Order - The TRO can then be formally sealed providing all standing objections have been considered.

For your interest, here is the paper on Guidance to local authorities for the Part 6 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 (TMA) in relation to the civil enforcement of parking controls.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/operational-guidance-to-local-authorities-parking-policy-and-enforcement

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Col (2nd Oct 2014 - 22:55:40)

Tina & MC I totally agree with your views. Haslemere in recent years has also had the same issue with commuters parking down Weydown and Derby Road. To alleviate the issue the council/traffic authority placed parking restrictions to ensure only permit holders parked down the road, or visitors had a number of free hours parking. Why couldn't this be done to solve the problem? With the prospect of more housing in Liphook surely we don't want to slow the flow of traffic by allowing cars to park down the road at peak times?

Re: Headley Road Parking
- J (5th Oct 2014 - 13:18:34)

Get together everybody in whatever stretch of road is being used as a regular parking area for out-of-village people, for the station or whatever.

All of you, get up at 7 am for a week and move your own car outside in the spaces normally occupied by commuters. Leave your car there, with wing mirrors folded in, until 10.am

Solidarity should sort the problem. Have backbone, people!

Re: Headley Road Parking
- Ian (5th Oct 2014 - 14:34:47)

Sort of ironic that at the time I contributed to this thread it is posted just above one titled " kindness in Liphook"

Re: Headley Road Parking
- JG (6th Oct 2014 - 14:37:01)

Even kind people have a breaking point!

Re: Headley Road Parking
- ROAD TRAFFIC ACT (7th Oct 2014 - 13:57:26)

I do not think the authorities will do anything until 1 or 2 people are injured!!! Which I know it should not have to come to that – and those blocking peoples view making it dangerous for residents to enter or leave their drives should think about their actions and if they do park where they do ‘am I putting someone in danger by parking here’

Also people should look at what the Highway Code states which all road users should abide by! Just because there are no signs or yellow lines doesn’t mean you can park! See below:-

Link - www.gov.uk/waiting-and-parking/...

242
You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.
Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103

243
DO NOT stop or park:
• opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
• where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users and powered mobility vehicles
• in front of an entrance to a property
• on a bend

244
You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15

If you use the roads you should know your Highway Code not just what you want to know! I have spoken to the police and they have stated that if some one is blocking a private drive or not abiding by the highway code then to contact them and they can deal with that road user by way of a warning for a first offence or a penalty fine for serial offenders!

Re: Headley Road Parking
- James (8th Oct 2014 - 11:33:05)

So which rules exactly do you think the cars parked on Headley Road are breaking?


Re: Headley Road Parking
- Dav (8th Oct 2014 - 12:26:56)

Short answer is none. I live on Headley Road and would rather have the few parked cars that are there than move them on. As it is a lot of people drive far too fast on that road, once they reach those cars they have no choice but to slow down

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