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Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- Roger Cooper (15th Sep 2014 - 12:18:38)

SUCCESS!

FFF is delighted that the SDNPA planning committee have turned down Celtique Energie's application for exploratory drilling at Nine Acre Copse.

In rejecting this application they have not only taken the advice of their own planning officer and accepted the government's own confirmation that such development should only take place in a national park in exceptional circumstances but also listened to the over five and a half thousand people who have objected to this proposal (as opposed to the eleven who have expressed support of it). Clearly a national park is not the right place for a large-scale “industrial experiment” (Andrew Tyrie MP), and we are relieved to see that the SDNPA have upheld their objectives to protect the national park and the community within it.

Right up until the last minute Celtique demonstrated their lack of respect for our community with their continued attempts to mislead both the public and the planning authorities with disingenuous and incorrect statements and material.

We would like to thank all the organisations and individuals who have tirelessly campaigned for and contributed to our campaign – from Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, the National Trust, the Woodland Trust, RSPB, CPRE, the South Downs Society to those who visit and love the national park and of course the residents of Fernhurst, Lynchmere and the surrounding area.

One thing that the last 16 months have shown is that we live in a community which is willing to work together and support each other when faced with a crisis. We hope that our village can now return to being the peaceful and happy place that it was before we faced this unwelcome and inappropriate threat.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- bdavies (15th Sep 2014 - 14:00:23)

Just need to be careful now that the Celtique bandwagon doesn't move on to another location near us.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- Phill (16th Sep 2014 - 21:36:31)

Great news indeed and congratulations to everyone who has contributed. There are many places earmarked without the 'protection' of National Park status....we should show a united front and lend our support where we can.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- For Frack Sake (17th Sep 2014 - 00:14:46)

Phill,
You really think that fracking is so bad? I think it is inappropriate in some areas, but you suggest that you would lend your support to objecting where-ever.
Would you prefer to be dependent on a not particularly friendly foreign power to provide the means of energy for our children and grandchildren?
Technology will get smarter (it always does), so open your mind to the possibility that it could be a pretty good answer to our energy requirements without having to depend on others

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- liz (17th Sep 2014 - 11:26:00)

For Frack Sake

Even if we do have fracking in the UK it will not provide fuel for your grandchildren - it will be short lived and not another North Sea. Future generations will certainly not thank us for ruining their landscape.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- James (17th Sep 2014 - 11:50:48)

The British Geological Society estimate 1,300 trillion cubic feet of gas in the North of England basin alone.

Currently the UK consumes three trillion cubic feet of gas each year.

1300 / 3 is 433 years worth, in one basin.

With currently technology and planning objections we could only extract 10% of this which is 43 years from the North of England, so if you add the Southern reserves and seas reserves, and consider that mining technology will improve on 40 years, it is in fact highly likely that ones grandchildren could burn gas from UK fracking.

BBC - UK shale gas resources greater than thought


Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- F F S (17th Sep 2014 - 11:51:08)

Liz,

I understand the concerns you express about impact on the landscape, but well-heads, once established, are fairly modest in size. Certainly less obtrusive than many other modern rural installations I have seen

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- James (17th Sep 2014 - 12:00:59)

Yes, I am sure the residents of Fernhurst would welcome a wind farm or solar array with open arms.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- Alan (17th Sep 2014 - 12:35:42)

Hi James

Interesting as in 2011 our Government said

24. We conclude that shale gas resources in the UK could be considerable. However, while they could be sufficient to help the UK increase its security of supply, it is unlikely shale gas will be a "game changer" in the UK to the same extent as it has been in the US.

From Shale Gas - Energy and Climate Change Committee


It also stated

The BGS estimated that—by analogy with similar producing shales in the US—the UK's shale gas reserve potential could be as large as 150 bcm [billion cubic metres]. This is very large compared with the 2-6 bcm estimate of undiscovered onshore conventional petroleum.

In 2009 the UK total demand for natural gas was approximately 1,000,000 GWh [giga/billion Watt-hours] of energy. This was equivalent to approximately 100 bcm. So the UK shale gas reserve potential was equivalent to approximately 1.5 years of the UK's current gas consumption.

SUPPLY = 150bcm = 5,295b cubic feet = 5.3 trillion cubic feet
DEMAND = 100bcm = 3,531b cubic feet = 3.5 trillion cubic feet


So a massive change in figures from 5.3 to 1,300 trillion cubic feet, assuming everyone has done their conversions correctly !

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- James (17th Sep 2014 - 13:12:15)

Interesting that our governments Committee on Climate Change down played the amount of fossil fuels available?
Not really - you would hardly expect a climate change committee to be promoting burning hydrocarbons.

The BGS surveys were published in 2013 - 2014 (2 years after the Committee on Climate Change report ) and found much greater reserves than expected.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- liz (17th Sep 2014 - 16:45:25)

FFS

The problem is not established well heads, it is drilling rig density, access and removal of hydrocarbons. It is just not a case of drilling a well and producing an output for the next 20 years or so - you have to keep drilling new ones across the area.

Plus all the sand and water you need, together with the risk of polluting the underground aquifers which we rely on in this area. Low risk I admit - but you only have to do it once......

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- tony (17th Sep 2014 - 19:10:40)

Well done Fernhurst. I understand they could still appeal to government, but as even the pro fracking government have come out strongly against fracking in our protected national parks, the odds are now against them.

National Park status really does count for something after all, everyone but the greedy oil barons get it. Go stick your fracking mines somewhere else, I'm glad because I love this area.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- Roger C (19th Sep 2014 - 15:01:50)

Here's a thought. Wouldn't the withdrawal of the Army from hundreds, possibly thousands, of acres of land nearby, land already owned by the government, give the frackers plenty of opportunity to do their explorations in land more easily acquired than a recently formed National Park?

This land is generally directly accessible from the A3 and has designation to exclude public access.

Obviously the environmental concerns are still there but this could get things off to a better start in our quest for more hydrocarbon reserves.

Just a thought.....

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Decision
- A. Ryan (19th Sep 2014 - 15:40:09)

Thanks Roger C !! This was good news, let's not give them any more ideas.
Fracking is not wanted.

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